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I've been thinking that my writing is a bit lacking, so I've been focusing mostly on it over drawing.
Here's a story idea I have. This is a first draft ... so.. yeah... I don't know if it's any good or not.


Snow isn't the first thing that comes to mind when one thinks of spring, yet here we were on the first day of school: Nick on the first day of school walking to the school gate in a light snow storm.
It was still technically winter, but in Nick's nine years of attending school, snow on the first day was a first.
Just as Nick was about to run through the school gates, he heard a girl's voice call out from behind.
"You, over there!"
Nick turned around.
"You dropped this."
A girl. About as tall as Nick himself, and he wasn't a short type, but what caught Nick's attention the most was that this girl was stunning. Her hair was long and so dark that the white snow looked like it was falling away from her like Moses splits the Red Sea. Nick stared into the deep burgundy eyes that stared back at him with uncertainty.
"This is yours, isn't it?"
Nick shook his eyes free to see what it was, and his hand immediately went to feel his right pocket, which was unexpectedly empty. The key to get inside his parents' house sat on her black gloved palm.
"Oh, yeah, sorry. I guess it fell out while I was running."
Nick quickly grabbed the key out of her hand, and was about to say thanks, but she spoke first.
"You should be more careful next time."
She walked past him into the school.



"Sarah? ... Is Sarah here?"

In a classroom packed with students, nobody responded to the teacher's call for attendance.

"Absent, it seems..."

The teacher pulled out her red pen and marked the absentee. The students chatted a little while the teacher continued to take attendance.

"Absent from the first day of school... maybe someone forgot school started."

"it's not like we do anything important the first day..."

The back door drew open quietly and he girl from earlier that morning stepped in calmly.

"I'm sorry for being late. I lost my way."

The teacher nodded at her to sit down. She quietly closed the door behind her and found an empty seat near the door in the back of the classroom. The teacher continued with a few more names to which students responded accordingly. Nick had been paying attention to the names the teacher was calling out to find out the girl's name, but it felt like she would never respond to any of the long list of names the teacher called out from her roster.
The teacher at last called out:
Helena?
to which she finally responded with a short:
Here.


(I haven't given any of my characters last names, on purpose.)

sorry.. that's all I have right now :( I'll keep editing this post to make it longer...
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There's not much there to judge yet. No plot, not much in the way of characterisation, no villains, no action...

However, people rarely say "You over there!" They usually say "Hey!" followed by "Hey, you in the hat!" if you don't respond. Kids - and I don't know age we're talking here but pretty much any age - also don't usually say "Be more careful next time." That's something that gets programmed into you by remote when you become a parent as far as I can tell. Image

So, I guess the only criticism I can make from so little is work on your dialogue. Don't write whatever sentence of dialogue gets the job done. Think about the characters and their personalities and try to write it in the way that they would say it.

And if you want to improve, I suggest a writing group and/or a creative writing course.

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It is lacking... and one of the things it's lacking is that it's NARRATIVE being posted on a site for, uh... webcomics... which are generally written in script... not that you can't get writing help here, I'd just suggest it's probably not the best way to go about it... also, posting approximately one page in Word that's 'all I've written' on a novel is also not a good idea... write the chapter, then post it. That way you have time to spot mistakes yourself first. Even better is to have the entire story.

Writing, writing, writing... I would suggest you go mosey over to CritiqueCircle, for one possibility, or even the Nanowrimo forums once it reopens. Also hate to spamalot, but I'm the mod for the writing section over at Jedi.net and we LOVE critiquing... :shifty: If you ask for it, and ask 'help me make it better', we will... though it generally helps if you like Star Wars. (You don't have to WRITE it, just like it) And there are many, many other writing places on the web.

Luckily for you, I'm a literature critic as WELL as a comic critic! Let's get right down to this... WARNING. I AM NOT A LIGHT CRITIC.


1) When you post a story online, tabs don't show up. There are no indents, double space for readability.
2) Snow? Spring? Snow is most definately the first spring thing I think of, snow and that horrible snow/new spring mud that gets EVERYWHERE and on EVERYTHING, and farmers sulking and all that. But I live in Canada. I guess snow on the first day of school is supposed to be an anomoly for you. First day of school, what? Is this after spring or Easter break? You lost me with that line, because my mind went WHAT? First day of school is... well... September, which is fall... if this is set in Australia or some other place with different school schedules, then you're going to have to make sure we KNOW this... in theory you meant this was after spring/easter break. So you'd have to write something like that: "It was Nick's first day of school after the break and it was snowing. Oh, joy."

Speaking as a Canadian, I know snow well. There is no such thing as a light snowstorm. Either you're walking to school with ice crystals hurling themselves into your formerly dainty cheeks, or it's snowing, and believe me, that's not a snowstorm. What you're describing is a nice winter's day, where the air catches your breath and turns it into fog, making cheeks and noses rosy and leaves a light coating of snow in your hair, so that you have to shake it out if you weren't wearing a touque, which presumably they weren't, because after all, he was describing her hair later on. This is not a light snowstorm, that is an oxymoron. This is a light snow.

