Doodles 9 - Too Little, Too Late

Bob281 · Post by **Bob281** » Wed Oct 17, 2007 1:16 am

Pimpette wrote:
ShineDog wrote:He didnt ink it.
Whups. Seems I fail at reading.
Nevermind then.... >_>

This one sort of drew itself this morning.. While I really like how the entire thing came out, after looking at it for a while I've decided I'm not entirely happy with it (background excluded, it was just something scribbly I threw in because white was boring).
SHRED ME

Wow that nose looks very realistic.Noses always look like that in real life.And its so dynamic shes just standing there.And if its in the anime manga style thats so popular nowadays.Isnt she supposed to have big eyes.

Turnsky · Post by **Turnsky** » Wed Oct 17, 2007 1:49 am

bob281 wrote:
Pimpette wrote:
ShineDog wrote:He didnt ink it.
Whups. Seems I fail at reading.
Nevermind then.... >_>

This one sort of drew itself this morning.. While I really like how the entire thing came out, after looking at it for a while I've decided I'm not entirely happy with it (background excluded, it was just something scribbly I threw in because white was boring).
SHRED ME
Wow that nose looks very realistic.Noses always look like that in real life.And its so dynamic shes just standing there.

and yet she can get the overall proportions of a person right without them looking like a twisted lump of flesh straight out of a clive barker movie.
What does that tell you?

Edit: Look, i was gonna be nice, and offer some helpful advice, but it's pretty damn obvious that you're not gonna listen. So here's something else, most folks here, can be quite helpful in offering advice to people, some have offered help to you in the past, and gave you some tips along the way. You, threw that back in their faces with some backhanded remark, insult, or ranting about how jealous they're supposedly are.
One of your many problems is attitude, pure and simple, you're ignorant, you don't listen, and when it comes to your work, you're quite asinine about it. If you think your superiority complex is gonna get you anywhere, it isn't, the fact that you think people don't need to understand anatomy is testiment to that, All professionals that're employed by the big publishers have at least a few art degrees under their belt before they're even looked at seriously.
You're a Rob Liefeld fan, and that, i don't really have a problem with, emulating him, well, you CAN do better, and if i were you, i'd be thinking about surpassing him in every way imaginable.
I can offer you this one little piece of advice, i suggest you take some art classes and learn what anatomy is, what art is, how proportions, forshortening, angles, and everything.
You're not earning any respect here, and you're DEFINITELY not earning it by insulting people with your lame sarcasm.

Joel Fagin · Post by **Joel Fagin** » Wed Oct 17, 2007 1:54 am

Our D&D group got gutted and three of us need new characters. On a whim, and to try out my new Mac version of Photoshop, I drew and overly drmatic picture of the replacement trio. My new character is in the middle.

<img src="http://www.between-worlds.com/!junk/d&d.jpg">

Shades of Avatar lightning-bending on the cat. What can I say? I like the way they move in that show.

- Joel Fagin

Bob281 · Post by **Bob281** » Wed Oct 17, 2007 2:07 am

Turnsky wrote:
bob281 wrote:
Pimpette wrote: Whups. Seems I fail at reading.
Nevermind then.... >_>

This one sort of drew itself this morning.. While I really like how the entire thing came out, after looking at it for a while I've decided I'm not entirely happy with it (background excluded, it was just something scribbly I threw in because white was boring).
SHRED ME
Wow that nose looks very realistic.Noses always look like that in real life.And its so dynamic shes just standing there.
and yet she can get the overall proportions of a person right without them looking like a twisted lump of flesh straight out of a clive barker movie.
What does that tell you?

Edit: Look, i was gonna be nice, and offer some helpful advice, but it's pretty damn obvious that you're not gonna listen. So here's something else, most folks here, can be quite helpful in offering advice to people, some have offered help to you in the past, and gave you some tips along the way. You, threw that back in their faces with some backhanded remark, insult, or ranting about how jealous they're supposedly are.
One of your many problems is attitude, pure and simple, you're ignorant, you don't listen, and when it comes to your work, you're quite asinine about it. If you think your superiority complex is gonna get you anywhere, it isn't, the fact that you think people don't need to understand anatomy is testiment to that, All professionals that're employed by the big publishers have at least a few art degrees under their belt before they're even looked at seriously.
You're a Rob Liefeld fan, and that, i don't really have a problem with, emulating him, well, you CAN do better, and if i were you, i'd be thinking about surpassing him in every way imaginable.
I can offer you this one little piece of advice, i suggest you take some art classes and learn what anatomy is, what art is, how proportions, forshortening, angles, and everything.
You're not earning any respect here, and you're DEFINITELY not earning it by insulting people with your lame sarcasm.

