Doodles 9 - Too Little, Too Late

Bob281 · Post by **Bob281** » Wed Oct 24, 2007 8:20 am

ShineDog wrote:Its not the content for me, its the way criticism is received.

The problem that riles me is people who ignore and argue against criticism. Senshi is actively working to improve so Ill give her the best advice i can, personally, i think neko is being an ass about it but hey.

The reason i personally never drop any kind of criticism on the cartoony stuff is that for the most part i dont find it interesting. I skim completley over the top of it.

If im going to take an interest in something really cartooney, the artist needs to have a really interesting look or be fantastic or be drowning in character or... i dunno, just something out of the ordinary.

Lots of people who arent particularly great artists will choose cartooney stuff because its easier, but the end result is you end up with something that, to me, is nothing. Thats why i would always recommend the artist learning art first. and then applying his knowledge to make cartooney stuff with real character. Unless i see it, i will to continue to disregard it.

I Like the Peanuts Bone Cerebus and .And even Maus was cartoony but that won a pulitzer.Compared to those they could give harsher crits but they never do.But post a superhero drawing.You better run for cover.

Yeahduff · Post by **Yeahduff** » Wed Oct 24, 2007 8:21 am

Clowes excels at what he has to excel at. His "action" is stiff, but his subtle depiction of the surreal is top quality.

ShineDog wrote:You know, maybe im going to sound like an enormous hypocrit here, but...

Neko, what the hell?

Cmon, I am not going to argue with any of senshi's critiques here (except possibly the big legs thing, because i think that works for it), because there are definate problems. but to have a go at her for not working on the figure when there has been clear and marked improvement in her art recently makes you sound like an enormous tool.

Cmon man, i know a lot of people like you for being harsh, but this one felt like a particularly cheap shot.

It's not criticism if you haven't insulted someone.

My take is that the only real issues are foreshortening and line quality. Some women are actually built like that, with a skinny waist and large legs. But the far thigh and hip are bigger than the close one, and that's a problem.

TheSuburbanLetdown · Post by **TheSuburbanLetdown** » Wed Oct 24, 2007 8:24 am

yeahduff wrote:Clowes excels at what he has to excel at. His "action" is stiff, but his subtle depiction of the surreal is top quality.

Exactly. It fits perfectly.

Komiyan · Post by **Komiyan** » Wed Oct 24, 2007 8:30 am

bob281 wrote:Why are superheroes so contraversial on this site?They have to be perfect when their drawn.But when somebody does something cartoony they get a free pass.Its a complete double standard.

I think it's moreso the Liefeldism. Superheroes in general don't get a bad rap, but Liefeld inspired work has been an argued point on far more sites than this.

Bob281 · Post by **Bob281** » Wed Oct 24, 2007 8:43 am

Look at these two pictures of cartoon rabbits.The bunny on the bottom is very smooth and natural looking.There is even use of shading and even though it is a cartoon there is a sense of an underlying anatomy to it.The one on the top is not smooth and seems as if he is made of some rubbery substance.Furthermore his eyes seem to be detachted from his head and face.And there is no shading whatsoever.

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Yeahduff · Post by **Yeahduff** » Wed Oct 24, 2007 8:47 am

Stop being a dick.

If you're getting more criticism, good, use it. Don't result to ad hominem because your feelings got hurt.

Bob281 · Post by **Bob281** » Wed Oct 24, 2007 8:50 am

How am I dick for giving an honest crit.Isnt that why were here.Like I said the old double standard.

ShineDog · Post by **ShineDog** » Wed Oct 24, 2007 8:55 am

Yes except... thats being a dick, and why?

Because Neko has IMPROVED since then. Thats back in the ass early days of his comic, and youve pulled it up to have a go.

Also, he never posted that in here, how can you not see that this is an enormously asshole thing to do?

Rickford · Post by **Rickford** » Wed Oct 24, 2007 8:56 am

You just actively went to Neko's website looking for a reason to slag him off in a thread which he didn't post in. He did not post that comic here. You went LOOKING for it off-site.

That is nothing other than sheer vindictiveness, and you disgust me. You are a terrible human being.

Yeahduff · Post by **Yeahduff** » Wed Oct 24, 2007 8:56 am

Heh, honest.

He didn't ask for criticism on that page. And Looney Tunes is a rather high bar. Stop acting like a child.

Bob281 · Post by **Bob281** » Wed Oct 24, 2007 8:57 am

I dont see it as so others have done the same to my artwork.

Spriteville · Post by **Spriteville** » Wed Oct 24, 2007 8:59 am

Also, wouldn't it have made more sense to compare Neko's bunny to the actual Trix bunny, instead of Bugs Bunny?

Regardless it's a cheap shot. And as others said here it's older. You can go into almost anyone's archives and find crap in them. Also your constructive criticism wasn't all that helpful.

Bob281 · Post by **Bob281** » Wed Oct 24, 2007 8:59 am

Seems as if some can dish it out but they cant take it.

Yeahduff · Post by **Yeahduff** » Wed Oct 24, 2007 9:01 am

bob281 wrote:I dont see as so others have done the same to my artwork.

...so it's about vindication.

Spriteville · Post by **Spriteville** » Wed Oct 24, 2007 9:01 am

*see above*

Case in point.

Rkolter · Post by **Rkolter** » Wed Oct 24, 2007 9:01 am

Personally, I'm more bothered by the fact that I didn't know that The Neko was R. L. Peterson and wrote Go For It.

I actually like that comic.

Dammit.

ShineDog · Post by **ShineDog** » Wed Oct 24, 2007 9:02 am

The only thing people have done is post things you posted earlier IN THESE THREADS.

Not just pulled your own work out of some asshole place on the net.

Regardless. the important thing to note is that neko has MASSIVELY IMPROVED so your arguments are COMPLETLEY moot.

ARRGHLE

Bob281 · Post by **Bob281** » Wed Oct 24, 2007 9:04 am

The new stuff looks the same to me.

Bob281 · Post by **Bob281** » Wed Oct 24, 2007 9:06 am

Spriteville wrote:Also, wouldn't it have made more sense to compare Neko's bunny to the actual Trix bunny, instead of Bugs Bunny?

Regardless it's a cheap shot. And as others said here it's older. You can go into almost anyone's archives and find crap in them. Also your constructive criticism wasn't all that helpful.

Is that the Trix bunny? I had no Idea.

Rickford · Post by **Rickford** » Wed Oct 24, 2007 9:06 am

When's he being banned? I am beginning to tire of this melodrama.