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Sortelli wrote:Actually, I mentioned VG Cats because they do reference video games quite a bit, but they still find time to actually write something clever.
That's not clever. It's extremely boring.
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Different demographics.
The same things that differentiate your work from my own - yours has more clever and subtle comedy (Chatroom and RPG humor), while the stuff I try to deliver is loud, blatent, and can be enjoyed by someone with three brain cells (Stupidity).

Of course, that's not to bash my own work, but I'm just saying I'm very appreciative of comedy that can be delivered on its own with little pretext to it and naturally this type of comedy is generally not very clever.

Apples and oranges, eh?
Reclamare wrote:Heh. I'm not very good at comics, sure, but I don't go around parading my work like it's the best thing since... Something great. I just find Buckley to be incredibly arrogant. I think Straub said it best when he referred to him as a 'Hypocritical Egomaniacal Manchild'.
I wasn't really making a personal attack on you.
I was just using you as an example that accusing someone of arrogancy and parodying them for it is rather hypocritical, and that there is a difference between parody and a graphic verbatim attack.

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Guildmaster Van wrote:'sides, I think everyone hates MT, CAD, PA, et cetera for one simple reason - jealousy.
Same reason why people hate Garfield, or Matt Groening hates Seth MacFarlane.
Naysay all you like, but when you boil down to it there's no logical reason to bash and criticize these people without due cause.
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they are not necessarily ATTACKING GAMING COMICS. Get this through your head! They just happen to be a convenient target, and why? TIM DRAWS A GAMING COMIC AND THIS STARTED WITH A PARODY OF CAD HOGOD D:

People could do the same thing (and probably should) with megatokyo and striptease and all the other comics that are big and are in, you know, a genre.

CAD was just claude's target, so, in relation, other gaming comics will get picked on. Big ones that are Not Yours.


So, basically, you are not in the HORRIBLE RAPE RADIUS at all- you are not Tim, you are not an obnoxious big name guy who can't draw comics or be amusing at all (unless you love ethan! then you are exempt and i am very sad for you), and just because HE is in that genre, and YOU are in it as well DOESN'T MEAN DIDDLY SQUAT.


now that's off my chest, Reclamare, i really liked yours. XD
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Yowsers.

Anyway, I didnt get the impresion that Claude was making fun of the gaming genre or even CAD, he just just made 'em funnier.

Could be wrong though.

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He was mocking CAD by making them funny (I can't say funnier, 'cause they weren't funny to begin with...).

I agree with RA 100%.
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We're not attacking "gaming comics" per se. We're attacking BAD gaming comics. We're attacking their poor quality and their reliance on slavish devotion to the hobby as a substitution for humor, wit, or good writing.
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Okay granted, but...

why just gaming comics?

Surely there are bad comics in other genres.
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Some people like sprite comics, some like manga, some like furries, some like gamer comics, and some like super hero comics. And some people hate them. Deal.

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I really don't understand why this topic turned into a bitching-fest.
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Because SOMEONE has taken this to be a personal attack...ARGH. I AM A SEETHING CAULDRON OF RAGE! SOMEONE HAND ME A CTRL ALT DEL STRIP TO DEFACE
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SergeXIII wrote:Okay granted, but...

why just gaming comics?

Surely there are bad comics in other genres.
Meh. Too general. It's easier to rally around a singular sub-genre. Otherwise, everything gets spread too thin and the creative energy dissipates.
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Gaming Webcomics.

Serious business.





Also, may I point out that only two comics of any kind have been remixed in this thread, and Penny Arcade was only done up once by a single person? All the rest have been CAD. Are you seriously telling us that you're feeling persecuted because folks are making fun of 1.5 gaming comics out of the thousands that spread out across the webcomic landscape in a single thread?






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It's worth noting, I think, that gaming comics are pitched towards the exact demographic that likes violent, crude, mean spirited humour. That is to say, 15-25 year old males.

I mean, look at GTA. Whatever other sterling qualities the game posesses, you could still beat up protitutes, gun down innocents, drive dangerously and kill cops, all for fun.

It's also, not incidently, a very large demographic on the web. Heck, the web was basically created by and for them. So, yes, get it right and you'll have an enormously popular comic which people outside the key demographic will quite possibly loathe with a passion for it's lack of depth or subtley.

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Joel Fagin wrote:It's worth noting, I think, that gaming comics are pitched towards the exact demographic that likes violent, crude, mean spirited humour. That is to say, 15-25 year old males.

I mean, look at GTA. Whatever other sterling qualities the game posesses, you could still beat up protitutes, gun down innocents, drive dangerously and kill cops, all for fun.