Dude I just gave a crit it was neither mean nor as nasty like the ones Ive gotten.Is this a double standard now I can get crits but I cant give them.Oh and Ive seen your work its not that spectacular.You could use some art classes yourself.Are you on wizards top ten artist list?I think not.And just to let you know some of the greatest artist in comic history never went to art school.Jack Kirby and Dave Sim who draws these animal cartoons far better than you.Would you like me to name more?

KWill · Post by **KWill** » Wed Oct 17, 2007 2:09 am

Jackhass wrote:Her legs aren't quite right Pimpette...she sort of looks like she's about to tip over. Her right hip should jut out a bit then left leg should be angled out a bit to her left to support her body more.

Maybe she IS falling backward. That might be why her hand went up to her head.

Blackaby · Post by **Blackaby** » Wed Oct 17, 2007 2:14 am

bob281 wrote:Dude I just gave a crit it was neither mean nor as nasty like the ones Ive gotten.Is this a double standard now I can get crits but I cant give them.Oh and Ive seen your work its not that spectacular.You could use some art classes yourself.Are you on wizards top ten artist list?I think not.

Dude, you are the most AWESOME person ever. I've just logged back into this forum for like the first time in a bajillion years to say this. You're all ANYONE on CG talks about. Totally rock.

Also your art is cool.

Turnsky · Post by **Turnsky** » Wed Oct 17, 2007 2:16 am

bob281 wrote:
Turnsky wrote:
bob281 wrote:Wow that nose looks very realistic.Noses always look like that in real life.And its so dynamic shes just standing there.
and yet she can get the overall proportions of a person right without them looking like a twisted lump of flesh straight out of a clive barker movie.
What does that tell you?

Edit: Look, i was gonna be nice, and offer some helpful advice, but it's pretty damn obvious that you're not gonna listen. So here's something else, most folks here, can be quite helpful in offering advice to people, some have offered help to you in the past, and gave you some tips along the way. You, threw that back in their faces with some backhanded remark, insult, or ranting about how jealous they're supposedly are.
One of your many problems is attitude, pure and simple, you're ignorant, you don't listen, and when it comes to your work, you're quite asinine about it. If you think your superiority complex is gonna get you anywhere, it isn't, the fact that you think people don't need to understand anatomy is testiment to that, All professionals that're employed by the big publishers have at least a few art degrees under their belt before they're even looked at seriously.
You're a Rob Liefeld fan, and that, i don't really have a problem with, emulating him, well, you CAN do better, and if i were you, i'd be thinking about surpassing him in every way imaginable.
I can offer you this one little piece of advice, i suggest you take some art classes and learn what anatomy is, what art is, how proportions, forshortening, angles, and everything.
You're not earning any respect here, and you're DEFINITELY not earning it by insulting people with your lame sarcasm.
Dude I just gave a crit it was neither mean nor as nasty like the ones Ive gotten.Is this a double standard now I can get crits but I cant give them.Oh and Ive seen your work its not that spectacular.You could use some art classes yourself.Are you on wizards top ten artist list?I think not.

hey, i know i'm not the best out there, i know i could stand to learn more, but you could stand to be a little more helpful in your critique instead of sounding like a heckler. you do have a point about being mean or nasty, however, you could stand to even listen a little, no matter how harsh or pleasant the tone. I'm willing to learn, are you?

KWill · Post by **KWill** » Wed Oct 17, 2007 2:26 am

Turnsky wrote:
bob281 wrote:Dude I just gave a crit it was neither mean nor as nasty like the ones Ive gotten.Is this a double standard now I can get crits but I cant give them.Oh and Ive seen your work its not that spectacular.You could use some art classes yourself.Are you on wizards top ten artist list?I think not.
hey, i know i'm not the best out there, i know i could stand to learn more, but you could stand to be a little more helpful in your critique instead of sounding like a heckler. you do have a point about being mean or nasty, however, you could stand to even listen a little, no matter how harsh or pleasant the tone. I'm willing to learn, are you?

Could you guys please not let this deteriorate into the slugfest it was earlier?

(And Bob, could you please, please put spaces between your periods and the first letter in the next sentence D= )

Bob281 · Post by **Bob281** » Wed Oct 17, 2007 2:27 am

blackaby wrote:
bob281 wrote:Dude I just gave a crit it was neither mean nor as nasty like the ones Ive gotten.Is this a double standard now I can get crits but I cant give them.Oh and Ive seen your work its not that spectacular.You could use some art classes yourself.Are you on wizards top ten artist list?I think not.
Dude, you are the most AWESOME person ever. I've just logged back into this forum for like the first time in a bajillion years to say this. You're all ANYONE on CG talks about. Totally rock.

