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Sketchywallflowr wrote:As my sister once pointed out, we used to be such a naked-loving, who gives a damn species. Then the Victorian era came and we completely changed what we'd been doing for hundreds of years, and for some reason we adopted that uptight, unnatural notion.

It started far earlier than that.

It's all about the invention of reliable contraceptives. If you got knocked up out of wedlock in 1744 your life would be pretty much ruined (unless your family had the cash/clout to send you to Switzerland for a 9 month holiday).

A woman's virginity was one of the few bargaining tools she had. It was more about survival than morality.

Sketchywallflowr wrote:As my sister once pointed out, we used to be such a naked-loving, who gives a damn species. Then the Victorian era came and we completely changed what we'd been doing for hundreds of years, and for some reason we adopted that uptight, unnatural notion.

That wouldn't explain how we changed in the rest of the world, since Victorian era is a period in Brittain's history only.

mcDuffies wrote:

Sketchywallflowr wrote:As my sister once pointed out, we used to be such a naked-loving, who gives a damn species. Then the Victorian era came and we completely changed what we'd been doing for hundreds of years, and for some reason we adopted that uptight, unnatural notion.

That wouldn't explain how we changed in the rest of the world, since Victorian era is a period in Brittain's history only.

Actually, that isn't the case. Victorian England had a huge influence on the world as a whole, and many of the things we take for granted today came from the Victorian era; that includes ideologies. Keep in mind that the Victorian era was the height of the Industrial revolution, and of English colonization.

"the sun never sets on the British Empire"

Gah, Yul Brynner was so god damned hot back in the day...

I think the opposition to public breastfeeding is pretty simple and easy to understand. Our society regards breasts as sexual. That's why we masturbate pictures of them online, enjoy them in the privacy of our own bedrooms, and cover them sturdily when we go out. Undergarment companies market bras based on their ability to completely eliminate all nipple visibility. To have your breasts visible in public, or even to just have your nipples visible through your clothes, is to be exposed and shamed.

So we can't handle someone taking their breasts out in public and doing things with them. It just weirds us out, even if that 'thing' we're doing with them is just their natural function, feeding babies.

Meself, I like nudity just being a natural, everyday sort of thing. But you probably could have guessed that.

Nudity still has its bounds. I'm not going to stare into the next urinal just for kicks, y'know. Kicks to the head, maybe.

Warren wrote:That kind of takes the fun out of nudity if it's just natural....

Oh noes! You have discovered the Secret Nudist Agenda! I'm afraid I'll have to kill you now.

NakedElf wrote:I think the opposition to public breastfeeding is pretty simple and easy to understand. Our society regards breasts as sexual. That's why we masturbate pictures of them online, enjoy them in the privacy of our own bedrooms, and cover them sturdily when we go out. Undergarment companies market bras based on their ability to completely eliminate all nipple visibility. To have your breasts visible in public, or even to just have your nipples visible through your clothes, is to be exposed and shamed.

So we can't handle someone taking their breasts out in public and doing things with them. It just weirds us out, even if that 'thing' we're doing with them is just their natural function, feeding babies.

Meself, I like nudity just being a natural, everyday sort of thing. But you probably could have guessed that.

I enjoy how you use evidence to support the statement, "Our society regards breasts as sexual."

Abraham Lincoln was a Victorian.

Thomas Edison was a Victrola.

yeahduff wrote:I enjoy how you use evidence to support the statement, "Our society regards breasts as sexual."

At first I thought you were sarcastically criticizing me for not linking to any supporting citations--statistical breakdowns of how different societies see breasts, that sort of thing...

Nanda wrote:

mcDuffies wrote:

Sketchywallflowr wrote:As my sister once pointed out, we used to be such a naked-loving, who gives a damn species. Then the Victorian era came and we completely changed what we'd been doing for hundreds of years, and for some reason we adopted that uptight, unnatural notion.

That wouldn't explain how we changed in the rest of the world, since Victorian era is a period in Brittain's history only.

