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Which of my styles is more worthy?

Postby Azael on Tue Jul 06, 2004 7:07 pm

Is it this, the style that I use for A Mage's Fate:
http://www.freewebs.com/azaelcomic/prologue.htm
Or is PD#666:
http://img78.photobucket.com/albums/v29 ... D666-2.jpg
a better style?

I tend to lean towards the neatness of AMF, but I have gotten comments that PD#666 is more visually pleasing...
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Postby Joel Fagin on Tue Jul 06, 2004 8:01 pm

I thik the second does look nicer but I can't actually see the difference. To me, it just looks like a different picture rather than a different style.

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Postby Azael on Tue Jul 06, 2004 9:40 pm

Joel Fagin wrote:I thik the second does look nicer but I can't actually see the difference. To me, it just looks like a different picture rather than a different style.

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The first is inked... with the second is just overlayed with a heavy pencil line... that's all I changed, besides smoothing my shading out.
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Postby Jackhass on Tue Jul 06, 2004 10:41 pm

Inking is always preferable to straight pencil lines...
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Postby YarpsDat on Wed Jul 07, 2004 1:50 pm

Inked huh? But it's on lined paper.

And your files are HUGE! 300kb???
Damn, I'm on DSL and I got bored of waiting, so I switched to other window.

Get some basic computer post procesing:
1. scan at high res. 300 or 600 dpi
2. apply curves in more or less this fashion.
(alternatively, use "levels" or adjust brightness contrast)
3. merge layers, resize to the web size (ie 800 pixels wide)
4. use export/save for web/optymize/JPG wizard, or whatever.

Come back when you mastered that.

(BTW, if you lack software...
GIMP is free, and PSP has a free 30 day demo.)
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Postby Azael on Wed Jul 07, 2004 2:22 pm

YarpsDat wrote:Inked huh? But it's on lined paper.

And your files are HUGE! 300kb???
Damn, I'm on DSL and I got bored of waiting, so I switched to other window.

Get some basic computer post procesing:
1. scan at high res. 300 or 600 dpi
2. apply curves in more or less this fashion.
(alternatively, use "levels" or adjust brightness contrast)
3. merge layers, resize to the web size (ie 800 pixels wide)
4. use export/save for web/optymize/JPG wizard, or whatever.

Come back when you mastered that.

(BTW, if you lack software...
GIMP is free, and PSP has a free 30 day demo.)


The older stuff is on lined paper... I use a calligraphy pen to ink... as for the size (pixel dimensions), the smallest I've been able to get after scanning is the size you see. Any smaller, and it looks really bad. As for actual file size, that's saved as a jpg image.

Gimp... I could never install that, for some reason. It always has a new error message for me when I try. But I'll try again...
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Postby Ruxen on Wed Jul 07, 2004 2:23 pm

I preferered your second one:
- The outlines matched the shading more. Since it was done all in pencil it was more sequential then the first.
- The shading blended in with the lines better creating a more realistic look.
- The first was on lined paper
- The first took me quite a while to load and I'm running ADSL.
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Postby YarpsDat on Wed Jul 07, 2004 2:39 pm

Azael wrote:as for the size (pixel dimensions), the smallest I've been able to get after scanning is the size you see. Any smaller, and it looks really bad.

And that's why you should scan huge (high res), then use curves to make it look really good, and finally you resize it down to make it really small, and it ends up looking even better.

If you try to save yourself work by scanning small it (almost) always looks like shit.

Hmm, try PSP then.
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Postby Taiwanimation on Wed Jul 07, 2004 6:21 pm

Try to get under 100kb per page with file sizes. Saving as 16-color .GIFs can shrink it down a lot.
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Postby Caduceus on Wed Jul 07, 2004 7:05 pm

Calligraphy pens? Have you given a thought to using something pressure sensitive such a brush or crow quill? Heck, one of those things that are like makers with a felt brush tip might work out and you wouldn't have to worry about the ink bottle that way. I can't imagine working with a calligraphy pen; how does it work out for you and why did you choose it? I'm not trying to be insulting here; just honestly curious.