Also your art is cool.

Thank you Blackaby.Its nice to here an unbiased opinon once in a while.

Blackaby · Post by **Blackaby** » Wed Oct 17, 2007 2:32 am

bob281 wrote:Thank you Blackaby.Its nice to here an unbiased opinon once in a while.

Not a problem, mate.

Turnsky · Post by **Turnsky** » Wed Oct 17, 2007 2:48 am

bob281 wrote:Jack Kirby and Dave Sim who draws these animal cartoons far better than you.Would you like me to name more?

Granted you do have a point, but then again, they've been drawing for quite some time before they hit the big leagues, even they had to start from somewhere, and had a few constructive criticisms throughout their early careers.
i've only been drawing for about seven years now, and i've been practicing a lot since i begun to do so, like Jack and Dave up there, they themselves didn't just pick up a pencil one day and just decided to be good at what they did. It all takes time, i'm not perfect, i have a long ways to go, and even then i'll be willing to learn. The best honest advice i can give you is to try the basic human figure, general musculature, athletic builds, nothing too severe, your basic, run-of-the-mil human, as it were. And try to build from that. I know this might go against your preference for "powerful" types, but give it a try and see how you go from there.

Sareya · Post by **Sareya** » Wed Oct 17, 2007 3:15 am

bob281 wrote:...Dave Sim who draws these animal cartoons far better than you.

Dave Sim's character is flat, oddly proportioned (especially in the snout), and not even wearing pants. I wouldn't exactly call myself a fan of Foxfire Chronicles (haven't had time to read the whole thing yet) but given the choice between that and the bland, Conan-rehash world of "Cerebus" I think you can guess what I'd read.

ShineDog · Post by **ShineDog** » Wed Oct 17, 2007 3:22 am

Wait what?

I want to slap a pound of sense into bobs face as much as the next person, but he is right in saying this dave simm guys art is better, because it clearly is. And I doubt turn would argue the point.

Keffria · Post by **Keffria** » Wed Oct 17, 2007 3:23 am

Guys. Seriously.

Bob281, at this point, you're practically trolling, and everyone else, please stop provoking him. If you ignore him, he'll probably go away.

I want this to end now; it's shitting up yet another thread, and I don't want to have to do the split-and-lock thing again.

Post by **Mercury Hat** » Wed Oct 17, 2007 3:39 am

Next person who acts like an ass is getting my unbridled fury because you've all been told to stop before by more than one mod. You've had more than enough warning.

Killbert-Robby · Post by **Killbert-Robby** » Wed Oct 17, 2007 3:57 am

Agreed, this cycle of "he bitched at me, so I'm bitching at him" "Yeah well he bitched at me, I'm just bitching back!" has got to stop, as much as I want to open up a can of hell's wrath right now. I mean, you know, it was a pretty harsh crit considering Pimp complimented his art not 10 posts back, I'm sorry, I hope I didnt lapse into being an asshole.

Pimpette · Post by **Pimpette** » Wed Oct 17, 2007 4:04 am

Thanks for the crits, guys.

I'll see what I can do with it when I get home again later.
I tend to mess up on posing hips and legs a lot it seems, I hadn't even noticed I was doing it again, heh.

Bob281 · Post by **Bob281** » Wed Oct 17, 2007 5:07 am

Sareya wrote:
bob281 wrote:...Dave Sim who draws these animal cartoons far better than you.

Dave Sim's character is flat, oddly proportioned (especially in the snout), and not even wearing pants. I wouldn't exactly call myself a fan of Foxfire Chronicles (haven't had time to read the whole thing yet) but given the choice between that and the bland, Conan-rehash world of "Cerebus" I think you can guess what I'd read.

Im not even gonna comment on this.

Turnsky · Post by **Turnsky** » Wed Oct 17, 2007 5:19 am

and now a doodle for the doodles thread, how about that?

The Neko · Post by **The Neko** » Wed Oct 17, 2007 7:23 am

Sareya wrote:
bob281 wrote:...Dave Sim who draws these animal cartoons far better than you.

Dave Sim's character is flat, oddly proportioned (especially in the snout), and not even wearing pants. I wouldn't exactly call myself a fan of Foxfire Chronicles (haven't had time to read the whole thing yet) but given the choice between that and the bland, Conan-rehash world of "Cerebus" I think you can guess what I'd read.

Wait what? It's called cartooning. And his techniques are far, far better than what just about anybody here can muster. No offense to Turnsky, but Dave Sim is way better. Your points of contention are just confusing and looks like you're just grasping at straws because someone was saying something not-complimentary about a fellow CG-er's art. At least I pray that is the case because otherwise that means you have no sense of "good" or "bad", or in other words, a basic sense of taste.