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Spot on, Colin. Gotta keep these politicians at least sorta honest.
rkolter wrote:I really get tired about people who loved Clinton ignoring the law.
All presidents lie. Point of fact. Most of them get caught in one lie or another. Another point of fact. When under oath, most of them are slicker than than the north poles of two magnets squeezed together. Point of fact.
Clinton said, "I did not have sexual relations with that woman." Under oath. DNA evidence determined that he did. That is, simply, prejury. He lied under oath.
Prejury is an impeachable offense. He got impeached. It's worth noting that he could not be impeached unless a significant fraction of his own political party sided against him, which they did.
It's also generally punishable by jail time. You or I, caught in the same lie under oath, would be in jail for six months to three years depending on the jurisdiction. So he got off light, unless you're a history buff. Which Clinton is.
Bush, for all he has done, simply has not done anything that he doesn't have an out for. He is a very scary man. But he is a very savvy politician.
Well, this whole warrantless wiretapping incident would probably qualify as impeachable, if the ruling stands. But the Dems recoginize (for the most part) that impeachment would be political suicide, particularly since they forsee taking over Congress in November.
As for Clinton, sure, he lied under oath (is that not necessarily perjury? Because he wasn't tried for perjury), but it wasn't a terribly important lie. Matter fact, the question itself probably shouldn't have been asked, but they had nothing else on the guy, so.....
But congress went ahead and put the country through an impeachment despite the wishes of the people and the fairly banal nature of the lie. Not to make excuses, but the costs outweighed the benefits.
yeahduff wrote:But congress went ahead and put the country through an impeachment despite the wishes of the people and the fairly banal nature of the lie. Not to make excuses, but the costs outweighed the benefits.
Sometimes Congress has to do something that is against the wishes of The People. The point of Congress is to give people representation, not a direct vote. A direct vote will ALWAYS lead to the majority winning. Representation allows the minority to have their say too.
I don't disagree the lie was over something silly. I'm glad they enforced the law though. The wiretapping thing won't become a case because (as I understand it) Bush is abusing an until now rarely used perrogative to write a signing statement on everything he signs, including one on the Patriot Act.
The costs did outweigh the benefits. But in any case that isn't a capital crime, they usually do.
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Denial is not falsification. You can't avoid a fact just because you don't like it.
"Data" is not the plural of "anecdote"
I guess we'll just disagree then. You're right that the will of the people isn't everything. I just think it was a divisive political move that hurt the country for no good reason.
Linkara wrote:Don't worry, Yeahduff, I have no intention of starting a political debate in this thread. ^_~ I've actually moved away from political discussions because they depress the hell out of me, just was trying to address stereotypes usually associated with Republicans/conservatives... even if some of them are deserved. ^_~
Heh heh, yeah. That's cool, but it seems it's too late.
Tellurider wrote:Why must everyone be so angry about what politicians do? They all suck! All of them!
That's why we're angry about them. They suck and they're running the country.
What's funny is that people act as if these people come out of nowhere. These people come from our towns and our schools. Garbage in garbage out. Also, we elect them.
rkolter wrote:I really get tired about people who loved Clinton ignoring the law.
All presidents lie. Point of fact. Most of them get caught in one lie or another. Another point of fact. When under oath, most of them are slicker than than the north poles of two magnets squeezed together. Point of fact.
Clinton said, "I did not have sexual relations with that woman." Under oath. DNA evidence determined that he did. That is, simply, prejury. He lied under oath.
Prejury is an impeachable offense. He got impeached. It's worth noting that he could not be impeached unless a significant fraction of his own political party sided against him, which they did.
It's also generally punishable by jail time. You or I, caught in the same lie under oath, would be in jail for six months to three years depending on the jurisdiction. So he got off light, unless you're a history buff. Which Clinton is.
Bush, for all he has done, simply has not done anything that he doesn't have an out for. He is a very scary man. But he is a very savvy politician.
the fact that he bombed a country to take attention away from his penis and lieing is the part that bothers me.
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I just remembered something. one of the asian exchange students at my school,who is in grade nine, takes grade 11 math. and, in that national math contest they do yearly, he scored in the top .2 percent. It's really not any surprise to me that people think that all asians are smart. Granted, I don't think this. I've had a different asian as my science partner, and he was a lazy bum.
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EvilChihuahua wrote:I just remembered something. one of the asian exchange students at my school,who is in grade nine, takes grade 11 math. and, in that national math contest they do yearly, he scored in the top .2 percent. It's really not any surprise to me that people think that all asians are smart. Granted, I don't think this. I've had a different asian as my science partner, and he was a lazy bum.
Hey! I did grade 11 maths in grade 9 and got in the top .5 percent of the national maths contest... zOMG I'm almost as smart as asian people!!!
And 'cuz I'm Irish, it's time to celebrate that with a Guinness.
EvilChihuahua wrote:I just remembered something. one of the asian exchange students at my school,who is in grade nine, takes grade 11 math. and, in that national math contest they do yearly, he scored in the top .2 percent. It's really not any surprise to me that people think that all asians are smart. Granted, I don't think this. I've had a different asian as my science partner, and he was a lazy bum.
Hey! I did grade 11 maths in grade 9 and got in the top .5 percent of the national maths contest... zOMG I'm almost as smart as asian people!!!
And 'cuz I'm Irish, it's time to celebrate that with a Guinness.
Guinness is only seconded by KILLKENNY! Wooooooooo *runs right into a wall and knocks himself out*
Hm, average Serbian character is a bit painful issue to me.
We're in constant denial that we're sort of special and superior over other nations.
We're lazy and between working our ass of and starving, we'd usually choose the second one. And then complain a lot.
We're in collective denial about the role we had in wars we participated in.
