ADA HATES ANIME!?!

Rann · Post by **Rann** » Fri Nov 16, 2001 2:27 am

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by BJ:
You've been raspberried, anime style!And Lord of the Rings IS a piece of crap. I tried reading it, and found it about as engaging as a piece of dental floss. It has to be one of the most self-important, overblown pieces of literature out there.And you know what? That's my OPINION. One of my best friends holds it in the highest regard, and I value his opinion. It doesn't make me like the book, but I have to take it on faith that there's some value in it, even though I don't see it.What ruined Star Wars Episode One, apart from a missing plot? It took itself waaay too seriously. You just can't. Not even anime takes itself seriously (Otaku No Video, anyone?).And comparing fandom to an ethnic group isn't too accurate. Maybe you should compare fandom to people who prefer Ford or Chevrolet, SUVs or sports cars, the Packers or the Vikings, Seinfeld or the Drew Carey Show, Jay Leno or Dave Letterman, heavy metal (Joey) or industrial (me)...the list goes on. These are all personal preferences, and all of us have different ones.Me? I like anime, and I like Disney. Go figure. I'm still gonna take jabs at both of 'em. This isn't the <A HREF="http://jackiesfridge.keenspace.com/d/20010406.html" TARGET=_blank>first time</A>, you know.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Well, to some extent, I agree on Lord of the Rings. I thought it was boring, long-winded, and could have been quite easily condensed into one long novel. Probably should have been. The Hobbit was good, but Tolkien seems to have been one of the first to prove how hard it is for the sequel to outdo the original.Episode I sucked for a plethora of reasons, and I don't think any of them were it taking itself seriously. If anything, it didn't take itself seriously enough, thus what many refer to as its "true" title: Anakin's Big Space Adventure.As to comparing race and fandom, it's not quite as different as you might think. I was watching a documentary about vaudeville on public television, with a focus on the number of performers who worked in blackface. Basically, they had come up with this stereotype that black people were simple people whose real, true happiness came from performing for white people.
Basically, during the time, this was the only way black people could really be portrayed on the stage. Black people on the stage often put on blackface makeup, just like the white performers! And any black performers that did dare to take themselves seriously, wear nice, tasteful suits and sing about anything other than dinner and watermelon and so on, were denied opportunities that the black performers who "laughed at themselves" were. Basically, if they didn't embody the stereotype about them, they couldn't work.While I'm not comparing the thoughts about anime fans to the struggle against racism, I'm just trying to draw a parallel. Yes, there are the visions of the fat, unwashed fanboy wandering around trying for twisted hentai art commissions (those who attend cons may be familiar with "Captain Oogy") and the heavyset woman (or man) in Sailor Senshi fuku. But I think the problem is when it gets to where almost every portrayal of an anime fan is like this. Where that's practically all you see of them.
So, why shouldn't we take ourselves seriously? People who work to make conventions happen REALLY WORK, practically killing themselves to set things up, and the artists and sellers often put a considerable chunk of money on the line to get themselves there and set up shop. Even the fans that attend may put themselves through hell and high water to get there and enjoy what they love with other people that love it. So I think anime conventioneers deserve to take themselves at least a bit seriously.
Poe recently did an anime convention storyline in Exploitation Now. And while he did have a lot of stereotypes like the unwashed fanboy and the men in Senshi fukus, what I thought was great about it was that you also saw attractive, normal people attending the convention. In particular, Jordan being an anime fan is great, I think. ^^ She's pretty, intelligent, and confident in herself, so her being an anime fan is like an ego boost. ... Not to mention the fact that she actually builds anime stuff! Heheheh.Oh, and to wrap up, to further explain a bida... Japanese kids make that sound when they stick their tongues out, kind of like kids in America and other anglo countries go "Phbbt!" It is often accompanied by pulling down one eyelid, to make more of a face.
BIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIDA! ;p Heheheheh.
(Aiya, I need to stop making sociological rants at 4:30 in the frikkin' morning...)------------------
- Rann Aridorn
"Do I have a little 'take a number' sign on me somewhere, or something?"

