Am in need of critiquing for my colouring. If you can suggest anything that would make this image look better, please suggest it (that is colour-wise only, not art-wise, as this is an oldish drawing that I just use for colouring practice)
Colouring help (aka, "Artistic skills, whaaaa?")
Colouring help (aka, "Artistic skills, whaaaa?")
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Am in need of critiquing for my colouring. If you can suggest anything that would make this image look better, please suggest it (that is colour-wise only, not art-wise, as this is an oldish drawing that I just use for colouring practice)
Am in need of critiquing for my colouring. If you can suggest anything that would make this image look better, please suggest it (that is colour-wise only, not art-wise, as this is an oldish drawing that I just use for colouring practice)
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give the shading more dimension. Like make the shadows do more than outline it. and add maybe a highlight or two. Wrinkles in fabric cause shading, the muscles in your body cause shading, check out the other thread on coloring where 
theres a good one on lighting
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This was posted by some guy on Polycount a few years back, print it out, stick it up:
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These pages and onwards are good from Loomis
http://d538518.u320.bigcrawler.com/FigureDrawing/76.htm
Spicey Curry Brush tutorial - just got it so haven't given it a try, looks good though.
http://www.deviantart.com/view/24105181/
Other than that, forget line as anything real when you study. All line is is human video compressed shapes. Real shapes are differences in value and tone, focus on studying that. It helps if you can think of the shape from every angle too, I imagine "what can this light see from up here?" It needs practice.
And finally, some good stylistic reference for computer colour:
http://-seed-.deviantart.com/gallery/
http://jayaxer.deviantart.com/gallery/
theres a good one on lighting
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You said "colour-wise only, not art-wise" but colour painting is art, so I'm a little confused. Do you mean colour as in use thereof, or do you mean colour as in painting?
If you mean use; use of colour is OK, purple black and blue, non offensive and works well. Nicely identifiable. The skin tone is chocolatey and an OK mid value, I'd recommend getting greater saturation on the skin shadows though, and maybe more warmth in there.
Painting, well, that needs a little practice. I recommend trying to visualise shapes in 3D, know the typical light configuartion (3 point lighting) and study how shapes look under such conditions. Here's a rather advanced 'basic' CG painting tutorial.
The links I posted over here might also prove useful. [edit: whoops, they've been quoted already]
Hope that helps.
If you mean use; use of colour is OK, purple black and blue, non offensive and works well. Nicely identifiable. The skin tone is chocolatey and an OK mid value, I'd recommend getting greater saturation on the skin shadows though, and maybe more warmth in there.
Painting, well, that needs a little practice. I recommend trying to visualise shapes in 3D, know the typical light configuartion (3 point lighting) and study how shapes look under such conditions. Here's a rather advanced 'basic' CG painting tutorial.
The links I posted over here might also prove useful. [edit: whoops, they've been quoted already]
Hope that helps.
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It's supposed to be dark and shadowy... there was a dark blue background to the picture, but for some reason it didn't save with the image.Jackhass wrote:Well...I'm no colouring expert myself, but the colour's kind of flat and the skin colour isn't quite right. The skin tone's too dark and grey-ish for what's supposed to be (I'm assuming) a white girl.
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What do you mean by painting? I didn't paint any of this picture. I mean critique the way I coloured the picture, not the way the picture itself is drawn.LAGtheNoggin wrote:You said "colour-wise only, not art-wise" but colour painting is art, so I'm a little confused. Do you mean colour as in use thereof, or do you mean colour as in painting?[/url].
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I use the word painting when someone uses colour, tone, and shape all together to create artwork on a computer, like you just have as soon as you started shading.
I'm getting confusing and tied up into semitics here, sorry:
Colour = hue (red, blue, green etc)
Tone = Light and dark
Shape = The visual space held by an object, defined by its profile / contour.
Don't hold me on that, I'm really no expert. But since you seperated art from the colour I thought you might specifically be referring to the colour on its own, which is, well, just the colour of things, not their shape or tone - tone being something you used very little of, which lead to further confusion.
Look, uh, if you want to colour things to look 3D and whatnot, then that's pretty much painting. Check painting tutorials and stuff, and then, if you want, chuck on big black contours to make it look comic-y.
I'm getting confusing and tied up into semitics here, sorry:
Colour = hue (red, blue, green etc)
Tone = Light and dark
Shape = The visual space held by an object, defined by its profile / contour.
Don't hold me on that, I'm really no expert. But since you seperated art from the colour I thought you might specifically be referring to the colour on its own, which is, well, just the colour of things, not their shape or tone - tone being something you used very little of, which lead to further confusion.