But meh, ignoring all that, moving on!

Have you heard the word TENSE? Past tense, present tense. Both are acceptable writing styles, past tense is preferable. Have you heard VOICE? Narrator? The character who's speaking? When you're writing in third person, past tense, limited POV--which you are--you need to keep that character voice in mind. You don't preach at the reader, or even go 'snow isn't the first thing that comes to mind when one thinks of snow'. No. "Snow wasn't the first thing that came to Nick's mind when he thought about spring, but here he was on the first day of school: walking to the school gate in a light snow." There is no we unless it is in first person. It is not in first person. Nick is clearly narrating, in third person. There is no one WITH him. There is no we.

Past tense means the story is not 'happening right now'. It is generally the acceptable tense for writing, because to be able to write present tense well takes a lot of talent. That would mean "Snow isn't the first thing that comes to Nick's mind when he thinks of spring, but here he is on the first day of school: walking to the school gate in a light snow."

Once again, snow on the first day jars with me... it's like... WHAT? First day of school is in FALL, not SPRING...

And suddenly, a girl! After all the poetry up there, how anticlimatic. Also, it's snowing. No, Nick, NO! You don't 'just about to run into the school gates' when it's SNOWING unless you are LATE. Assuming that this is spring, let me describe spring. Spring melts the snow, and then SURPRISE, SNOWSTORM! You have layers of ice underneath the snow. Slick, nasty ice. Unless it's been well salted, this is the time of the year that believe me, you do not run.

Also, you really don't need all the paragraphing.

"Just as Nick was about to run through the school gates, he heard a girl's voice call out from behind. "You, over there!"

Nick turned around.

"You dropped this.""

And I would describe the girl, without paragraphing, after 'you dropped this'.

Moving on...

"A girl. About as tall as Nick himself, and he wasn't a short type, but what caught Nick's attention the most was that this girl was stunning. Her hair was long and so dark that the white snow looked like it was falling away from her like Moses splits the Red Sea. Nick stared into the deep burgundy eyes that stared back at him with uncertainty."

I admit my first reaction was to giggle hysterically. Such a BAD metaphor. Plus what you're describing... uh, have you ever been in a snowstorm, just curious? Snow doesn't care what color her hair is. Snow is not going to be splitting around her just because... her hair is... long and dark.

In fact, if your hair is long and you're in a snowstorm and not wearing a touque, you're going to have to shake out your hair if it was one of those stupid 'the snow heavy and flaky and goes all STICK' snows. Which tend to happen in spring, as it's warmer then. My first thought was this probably means she's magic. I mean, why else would she be STUNNING and have METAPHORICAL DESERVING HAIR and... burgundy eyes? Seriously, what the frick. "She was as tall as Nick, and Nick wasn't a short kid--but what caught his attention the most..." Jerking out of the narrative, how old is Nick to be noticing that she's stunning... if he's 12, or even 14 he might not really care and just go all HAH HAH SHE HAD TO WALK IN THE SNOW... if he's older than that, 16-up, yeah, he might be observing her hawtness. "was that this girl was stunning. Snow stuck to her long, dark hair, flakes in her eyelashes and on her jacket. She looked like manna from heaven." Well, since you were using a Moses metaphor, in a snowfall, that's probably a more approprate one... >.> "Nick stared into her uncertain burgundy eyes."

Beyond the bad choice of metaphor/snow doesn't do that, that irked me. You were overly wording that up. Your sentence about her eyes is INSANELY long--besides the color, which irks me in a MARY SUE ALERT way, but we'll ignore that for now... it's obvious you wrote the sentence to describe her eyes. The least choppy way of doing it, I think, would've been "She stared at him with uncertainty in her deep burgundy eyes." No Nick in that one. I think it makes the point best.

The other thing that irked me about this paragraph was "A girl." Fragment. Fragments can. Be used to make a point. If they're done right. They can all too easily be done wrong. It irks me because I use them stylistically at times, to drive home a point. But you didn't need to drive home the point, you already indicated it was a girl with 'a girl's voice called out from behind'. Just cut to 'She was as tall as Nick, and he wasn't a short kid, either'. Or whatever. Cut down the unnecessary words, build up the places where more are needed. There's no harm in describing things more, but describe realistically, leave the metaphorical language behind. The beginning could've been far more descriptive. Make your paragraphs longer.

Now, from the top.