Actually, that isn't the case. Victorian England had a huge influence on the world as a whole, and many of the things we take for granted today came from the Victorian era; that includes ideologies. Keep in mind that the Victorian era was the height of the Industrial revolution, and of English colonization.

Regardless people were prude and conservative down here much before we started accepting influences from the west,

It goes in cycles, it pretty much has for millenia. Ancient Greece, comedies were put on, and the standard costume included a foot long leather penis hanging from below the tunic. One play I studied in my theatre arts class included, within the same page, shaved vaginas, women fondling eachother, dildos, and men walking up to these women with boners. Then it all went conservative. Now slowly we have liberal points of view becoming more and more popular. Then something will happen and we'll all turn prude again.

NakedElf wrote:

yeahduff wrote:I enjoy how you use evidence to support the statement, "Our society regards breasts as sexual."

At first I thought you were sarcastically criticizing me for not linking to any supporting citations--statistical breakdowns of how different societies see breasts, that sort of thing...

yeahduff? be sarcastic? never!

I don't know where I get this reputation.

NakedElf wrote:

yeahduff wrote:I enjoy how you use evidence to support the statement, "Our society regards breasts as sexual."

At first I thought you were sarcastically criticizing me for not linking to any supporting citations--statistical breakdowns of how different societies see breasts, that sort of thing...

I kinda wish you had, now.

Killbert-Robby wrote:It goes in cycles, it pretty much has for millenia. Ancient Greece, comedies were put on, and the standard costume included a foot long leather penis hanging from below the tunic. One play I studied in my theatre arts class included, within the same page, shaved vaginas, women fondling eachother, dildos, and men walking up to these women with boners. Then it all went conservative. Now slowly we have liberal points of view becoming more and more popular. Then something will happen and we'll all turn prude again.

I tend to think that it's just that economical progress coincides with more liberties - more free time for leasure and for thinking, etc. Sudden conservativism of middle ages might have been a consequence of the big empire falling, with one of the most economically backward history periods following.

yeahduff wrote:I don't know where I get this reputation.

NakedElf wrote:

yeahduff wrote:I enjoy how you use evidence to support the statement, "Our society regards breasts as sexual."

At first I thought you were sarcastically criticizing me for not linking to any supporting citations--statistical breakdowns of how different societies see breasts, that sort of thing...

I kinda wish you had, now.

All the sources I can find are related to breast cancer...

mcDuffies wrote:

Killbert-Robby wrote:It goes in cycles, it pretty much has for millenia. Ancient Greece, comedies were put on, and the standard costume included a foot long leather penis hanging from below the tunic. One play I studied in my theatre arts class included, within the same page, shaved vaginas, women fondling eachother, dildos, and men walking up to these women with boners. Then it all went conservative. Now slowly we have liberal points of view becoming more and more popular. Then something will happen and we'll all turn prude again.

I tend to think that it's just that economical progress coincides with more liberties - more free time for leasure and for thinking, etc. Sudden conservativism of middle ages might have been a consequence of the big empire falling, with one of the most economically backward history periods following.

I'm so using this analogy in my next poli sci class.

prettysenshi wrote:

mcDuffies wrote:

Killbert-Robby wrote:It goes in cycles, it pretty much has for millenia. Ancient Greece, comedies were put on, and the standard costume included a foot long leather penis hanging from below the tunic. One play I studied in my theatre arts class included, within the same page, shaved vaginas, women fondling eachother, dildos, and men walking up to these women with boners. Then it all went conservative. Now slowly we have liberal points of view becoming more and more popular. Then something will happen and we'll all turn prude again.

I tend to think that it's just that economical progress coincides with more liberties - more free time for leasure and for thinking, etc. Sudden conservativism of middle ages might have been a consequence of the big empire falling, with one of the most economically backward history periods following.

I'm so using this analogy in my next poli sci class.

it's a known fact that as the economy improves hemlines go up, i.e. skirts get shorter, the same being said for breasts being shown more is not unreasonable.