Look, uh, if you want to colour things to look 3D and whatnot, then that's pretty much painting. Check painting tutorials and stuff, and then, if you want, chuck on big black contours to make it look comic-y.
Yeah, technically coloring is also art - so in order to critique the coloring, we'd have to, by extension, also critique the art. Yay, for semantics 
Anyway, I'm a proponent of a picture is worth a thousand words, so here's a quickie coloring tutorial for you. Like LAG and M2 have said, you need to understand the 3 dimensional structure of things before you can shade them. If it helps, take a random reference and specifically look at how the shadows and highlights fall on objects.
I couldn't help but notice she didn't have eyebrows ...
Hope that helps. I suggest you also take a look at the Coloring Technique Sharing thread. It gives you a look at how different people color.
Anyway, I'm a proponent of a picture is worth a thousand words, so here's a quickie coloring tutorial for you. Like LAG and M2 have said, you need to understand the 3 dimensional structure of things before you can shade them. If it helps, take a random reference and specifically look at how the shadows and highlights fall on objects.
I couldn't help but notice she didn't have eyebrows ...
Hope that helps. I suggest you also take a look at the Coloring Technique Sharing thread. It gives you a look at how different people color.
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My two cents are mostly about the black top of the shirt. This is a picky comment, but it may be helpful.
First off, nothing is REALLY black the way computer black is black. The shoulder area of your character draws my eyes in like a black hole but at the same time are made very flat because of the lack of color (read: tone) variation. Since it's a comic and stylized character, using absolutes like absolute black and absolute white are fine, but they tend to make the composition look less believable. So basically just a tiny highlight that defines shape on the shoulders or even shading the entire dark area a slightly less dark version of a dark gray and adding a shadow would suffice.
Other than that, I think it looks good. I'd second the comment on making sure you know where shadows and light really do fall on the character. Light source the most important factor of adding shadows, but as you said the background did not save and the light source is fairly ambiguous, so as long as YOU know where it's all coming from it shouldn't be too hard to convince US.
First off, nothing is REALLY black the way computer black is black. The shoulder area of your character draws my eyes in like a black hole but at the same time are made very flat because of the lack of color (read: tone) variation. Since it's a comic and stylized character, using absolutes like absolute black and absolute white are fine, but they tend to make the composition look less believable. So basically just a tiny highlight that defines shape on the shoulders or even shading the entire dark area a slightly less dark version of a dark gray and adding a shadow would suffice.
Other than that, I think it looks good. I'd second the comment on making sure you know where shadows and light really do fall on the character. Light source the most important factor of adding shadows, but as you said the background did not save and the light source is fairly ambiguous, so as long as YOU know where it's all coming from it shouldn't be too hard to convince US.
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Hey, on your second one, try coloring the areas that will be shaded the darkest (like armpits, crotch, etc...) again to make them darker, then smudge them to make it look more even. Oh, and if you aren't allready, try using a fuzzy brush, set to soft light, using black; this is what I personally use to shade, though I use GIMP, but I think it's the same in PS.
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Awesome site with coloring advice and lots of other stuff:
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That page is my Lord. And I always wondered how to find that bloke again.wp wrote:Awesome site with coloring advice and lots of other stuff:
http://www.itchstudios.com/psg/art_tut.htm
Thanks man!
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wp: That is one awesome tutorial. Now THAT artist needs a shrine. Though I'm assuming he gets paid to do art ... which is even better ^_^
BOMC : Much better! My only nitpick is that the folds in her shirt aren't very realistic. Look at your own shirt in the mirror and examine how it folds along the body. Also ... layers cast shadows. Thus, the edge of the shirt should be casting a direct shadow on her pants. Otherwise the entire edge look a bit too flat and non 3 dimensional. Like Levi I'd suggest making the shadows stronger. But other than that, keep up the great work.
I've got another coloring tutorial on my newly created deviant art account. It's a bit more complex and detailed than the one above.
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Thanks for the compliment though, I needed that. Been a bad week ^^;;wp: That is one awesome tutorial. Now THAT artist needs a shrine. Though I'm assuming he gets paid to do art ... which is even better ^_^
BOMC : Much better! My only nitpick is that the folds in her shirt aren't very realistic. Look at your own shirt in the mirror and examine how it folds along the body. Also ... layers cast shadows. Thus, the edge of the shirt should be casting a direct shadow on her pants. Otherwise the entire edge look a bit too flat and non 3 dimensional. Like Levi I'd suggest making the shadows stronger. But other than that, keep up the great work.
I've got another coloring tutorial on my newly created deviant art account. It's a bit more complex and detailed than the one above.
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