1) Beginning with the weather is not necessarily a good idea.
2) Get your facts straight, there's a reason they say 'write what you know'. Because people who do know it will notice if you get it wrong.
3) Teenage boys don't really describe girls in their head as metaphors. From the boys I know, they go WOW, SHE'S HAWT.
4) Describe more! You wrote some short, clippy dialogue... not at all unnatural for how people will react... but no dialogue tags? "You dropped this," she said. It pins the dialogue to the write person.
5) I don't know what Nick looks like, why do I need to know what she looks like? Why did she have his keys? Is this important to your story, or is this just SCHOOL DRAMA <333333 ETC? Let's see, she's a transfer student, and she has magic powers, right? Description sounds ELF to me... and if you have a magic reason for the snow parting around her, surely he'd notice this isn't normal. But especially the tall. Let's say that in theory, Nick is 16. A tall 16 year old could be over six feet tall. This could stick her at about 6 feet tall. That's TALL. I only know two women that tall, most I know are around 5'4 or 5'6... it sticks her out as an anomoly.

So yeah, I agree with you, I found it was lacking. I found some of the points where it was lacking--as I approached it as 'school drama/slice of life'--could've fit into a fantasy plot to be. You write... you're CAPABLE of writing. You can capitalize and punctuate a sentence. I don't feel that I have to work with you on that. It's simply flat. I'd need more to critique as a whole, I was limited to what I seen here and critiquing these sentences alone. It's not much, but I hope covering all this gives you SOME ideas...

By no means is it horrible. It's just not really all that exciting. NICK DROPS HIS KEYS, now playing in a theatre near you.

It's not like your foundation is terrible and it all needs to be torn out and reworked. It's more like your spices are wrong so it doesn't taste that great, and maybe if you change them it'll be better. I'd really suggest getting to a writer's site to work with other novelists/short story writers, rather than seeking critique here... not that you won't get great critique for writing here too, but writers might see something that comic script writers wouldn't... who knows. Then again, there might be more writers here too, who also draw. Just a thought.

Anyway, my final verdict is this: it'd pass class as a writing assignment but it wouldn't be getting into a magazine like this. If I was reading without critique in mind, you probably would've lost me by the end of this post. It was boring. The dialogue was 'hi' 'how's the weather' 'weathery' 'yeah'. The description wasn't anything special. Nothing special happened. Play with your descriptions more--the dialogue felt normal, I guess... not really like kids, though, it felt more like adults--like she's an adult talking, she sounded like his mom... oh, snap, is she the teacher? That'd be a twist...but it was the descriptions where it fell flat for me. Build them up, and always keep in mind all five senses, not just sight.

It's snowing. It's cold. It's spring, his sleeves are probably damp and clinging to his arms. They're bundled in jackets and mom probably forced a scarf on him and it smells musty so he took it off as soon as he was down the block. The air tastes fresh and peppy, or maybe that's just the gum he's chewing...

There's lots you can build on... if this is just a slice of life story, you NEED to build on that, as you won't have FANTASY ACTION DRAMA to save your butt. Not that I wouldn't build on it in a fantasy story either, but in that case, I'd work at getting through the slow and boring and to the ACTION DRAMA EXCITEMENT. ;)

There you go. A critique that's probably longer than your post. :shifty:
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If you're planning to work on a story, characters are one of the first things you want to think about. Novel-wise, you want your characters to seems as real as yourself or a close friend.
Fortunately, I know of an excellent site for this: This site has become my bible for creating characters, whether it's for roleplaying or any story. hope it helps!
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Dreamaniaccomic wrote:characters to seems as real as yourself or a close friend
There's my problem. I don't really like people. I like keenspace, er, comicgenesis though. :)

I've restarted this story so many times that I wonder if it's even worth pursuing anymore :s
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KODAMA wrote:I've restarted this story so many times that I wonder if it's even worth pursuing anymore :s
Again, I suggest either a writing group or creative writing course. Both will help you get better.

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I'm in one right now and we're learning poems at the moment. I feel so silly in that class.. hahaha.
I hope it turns out to be handy in the end, because so far all it's taught me is "please don't write".
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Note: PLEASE don't take this as me being mean (there are times I want to be mean and this isn't it):

You: I hope it turns out to be handy in the end, because so far all it's taught me is "please don't write".

This may POSSIBLY be the end answer.

Like all talents, not everyone has a "writer" in them. I've taken drawing classes among other things and even with practice I can't draw worth anything, and my partner on our comic can't write. Together we complement each other well. With practice you'll get better, but it's possible that you might never get to the level that you're "good" in a quasi-professional sense.

Having said that -

From the sounds of it, you're still VERY early in determining whether writing is something that you'll be good at with time. Time and practice make EVERYONE better.

What do you like to read? Devour as many books and stories in your preferred genre as you can, and pay attention to things like grammar structure (fantasy, for example, is generally written in a completely different voice than True Crime), Plot structures, character development, etc.

