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I think Superbad is somewhat of an exception to this PC teen comedy kinda thing. I mean, yes, the characters changed, but I don't think they got hit with the Serious Business epiphany. I mean, Fogle didn't really change much at all, and Evan didn't need some kind of epiphany to make the decision he did at the end of the movie or anything. Perhaps Seth learned something along these lines, but the movie was too open-ended to really tell.

Also: Someone must now make a movie featuring both Heart and cum-guzzling, just to prove McDuffies wrong. IT CAN BE DONE

Jesusabdullah wrote:Also: Someone must now make a movie featuring both Heart and cum-guzzling, just to prove McDuffies wrong. IT CAN BE DONE

All you'd have to do is make my comic into a movie.

Nah, I'm kidding.

I guess.

Jesusabdullah wrote: Also: Someone must now make a movie featuring both Heart and cum-guzzling, just to prove McDuffies wrong. IT CAN BE DONE

Christian Porn?

Jesusabdullah wrote:I think Superbad is somewhat of an exception to this PC teen comedy kinda thing. I mean, yes, the characters changed, but I don't think they got hit with the Serious Business epiphany. I mean, Fogle didn't really change much at all, and Evan didn't need some kind of epiphany to make the decision he did at the end of the movie or anything. Perhaps Seth learned something along these lines, but the movie was too open-ended to really tell.

Also: Someone must now make a movie featuring both Heart and cum-guzzling, just to prove McDuffies wrong. IT CAN BE DONE

Maybe if Kubrick was still alive he'd try to make it.
But I'm getting convinced that intelligence and gross-out comedy don't go together very well... take "Something about Mary" which was, I think, objectivelly the best gross-out film I watched. But it was like watching two separate films: one smart, with an ironic, absurdist plot, and the other just a string of excrement jokes... and as if I was switching channels between those two.
That's why if you wanna be dumb you gotta be sincirely dumb all the way, no pretending, and no "we're not so dumb after all" ending. Problem with film like "American pie" is, it's not very good, but it's are not bad enough either, so it doesn't fall into "so bad it's good category" and it just lands somewhere in mediocre.
Superbad wasn't bad all in all. I think it could have been done better, there were very good ideas and I think that it would have been better if those ideas were taken further. But whole mcLovin' sideplot was scary and hillarious at the same time.

If Kubrick were still alive, A.I. wouldn't have sucked so bad.

Didn't he give up on the project and handed it over to Spielberg back while he was still alive?

Tonight I watched "Monty Python and the Holy Grail" and "The Life of Brian" with a couple of friends. Actually, the videos are mine and I took them down for my friends to watch... or something.

We were going to watch "The Princess Bride" also, but instead we played Wii Bowling.

McDuffies wrote:

Yeahduff wrote:Haven't caught Superbad, but American Pie was elevated because it had a heart, and so you actually cared about the characters, making the embarrassments more personal, and the triumphs worth anything. This is how Superbad works, from what I hear, and is the only reason I have any interest in seeing it. Raunch for raunch's sake is just dumb. Go watch an Adam Sandler movie.

If I want to see a movie that's not dumb, I'm certainly not going to choose "American Pie".
However, everyone needs his share of guilty pleasures and dumb entertainment. If I decide to watch a dumb movie, I don't care to watch a moral in the end, because there isn't a thing that such movie could possible teach me that I already don't know.
American Pie is raunch for raunch's same as well: It certainly doesn't give any insight in psychology of a teenager, or any possible message other than the predictable hollywood stock messages about how you have to respect other people's feelings etc etc etc. American Pie has as much heart as any other film featuring semen ingestion - none. From the beginning, it acts like any other dumb raunchy comedy, it's only halfway through that it stops and thinks "Wait, what can we do to get on Roger Ebert's good side?" making film very dishonest in the ending.

Eh, you're full of crap. And it's not like there's some easily defined moral at the end, anyway. But if you wanna herald Old School as some kind of masterpiece, whatever.

Eh, you're full of crap.

You're turning into an asshole because someone criticized freakin American Pie? Which actress from there do you have a crush on now?

But if you wanna herald Old School as some kind of masterpiece, whatever.

Yee, because I always describe films I think are masterpieces as "dumb".

Friendly argument, man, meant no offense.

And Natasha Lyonne, for your information, but it's not as if I enjoyed Detroit Rock City.

now this is probably going to sound strange... but I saw american pie in the theatre, and I remember the school scenes and the slow truck angles they did using the lines of infinity... and I was like "wow thats freaking awesome". I can understand that my personal enjoyment of the film could easily be replicated with the sound off.. but I do think there was some blood and sweat in that movie. yeah it was raunchy and juvenile.. but nothing more than we've seen before. but I think the people that worked on the first american pie movie... really did love the source material-- it wasn't a manufacture "hurry lets get this done". To me I can see the labor of love involved.

but I'm not your normal film guy either.

I remember liking it, then not liking it. I'd have to see it again.

Eugene Levy was good in that movie.

Friendly argument, man, meant no offense.

If you say so.

Phact0rri wrote:yeah it was raunchy and juvenile.. but nothing more than we've seen before.

The twist was, it was one of first A-movies that went some places that were usually reserved for B-production exploitation movies. Or at least the first one that had left a mark.

I remember liking it, then not liking it. I'd have to see it again.

Original film was entertaining if anything, but sequel was boredom and forcing themselves to top the jokes from first one. I can only imagine what other sequels were like.

Oh hey, I saw Ripping Yarns, it's some nine episodes series that Mike Pelin and Terry Jones did in mid 70ies, basically each episode was a parody of some adventure genre, spy, crime, explorer, what have you. Some episodes were really funny, though others were kind of dull. But I liked the series finale, which was only dramatic even though it was in comedy spirit all the time.

TheSuburbanLetdown wrote:Eugene Levy was good in that movie.

He's the only thing that I liked about it, myself. It wasn't until later that I realized that's because he is a full blown comedy god that shines through no matter what he's in.

TheSuburbanLetdown wrote:I remember liking it, then not liking it. I'd have to see it again.

It's a decent flick, but it became instant cliche, and, as McDuffies say, the sequels sucked. Also, you're a fucking hipster.

Yeahduff wrote:

TheSuburbanLetdown wrote:I remember liking it, then not liking it. I'd have to see it again.

It's a decent flick, but it became instant cliche, and, as McDuffies say, the sequels sucked. Also, you're a fucking hipster.

What was that, Yale?

Yeah, I thought so.

I SAID "YOU'RE A FUCKING HIPSTER."

You'd think those ears would do something.

They're so big, cats are sleeping in them. I can't hear a thing except purring and plotting.

TheSuburbanLetdown wrote:They're so big, cats are sleeping in them. I can't hear a thing except purring and plotting.

These should help;


As for "American Pie", I am sad (or should that be glad?) to say, apart from ads on television, I have never any of those movies.

Outside of cultural reference, they're not really must see affairs. The first is the only one you need bother with, unless you absolutely love it. It's like the Matrix that way.

Actually, kinda remarkable how similar those franchises are.