Re: 50 Greatest Movies of All Time...
Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 2:19 pm
Interesting topic.
And to those who always complain how they didn't understand the last part: it is very simple. Interpretation is not difficult, what is difficult is representing very abstract ideas with images, and that's what Kubrick was doing here.
If I had to reccomend something to average viewer, it would probably be Bunuel's films. They're masterpieces, and unlike Tarkovsky's or Kieslowsky's works, they are very easy to watch, entertaining, and not neccesarily challenging.
Also if I don't find Buster Keaton later on, I'm gonna be mad.
I don't think it would make top 50 purely cinematically, but the whole concept is so distressing and after all these decades, it's still one of the most shocking films ever made (shoulder to shoulder with The Kid Brother), which is quite the achievement.
All in all it's not a bad list. There's no way to make such a list properly, and if I made one, I'd probably throw it away the next day. It's not bad and doesn't have many of those populistic choices that you'd expect from such lists, like Evil Dead or Rocky Horror or whatever film was showing in theatres last week. Still, it's a miss that there's no Tarkoksky, Woody Allen, Kierslowsky, Wajda, Forman, Jarmush...
300 may be historically accurate and all, but it's one od damn ugliest films I saw. The sheer ugliness and fakeness of cinematography makes me never want to spend hour and a half looking at it.
Ghost World is a good movie. As far as unconformism and alienation go, I've seen films that spoke better to, me, but it's good. Spirited Away is wonderful film, I guess it's be a matter of personal preference whether to include it before some of many other wonderful animated films.
Fair enough. Each person probably has his own top 1, and there are hundreds of movies that most rightfully deserve the place. Seventh Samurai is definitely one of them, even though my top 1 is, as always, "Stalker" by Andrei Tarkovsky, for it's unique mix of solemnity, depth, attention to detail, mise-en-scene dynamics and generally visual stunningness.1. Seven Samurai
It's a very important and very good film, a milestone that spawned an entire new approach to filmmaking, probably an inspiration to every later lo-fi director.2. Breathless
Another well-deserved entry, probably the most psychologically complex film of Hithcock's. It's too bad that people often watch it as a simple thriller and neglect to thing a bit deeper about main character's real mothivations.3. Vertigo
I never thought that this film was as good as it was important. It was certainly the first film that consciously featured mise-en-scene aestethics, and it was very difficult road to follow before invention of wide-screen formats, but I didn't actually enjoy it that much.4. Citizen Kane
Haven't seen. I haven't watched Renoir that much.5. The Rules of The Game
It's a masterpiece undoubtly, for it's depth and for iconography it formed. Bergman surely made even better films than this, but this one formed iconography that is now a part of public consciousness.6. The Seventh Seal
It's a very challenging film, but then, does that make a film bad? No, in fact, I think it makes it better, because watching it, and understanding it is a great challenge and I seriously think that you get out of that experience as a better person. Hell it's a film that starts with prehistoric monkey-man, furthers into space-age, and ends up with an impressionistic view of higher evolution states. Such wide panoramic view of humanity has never been presented before or after that.7. 2001: A Space Odyssey
And to those who always complain how they didn't understand the last part: it is very simple. Interpretation is not difficult, what is difficult is representing very abstract ideas with images, and that's what Kubrick was doing here.
While Casablanca is a good movie, I don't think that it's that good. The film is a sort of symbol for film noir, and film noir is a genre closely related to a part of USA's history (post-war time marked by distrust in government and generally disilussion with heroic ideal), so I think that Casablanca, like the whole genre, doesn't affect us non-American people that much, and perhaps doesn't stand that good on it's own - without the political context.8. Casablanca
I never saw why this film was considered so great. I can name dozens of Truffault's films that are better and more striking. The very last scene was really the only part that moved me, though it does sublime the whole theme of the film.9. The 400 Blows
Well it's a great piece of film, though I always found it unpleasantly overly-dramatic. I think that Amarcord is far better.10. La Strada
Another great film that is neglected too often. Proof that really good films don't age.11. M
Bunuel is one of my favourite directors, and this is probably his best film. Noone has ever represented dreams in art more accurately.12. The Discreet Charm of the Bourgeoisie
If I had to reccomend something to average viewer, it would probably be Bunuel's films. They're masterpieces, and unlike Tarkovsky's or Kieslowsky's works, they are very easy to watch, entertaining, and not neccesarily challenging.
I don't like Godfather films. Glamourizing violence aside, I always found it irritating that they presented mafia as some kind of romantic, tragic heroes, while being very critical of others, like police or show business. While I know of all mafia-related difficulties of making the film, I think that they didn't have guts to go all the way, so they shouldn't have bothered at all.13. The Godfather Part II
Very good film, very subtly grotesque, which is the thing I like the most about Polanski. I don't think it's top 50 though.14. Chinatown
Another great film, but I think that Chaplin's importance overgrows quality of any of his particular films, so these films are usually included to honor Chaplin more than anything else.15. The Great Dictator
Also if I don't find Buster Keaton later on, I'm gonna be mad.