It's also, not incidently, a very large demographic on the web. Heck, the web was basically created by and for them. So, yes, get it right and you'll have an enormously popular comic which people outside the key demographic will quite possibly loathe with a passion for it's lack of depth or subtley.

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I don't think that's totally true. I'm a gamer, and I'm probably the most passive, non-agressive person you're likely to meet. As for GTA, the beauty of the game was in the design, not the content. Narc had worse, but was horribly made, which is why it started out at $19.99. Because it was a piece of crap trying to use all the flash of GTA with none of the quality. Also, if you play any of the GTA games, you'll realize that a lot of the stuff you're talking about, I.E. gun down innocents, beat up hookers, and kill cops, are rarely, if ever actually required to beat the game. The simple fact is that you're allowed to do it. Whether you decide to depends on you. People tend to overlook this when judging games like this. Also, there is a heavy anti-drug message in the game. NONE of the main characters have ever accepted drugs when offered, and a couple of them tried to get people they knew off of them. There's a lot more to the GTA series if people are willing to get past the other stuff.

Anyway, about this in general. I find CAD alright. But I'm also easily entertained. I thought a lot of the stuff that other people here did was funny too. I think the first strip that Reclamare did was pretty funny. But honestly, I liked CAD's version of his last strip. Why? Because even though , 'Oh look, he hasn't played games. He's going through withdrawls.' is simple, straight forward, and doesn't take much to process, at it's core it's still funny, because anyone who is a gamer knows that feeling.

Gaming comics, even though seemingly popular, are still very hard to make appealing to the masses. Penny Arcade manages it because they mostly mix their game comics with comics about the latest thing happening in the gaming industry, and sometimes things that don't have to do with games at all. (Like FruitF*cker and DivX). VGcats (Which I'm guessing stands for Video Game Cats), is more about the games, but the writer makes his jokes in a way that even if you don't really know the game he's talking about, it's still very funny. I like a lot of gaming comics, but for people who have never played the games, or just play them casually, a lot of inside-joke comics about a game is not going to appeal to anyone who doesn't care about the game. And that's a LOT of people. But I don't think gaming comics are under attack in this thread. Having been around here as long as I have, I know that this is just one of those, 'Hahaha! I did something funny! Look!' threads. So there's no reason to take any of this to heart. You should have been around for the 'I hate spikey hair' thread, brought to us by McDuffies. (Which turned out to be a ploy just to stir people up. McDuffies is good at that, but that's why we love him. ^_^).
Anyway, this is getting long. There's more to say, probably, but I can't think of anything else right now. So rawr. =P

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IMO, Serge, if your aim is to defend the gaming genre then it'd be best to distance yourself from CAD. Since Tim Buckley is one of the biggest names of gaming comics, his bland writing and boring art style degrades the genre's reputation and is a poor influence for upstarting cartoonists who seek to replicate his success. I also think you're shooting yourself in the foot by making excuses for his lack of talent and by suggesting that insults directed at him and his comic are in some way a personal attack on you, your preferred genre, and/or gaming as a whole.
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KittyKatBlack wrote:I don't think that's totally true. I'm a gamer, and I'm probably the most passive, non-agressive person you're likely to meet. As for GTA, the beauty of the game was in the design, not the content.
All true, but we are all, here, exceptions, I think. We're the creative and intelligent part of the web-savvy gamer population.
Gaming comics, even though seemingly popular, are still very hard to make appealing to the masses.
Yes and no. I think the market can only support a couple of big 'uns so it's a little bit of a dead-mans-shoes situation. PA and PvP got in early, too.

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Joel Fagin wrote:It's worth noting, I think, that gaming comics are pitched towards the exact demographic that likes violent, crude, mean spirited humour. That is to say, 15-25 year old males.
I'm supposed to find CAD funny?

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Faceless wrote:I'm supposed to find CAD funny?
Uh... *looks down checklist* Yes... I believe so... Hm. This is weird. Well, we do have a new experimental treatment that lowers cognitive brain activity over a prolonged period. That should fix it for you. It's actually an ancient anesthetic treatment we're finding exciting new uses for in contemporary medecine and behaviour modification. Just sit down... Right, now stay there for a minute...

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You may experience some slight headaches...

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SergeXIII wrote:Its just that if you selling grapes, john and steve are selling grapes, and a bunch of people who sell oranges, apples and watermelons start mocking john and then steve, you can't help but feel that the grape market is under attack.
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Their grapes are inferior and poorly conveyed!

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