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Jim North wrote:It promoted women's lib and boosted the American economy.

The women's liberation movement had been ongoing since the mid-1800s. It might have helped things, but things were already going in that direction, and that's an effect which didn't show up until the late 50s/early 60s--a decade later.

As for the economy, so 50 million people died so Americans could have cars and big houses a decade later? Yeah, that's a great trade-off. -_-

NakedElf wrote:As for the economy, so 50 million people died so Americans could have cars and big houses a decade later? Yeah, that's a great trade-off. -_-

Now be fair. It seems to me that you do this a lot NakedElf. You asked what was so great about the WWII era, and Jim said that it boosted our economy, which was true. And it promoted women's lib, which was also undeniably true.

He did not say that it started the women's lib movement. Nor did he suggest that fifty million lives was a fair trade for an improved economy.

Indeed.

While the women's lib movement had been going on for some time, WWII was still a big boost since so many jobs Stateside had to be taken over by women, including many of the heavier jobs like construction work, showing that they could definitely do the work that was traditionally thought of as being purely men's.

And saying "but were so many deaths worth it" could be applied to any of the good things that came out of WWII, not just the economy. That doesn't mean that they were not, in fact, still good things. And really, the war was one of the things that finally got us out of the Great Depression, which was killing people off left and right as well.

And why did you decide to pick on me and none of the others?! You make me cry, NakedElf, and that is something that naked elves should never make me do.

NakedElf wrote:

Laemkral wrote:

NakedElf wrote:I'm not sure that makes sense to me. What exactly was good about the WWII era?

It provided the basis for countless first person shooters involving killing Nazis, one of the three enemies you are always allowed to kill and not feel guilty about at all. The other two are the undead and demons. And Return to Castle Wolfenstein had all three!

You missed commies and brown people labeled 'terrorists'.

No, that was the 1950s and 60s for commies (wasn't real trendy by the 70s), the latter is only with a small minority and it's out of sheer ignorance and bigotry.

See Jim, she's picking on me too. Her comment was merely more snide and underhanded.

rkolter wrote:Now be fair. It seems to me that you do this a lot NakedElf. You asked what was so great about the WWII era, and Jim said that it boosted our economy, which was true. And it promoted women's lib, which was also undeniably true.

He did not say that it started the women's lib movement. Nor did he suggest that fifty million lives was a fair trade for an improved economy.

:-?

Thing is, I'm not actually questioning that there were good *results* from WWII. I'm all in favor of getting Hitler out of power and stopping the Holocaust, ending the Depression, women's lib, and so on.

But the original question was specific to the WWII era *itself*. I wouldn't want to live during WWII, and I highly doubt most of the rest of us would, either. Wars tend to suck. Saying essentially that the WWII era was great because *later on* people benefited from it seems rather... inaccurate. WWII was not great. It sucked. It had some good results, but these were later.

Laemkral wrote:No, that was the 1950s and 60s for commies (wasn't real trendy by the 70s), the latter is only with a small minority and it's out of sheer ignorance and bigotry.

See Jim, she's picking on me too. Her comment was merely more snide and underhanded.

Actually, I was being snide about American politics. I don't really have a good enough memory for forum-names to keep track of people very well in a setting like this unless someone does something really spectacular, and even then I'm fairly likely to forget it in a week. It's not that you guys aren't memorable, it's just that, well, my memory sucks. I couldn't target folks if I wanted to.

However, I am a political scientist by training, and I do pick up on certain things, and one of them is that labeling someone a 'terrorist' makes them an automatic target (but oh wait, the IRA is composed of 'urban guerrillas' and let's not talk about the KKK.) The commies, oh, come on! My dad2 still rants about the Red Commies being out to get us. :P


To both you and Jim, (that was Jim, right? I'll edit this again if I'm wrong) I apologize for being a dick, it wasn't intentional, and I certainly wasn't trying to target anyone. I responded to you because your answer was more interesting to me.

Col wrote:One distinct moment of feeling out-dated for me....

I went into a Hot Topic and the girl said if I knew what bands "my kids were into" she could help me pick something out.

NakedElf wrote:But the original question was specific to the WWII era *itself*.