Practice. One of the best ways to practice is to start small, but develop one specific area of your skill at a time. For example, if you're working on characterization, don't worry about the plot so much as describing the characters fully and showing how they interact (and it looks like you're off to a good start in that area at least). For developing plot arcs, try writing a short story and leave out character descriptives entirely (know them in your head, but don't bother trying to write them out) so you can work on things like pacing and the setting/conflict/climax/resolution mechanics. As you go, you start to put them together and you'll start to see results.

Currently in education there's a push for a thing called "6 trait writing". Basically it separates writing into six different components that can be individually practiced. The categories are: Ideas (the basic gist of what you want to present), Organization (order of ideas, usually relatively easy in a novel, although it does include things like chapter breakdowns and pacing), Voice (what makes you sound different than the other writers out there), Word Choice (focuses on picking vocabulary appropriate to your audience - I am totally capable of using mostly 5 syllable words BUT that puts most people off so I usually stick to common vocab), Sentence Fluency (how do the sentences sound when read? Do they flow well?), and Conventions (the mechanical crap like "where do the commas go?"). There's heaps of information on the web, the main bit is at http://www.nwrel.org/assessment/definit ... elay=0&d=1 (6 traits explained).

As with anything else - study and practice are the two keys. The more you understand writing the better you'll get (and by "study" I mean everything from reading about characterization to just plain reading things that are similar to what you want to write, not just studying conventions/grammar/vocab). Workshops and talking with people are invaluable, but make sure the help is semi-relevant. I write in the future fantasy genre, but I made the mistake early on of asking for critiques from someone who likes things that are a bit more realistic. No matter what I did, she just plain didn't like it. I started talking to people that are more into fantasy and scifi, and all the sudden I started getting better advice... most of them seemed to basically like what I was writing but had edits for me to make it better.

Keep working at it.

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Haha, yeah, this isn't making any damn sense.
I think I'll try storyboarding. That works better sometimes.
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If, as Grimm suggests, you want to focus on one part at a time, you might want to try, for example, writing a scene from a movie you like. The plot and dialogue are done for you, leaving you to focus on description. Also, something that helped me a lot with characterization is fan fiction - writing other people's characters. The only thing there is that you will need to spend time on the dialogue to make sure that it's exactly what that character would say there. It's perfect when the dialogue alone makes the reader imagine the correct character.

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Joel Fagin wrote:Also, something that helped me a lot with characterization is fan fiction - writing other people's characters.
Take this comment seriously. Fanfiction gets a bad rap due to all the people who self-insert their Mary Sue characters and make all the main characters love them or whatever... but it is an amazing writing tool for getting dialogue and description down without getting sidetracked by the world details. My best short stories have been Star Wars fanfictions, one with original characters (I was focusing on the characterization of these people and wanted to just go without worrying about creating a world for them) and one about two of the characters IN Star Wars, just sort of focusing on the writing aspects, rather than character, appearance, personality... Anakin has a personality already.

Fanfiction gives you the freedom to work on characterizing someone else's character, and getting their dialogue right, or the descriptions right, without hanging you up with details YOU have to create. I can describe Mos Eisley, I've seen the movie. Easy, easy. Yes, there's a ton of bad fanfiction, but when it comes down to it--fanfic is great practice for real writing.

Do pick a character you're comfortable writing, or if you do insert original characters, make sure they're believable instead of stealing the stage and going all LOVE ME I AM SO AMAZING AND MADE OF PERFECT. But seriously. Fanfiction is worth a try if you're having trouble with descriptions or some little thing, because the world and characters are already made. And you don't ever HAVE to post it.
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Metruis wrote: Do pick a character you're comfortable writing, or if you do insert original characters, make sure they're believable instead of stealing the stage and going all LOVE ME I AM SO AMAZING AND MADE OF PERFECT. But seriously. Fanfiction is worth a try if you're having trouble with descriptions or some little thing, because the world and characters are already made. And you don't ever HAVE to post it.
Very important note here: Omnipotence is boring as hell. It even gets boring after a while for the Omnipotent person. In order to create a good story, you must have CONFLICT. In order to create CONFLICT, your characters must struggle through their obstacles, and do it in a realistic sense if you want it to be entertaining. And in order for your characters to struggle, they must have flaws. These flaws can stretch the spectrum from physical disabilities to psychological disorders, but they must balance out the character's strengths. Don't give too many flaws to your character, though, as this will have the same effect as a perfect character. Really, characters and the story can be summed up in this quote:
"As Writers, it is our duty to create Loveable, enticing characters, and do Terrible, Horrendous things to Them."
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Most of the specific stuff's been said, so here's the general stuff: this story could go in any direction. No, your dialogue isn't genius (although some of your descriptions are entertaining), but it's gotta be in context. With enough expression in drawing, dialogue can become quite meaningful. I see myself as more a writer than a drawer, and I hesitate to pass any judgment on this beyond the fact that you're in your early to mid-teens.
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