I never liked Scorsese very much. I'll give that he's an excellent director, but most of his films exist in a macho universe, and I don't like macho bs very much. Though some will claim that because of psychological undercurrent, he is more like deconstructing macho bs, but I don't agree.16. Raging Bull
That film is crap. All Spielberg's films are typical blockbuster lightheaded entertainment, and his "artsy" films are very well the same, only on different topic.17. Schindler's List
Ehh, it's a good film, I guess. Read 8.18. The Third Man
Well that's a good film. There are Peckinpah's films I like more, but Wild Bunch is definitely the most unrestrained orgy of stylish violence I've seen.19. The Wild Bunch
I hate this film. Acting is really bad, too theatrical and overly dramatic. Story is biting much more than Paddy Chayevsky could chew, and there's an overall feeling that the film is made around one banal incident and then shoving ideas as afterthoughts to push the length to hour and a half. And it isn't predicting future of media, all those tendencies existed back in those days too.20. Network
Ford isn't my favourite because I never liked that romantic-conservative (also macho bs) mythology that he stuck by. I'll rather have High Noon in this place.21. The Searchers
I haven't seen it. Many say it's too sentimental, so I probably wouldn't prefere it to Los Olividados.22. Bicycle Thieves
Now seriously. This is a kiddie movie. Good kiddie movie, but still a kiddie movie. It's only appreciated as much as it is because people who watched it as kids are grownups now, and are sentimental about their childhood.23. The Empire Strikes Back
Man I should watch that soon.24. Nosferatu
Oh yeah, that's an excellent film, and not very well known, which lifts this list for several points in my eyes.25. Aguirre, the Wrath of God
Another one I should watch.26. Throne of Blood
Excellent film. Lynch was always a master in scaring me without ever showing anything scary. You know how in horror films you are scared all until you actually see the monster, which breaks your illusion because the monster is never as scary as you expected. Well Blue Velvet is a rare exception where monster is much more scary than you expected.27. Blue Velvet
Huraah! Brasil is wonderful film, unique visual experience; It's not just a bureaucratic, totalitarian world. It's the most lunatic bureaucratic, totalitarian world you've ever seen, and it's all thanks to Gilliam's directing skills.28. Brazil
Also great, the ultimate anti-war film.29. Apocalypse Now
I think that it well deserves to be on this list, after all it's one of the most influential films of the 90ies. But also it's the best meta-film I saw, in that it's a film about films, about film iconography and myths, and consequently about culture that spawned it.30. Pulp Fiction
This is another well-deserved entry. An epic if there ever was one. You could watch the film as purely visual/sound experience, and it would never let you go for whole three hours.31. Once Upon A Time In America
I don't think that this is a great movie, or very influential for that matter.32. The Road Warrior
Wonderful. Another great and deep Bunuel's film, probably a good conterpart to "Discrete charm", because if first one is the most dream-like, this one is the most political, and those were two sides of Bunuel's art.33. Viridiana
I haven't seen this.34. The Battle of Algiers
Hitchcock made serious psychological films, and then he also made simpleminded fun films. I think that this one falls into the second category so I'd rather see Rear Window, Birds or Rope in this place. For instance, psychological background of this film is much more clear-cut and has no complexity of his other films. But I do appreciate how he plays around with viewer's expectations.35. Psycho
Great film.36. Metropolis
I haven't seen it, actually.37. Dawn of the Dead (1978)
I haven't seen it. I've seen many other Godard's though, I like many of them. Weekend is by far the most striking.38. Pierrot le fou
Um... brrr.39. Freaks
I don't think it would make top 50 purely cinematically, but the whole concept is so distressing and after all these decades, it's still one of the most shocking films ever made (shoulder to shoulder with The Kid Brother), which is quite the achievement.
I think that this is a very weak early Kubrick. That this is put in front of Clockwork Orange, Dr Strangelove or Lolita, is a shame.40. Paths of Glory
I haven't seen these. They're probably good.41. Women In The Dune
42. Fires On The Plain
I don't see a logic in including this instead of original Alien. Not that I would include original Alien, but it was better.43. Aliens
I should see more Argento. Man, first several minutes of "Standhal's syndrome" are really powerful.44. Suspirira
More Kurosawa.45. Ran
Another film that is more important than good. I don't think it's good at all, bad attempts at copying Godard with a very stereotypical story, but it's very influential film, still.46. Sweet Sweetback Badasssss Song
There's too many huge directors I am not very much acquitanced with.47. Le Samourai
Haven't seen.48. There Will Be Blood
Now really... it's a wonderful film, but does anyone really think it's that good?49. Ed Wood
It's not that good thing... but perhaps it should be included because it's a sort of ultimate "style over content" movie, a film that is good despite having almost no content.50. Assault On Precinct 13 (1976)
All in all it's not a bad list. There's no way to make such a list properly, and if I made one, I'd probably throw it away the next day. It's not bad and doesn't have many of those populistic choices that you'd expect from such lists, like Evil Dead or Rocky Horror or whatever film was showing in theatres last week. Still, it's a miss that there's no Tarkoksky, Woody Allen, Kierslowsky, Wajda, Forman, Jarmush...
300 may be historically accurate and all, but it's one od damn ugliest films I saw. The sheer ugliness and fakeness of cinematography makes me never want to spend hour and a half looking at it.
Ghost World is a good movie. As far as unconformism and alienation go, I've seen films that spoke better to, me, but it's good. Spirited Away is wonderful film, I guess it's be a matter of personal preference whether to include it before some of many other wonderful animated films.