Both of my examples were indeed things that happened during WWII. Both the economy and womens' situation actively improved a great deal during wartime, not just afterwards. Heck, the two things put together meant that unemployment was reduced to almost nothing during the war. Separately, women gained a good deal more pride in themselves and their work, and industrial manufacturing went through the roof due to all the materials and products needed to fight that there war. And more! But I'm too lazy to remember/look them up at the moment.

I wouldn't want to live during WWII, and I highly doubt most of the rest of us would, either.

Your question was not whether we'd want to live there, tho'. It was about what was good about it. McDuffies' post before yours didn't say anything about wanting to live in turbulent times either, but that they are good for providing precious cultural values. And they do. Many wars and social upheavals and the like do bring about great change, many times for the best. The promotion of women's rights during WWII is just one of a myriad of positive changes brought about by and during otherwise negative times and events. It's not necessary to want to live in those times to appreciate the good parts of them.

I responded to you because your answer was more interesting to me.

I find the expansion of Existentialism and the post-Dada art world that Sir Yeahduff mentioned to be far more interesting, personally, but meh.

Jim North wrote: I find the expansion of Existentialism and the post-Dada art world that Sir Yeahduff mentioned to be far more interesting, personally, but meh.

That's also interesting, but not something I have a remotely intelligent response to.

WWII had good effects on the US economy, yes, but it had really bad effects on the European economy... A very mixed bag of results.

Warren wrote:

Col wrote:One distinct moment of feeling out-dated for me....

I went into a Hot Topic and the girl said if I knew what bands "my kids were into" she could help me pick something out.

Col wrote:

Warren wrote:

Col wrote:One distinct moment of feeling out-dated for me....

I went into a Hot Topic and the girl said if I knew what bands "my kids were into" she could help me pick something out.

What makes that really funny is how they always have Metallica, Ozzy and Misfits stuff in there. And those bands have been around for 20+ years.

Damn kids today, stealin' our music!

...hey, I inherited my metal mania. Those punks weren't listening to Paranoid when they were five.

The baby clothes at Hot Topic SUCK.

And that sums up my opinion.

The people who enter Hot Topic scare me. Around here, they all have piercings and look mean and stuff. But they have really cute pants in there

I love Hot Topic...it's where I buy my hair dye!

Hot Topic doesn't have any Anarchy symbols. WTF, man. WTF.

None? That seems weird to me.

They do carry good hair dye.

I've never noticed how the customers look. I guess they fit under 'normal' to me...

NakedElf wrote:None? That seems weird to me.

Me, too! You'd think if anyone had any, it'd be them. But I've been to HTs here in Branson, in Springfield, and up in St. Louis . . . and nothin'! I should write an angry letter. Rar!

prettysenshi wrote:The people who enter Hot Topic scare me. Around here, they all have piercings and look mean and stuff. But they have really cute pants in there

I find that the creepy goth people are pretty nice. It's the jocks you have to worry about.

Jim North wrote:

NakedElf wrote:None? That seems weird to me.

Me, too! You'd think if anyone had any, it'd be them. But I've been to HTs here in Branson, in Springfield, and up in St. Louis . . . and nothin'! I should write an angry letter. Rar!

Hey, maybe Cosmic Fish up in Springfield would have one; that's where I finally found a new Darwin fish. Remind me tomorrow and we'll go there and look (If I hadn't posted that, I never would've remembered it myself)

Kat North wrote:

Jim North wrote:

NakedElf wrote:None? That seems weird to me.

Me, too! You'd think if anyone had any, it'd be them. But I've been to HTs here in Branson, in Springfield, and up in St. Louis . . . and nothin'! I should write an angry letter. Rar!

Hey, maybe Cosmic Fish up in Springfield would have one; that's where I finally found a new Darwin fish. Remind me tomorrow and we'll go there and look (If I hadn't posted that, I never would've remembered it myself)

You might try Kaliedoscope, too, over by St. John's. They might have some. http://www.kscope4fun.com/

Also, a couple of the local skate shops might have something. Y'never know.

Mmm, skate shops... *remembers that she is in no position to go hitting on guys.* Dammit. Everyone else's shopping sounds more fun than mine. :( Well, guess I'll go look for crock pots...