And ALWAYS scan at a higher resolution than you need and shrink if you are going to be posting something on the internet. This is because monitor resolutions are very low and you NEED to have some anti-aliasing to make it look right.
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Postby Xmung on Wed Jul 07, 2004 8:13 pm

don't know if the inking adds anything much, for that reason i prefer the second. i also prefer the lettering in the second - the drippy blood/halloween lettering doesn't cut it for me.

can i suggest that if you're mostly using pencil to shade that you get a variety of leads (HB, 2B, 4B, etc) and pencil shapes and sizes - this will give you a wider range of blacks for shading and help give you greater depth, harder edges, stronger shadows etc.
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Postby Azael on Wed Jul 07, 2004 8:25 pm

Stephen Henderson-Grady wrote:Calligraphy pens? Have you given a thought to using something pressure sensitive such a brush or crow quill? Heck, one of those things that are like makers with a felt brush tip might work out and you wouldn't have to worry about the ink bottle that way. I can't imagine working with a calligraphy pen; how does it work out for you and why did you choose it? I'm not trying to be insulting here; just honestly curious.


I use a newer internal inkwell one. Cheap, but it works out more nicely than using my normal school pens... I started out by using BIC pens, then I moved on to PILOT finepoint gel pens, then back to BICs, and then finally on to the calligraphy pen that I'm using now. I really can't afford to use anything more expensive at the moment...

And GIMP works... works better for me than any other image manip program I've used to date, too. Took me five minutes to figure it out, and five minutes to do a character's face.
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Postby Caduceus on Wed Jul 07, 2004 9:11 pm

The GIMP is by far the best free image manipulation program available. Not up to Photoshop level but for most webcomics you won't be needing the extra power Photoshop gives you. The only problem with the ol' GIMP is that it doesn't do pressure sensitivity in the Windows version, only the Linux one.

I see where you are coming from on the cost thing; web-comics for almost all of us are strictly hobbies and sometimes eating has to come first, eh? ;)
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Postby Azael on Wed Jul 07, 2004 10:27 pm

Yup, I prefer eating to drawing... for the most part.

Is this (rough work, nowhere near done) more of what I should be doing? http://www.freewebs.com/azaelcomic/Dark ... review.jpg
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Postby Caduceus on Thu Jul 08, 2004 10:28 pm

Say, that's looking pretty good. You might want to darken those ink lines before you start coloring, though. They are looking kinda gray.

I'm really liking that jagged stylization in the cloak; perhaps some of your other stuff in the drawing could benefit from that sort of boldness. His face look kind of shown up in comparison.

And spot some blacks. What I mean by that is you can pick areas that are going to be in deep shadow and just make them totally black. Very useful for developing a balanced feel in a black and white image. This can be done (if you so desire) digitally and digitally is indeed a good way to do it.
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Postby Nothingspecial on Fri Jul 09, 2004 11:18 am

The text in both of them kinda bothers me, especially the first one since it looks pixelated. Neither of the text fonts, nor the boxes that surround them, really fit with your pencilled shading. Try to go for something that fits the overall feel better.

As for pencilled versus ink, go with the ink.
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Re: Which of my styles is more worthy?

Postby William G on Sat Jul 10, 2004 9:55 am

Azael wrote:Is it this, the style that I use for A Mage's Fate:
http://www.freewebs.com/azaelcomic/prologue.htm
Or is PD#666:
http://img78.photobucket.com/albums/v29 ... D666-2.jpg
a better style?

I tend to lean towards the neatness of AMF, but I have gotten comments that PD#666 is more visually pleasing...

What do you feel most comfortable doing?
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Re: Which of my styles is more worthy?

Postby Azael on Sat Jul 10, 2004 11:02 am

William G wrote:What do you feel most comfortable doing?


To tell you the truth, I'm comfortable either way. A couple of my readers voiced a complaint on both styles, but also, my audience is largely members of the forums at Bob ang George, so I'm one of three hand drawn comics that anyone reads in that board. Out of a good 120+...

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Postby FurballManor on Tue Jul 13, 2004 2:03 am

You might also consider using GIF or PNG images instead of JPEGs. JPEGs use a form of compression that causes lines that should be crisp and sharp to appear "smeared". This causes the "ghosting" effect around the text on the image on photobucket.com. The image on freewebs.com doesn't have this problem, but the file size is huge, which suggests to me that you saved the image at 0% compression. The image looks good, but people on dialup will hate you. ;) GIF and PNG images don't lose data when they are compressed like JPEGs do, so you can get a reasonable file size without loss of image quality.

Oh, and hi all. I'm new here. I'll be introducing myself shortly in my own thread.
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Postby Azael on Fri Jul 16, 2004 3:35 pm

I'll take that into consideration... I'm going to revamp the comic anyway. Full page per panel, then scale it down... etc, etc.

I'm wondering if I should really even bother continuing my comic carreer, though... I don't know if it's worth the insults I've gotten from readers...
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