And we always think we know everything the best. Average Serb will teach bird how to fly and fish how to swim.
We're kind of like Americans, come to think of it.
mcDuffies wrote:We're in collective denial about the role we had in wars we participated in.
From what I've seen I'd say that's pretty much a human stereotype.
"Yeah, that's the bridge pier (expletive). I thought it was the center. Oh (expletive)." ~ From the transcript of the recording device on board the ship which struck the San Franciso Bay Bridge last year, causing a 50,000 gallon oil spill.
I thought I'd nicely round off this topic by briefly listing every national stereotype I'm familiar with.
All the...
...Canadians are polite, apologetic and naïve lumberjacks.
...Americans are boisterous and gung-ho gun-toting cowboys whose worldview is ignorant and self-centred.
...Mexicans are moustachioed, sombrero wearing, burro riding banditos who like to drink tequila and shoot their pistols in the air a lot.
...Nicaraguans are drug dealers.
...Jamaicans are overtly relaxed dreadlock sporting Rastafarians who spend all day lounging on beaches smoking marijuana.
...Central Americans are passionate poor people who dote on their mothers.
...Cubans are either cigars or mambo-dancing peasants desperate to hitch the first available floating object to the US.
...Colombians are drug dealers.
...Brazilians are samba-dancing scantily clad beautiful people who carnival every other day.
...Argentineans are suave and conceited tango-dancing flirtatious cheats.
...South Americans are musical and easy going Catholics who are either being romantic heroes in the middle of a revolutionary war, or exporting drugs to the US.
...English are posh, bowler hat wearing eccentrics.
...Scots are crass, kilt wearing eccentrics.
...Welsh shag sheep and sing.
... Irish are mystical peasants tanked on Guinness.
...Portuguese are wily olive growing rustics.
...Spanish are overzealously catholic bullfighters who behave as if they live in a third world country.
... French are snooty, chain-smoking, rural dwelling wine merchants who haven't seen a bar of soap in years.
... Belgians are boring, fries chocolate and beer devouring child molesters.
... Dutch are clog wearing potheads.
... Germans are burly lederhosen wearing beer guzzling perfectionists who are emotionless super efficient ex-Nazis.
... Austrians are Germans but more musical.
... Swiss are neutral fence sitters who hide behind the mountains sitting around in their banks mending clocks and eating chocolate.
.. Italians are loud and emotional, greasy, spaghetti scoffing, Vespa riding womanisers who are with the mafia.
... Danes are blonde Vikings who eat herring and spend all day moping about in castles talking to skulls.
...Norwegians are whaler captains and somewhere near a fjord.
...Swedes are pornstars, design furniture and sport blonde eighties haircuts.
...Finns are snow dwelling Laplanders who breed reindeer and spend their free time naked in saunas hitting each other with twigs.
...Russians are violent nationalists who wear furry hats and spend all day drinking cheap vodka.
...Poles are stocky manual labourers.
...Romanians are vampires and gypsies.
...Hungarians are gypsies and vampires.
...Serbs are in the middle of a war or are in the middle of starting one.
...Czechs are musical alcoholics from Bohemia and live on cheap beer and dumplings.
...Greeks are big, hairy, jewellery wearing familycentric loudmouths.
...Turks are Greeks, but with moustaches.
...Western Europeans are hairy and romantic liberals who eat cheese and drink wine all the time.
...Eastern Europeans are grim and live in miserable war torn cities in identical grey concrete soviet housing blocks.
...Egyptians are venal and unscrupulous and all work in dirty bazaars selling wares capitalizing on their historical culture.
...Nigerians are scam artists and dodgy businessmen.
...Moroccans are fez and sunglasses wearing thieves.
...Senegalese are colourful frenchies who're always singing and dancing
...Congolese are violent warmongers.
...Ethiopians are starving.
...Kenyans are distance runners.
...South Africans are racially segregated, entrepreneurial and obsessed with rugby and cricket.
...North Africans are lecherous and moody Arabs who own camels and live in a tent in the middle of the desert.
...Sub Saharan Africans are destitute and starving tribal hunter-gatherers.
...Saudi Arabians are wealthy hookah smoking oil sheiks.
...Israelis are pushy and aggressive and are all in the army
...Iranians are wealthy carpet sellers.
...Indians have a degree, are entrepreneurs or doctors, live with their parents and have prearranged marriages.
...Pakistanis are poorer than Indians, own corner shops and are obsessed with cricket.
..Mongolians dress up in furs, own horses and are all card carrying Golden Horde members.
...Chinese are introverted and modest, eat cats, manufacture everything and are kung fu masters.
...Thais are transvestite prostitutes.
...Vietnamese are dog eating guerrillas.
...Koreans are dog eating artists and are impatient.
...Japanese are short, spectacle wearing techno-wizards who own cameras, travel in packs and know karate.
...Indonesians are exclusive and asocial
...Malaysians work in sweat shops
...Singaporeans are neat freaks
...Middle Easterners wear hijabs/keffiyehs/tea towels, are misogynists, spit a lot, and are Islamic fundamentalists who like blowing crap up.
...South Asians wear turbans, are good at science, are mystical, eat spicy food and are classist.
...East Asians wear coolie hats, are good at maths, are quiet, and are experts in martial arts.
...Australians are loud uncultured crocodile hunters who wear khaki, drink beer and wear felt hats
...New Zealanders shag sheep.
...Western Samoans are fat and Lazy.
EvilChihuahua wrote:I just remembered something. one of the asian exchange students at my school,who is in grade nine, takes grade 11 math. and, in that national math contest they do yearly, he scored in the top .2 percent. It's really not any surprise to me that people think that all asians are smart. Granted, I don't think this. I've had a different asian as my science partner, and he was a lazy bum.
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