ZOMBIE USER 195 · Post by **ZOMBIE USER 195** » Fri Nov 16, 2001 2:37 am

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Meteo:
For those who hate anim

Cannonshop · Post by **Cannonshop** » Fri Nov 16, 2001 4:10 am

Hey, my sister hates Anime. It isn't that unusual a trait in the female population, I've found.
I also found that it was a good bit of irony, esp. considering the comments made during the JF/TS crossover ("...Anime Chicks" anyone?), so, maybe someone IStaking themselves Too seriously, eh?

Allan_ecker · Post by **Allan_ecker** » Fri Nov 16, 2001 6:17 am

I think EVERYONE takes themselves too seriously. Have a pixie stick! On me!Hey, that tickles!..I didn't tell you to stop.Thaaaats better.Ahem.Now, where was I? Oh yes, seriousness, don't.I mean, isn't the world serious enough without fan factions yelling at each other for not liking this or that, even to the point of lableing each other with stereotypes?To be fair, that WAS a little harsh as far as punchlines usually go around here, but "seriously", let's give him a break. Everyone's comic get's a little mean every now and then. Ozy and Millie, even. I mean, like, dude.And I can't pass judgement on Sailor Moon because I haven't seen it, but it DOES look pretty damning to us outsiders, who basically see scantily clad schoolgirls who are sometimes even more scantily clad superheroes.------------------
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Jackiesfridge · Post by **Jackiesfridge** » Fri Nov 16, 2001 6:35 am

Let's end this now.Point 1: Freddy is a dick. Look at what he did to Ada - bumped her room which she has reserved two months in advance so he could have one extra room for cenventioneers. OBVIOUSLY a dickish thing to do.Point 2: Do you really CARE how a dick like Freddy feels about the subject? Does anyone?Point 3: ADA doesn't like anime. SHE didn't say anything about not liking PEOPLE who like anime. And for those of you who are ready to write her off, after almost 18 months of getting to know her and love her, JUST because she doesn't like a particular form of animation, shame on you.Point 4: Does BJ REALLY need to put a disclaimer on his website that states "The opinions of each and every character in this comic do not necessarily reflect the opinions of the creator", or can we just assume that, read the story as we always have, and not go ballistic at every assumed slight? I mean dear GOD, what are you going to do when we finally get to know Carl, the king Dick of Dick Mountain? Are we going to lambast BJ for every insensitive thing Carl says, too?Please, get over it, and go back to enjoying BJ's story.-Shannon

Allan_ecker · Post by **Allan_ecker** » Fri Nov 16, 2001 6:44 am

-initiate dog wonder voice-Thanks for the sanity, JF!-dog wonder voice cancel-

ZOMBIE USER 1304 · Post by **ZOMBIE USER 1304** » Fri Nov 16, 2001 7:43 am

well said Shannon~jason

DocMan · Post by **DocMan** » Fri Nov 16, 2001 8:06 am

You asked, so I'm answering. <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Rann:
You know, WHY do people think it's so frelling important to "laugh at yourself"?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Because it is. It's one of the small things that let us go through life without something in our heads going snap and causing us to climb high towers with powerful rifles and take pot shots at passing traffic. And it works better and is cheaper than psychotherepy. <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> If someone had said "Lord of the Rings is a piece of crap, it should be abolished from printing presses forever" and some people jumped up to defend it, then you wouldn't hear anyone talking about it having a "violent cult status", they'd be "defending a great classic".<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Actually, the Lord of the Rings does have cult status, although I'm not sure they'd be classed as viloent. Well, except maybe the re-enactors...But that has very little to do with your original post of protest. You didn't complain that Ada hadn't given anime a fair try, you complained that BJ put something in a strip that you found personally insulting. And then you told BJ not to do it again. As if he lives to craft the strip to your personal satisfaction. But more to the point, Rann, you reacted as if something in the strip was aimed specificly at you. That's not BJ's fault. You're the one who made the connection between the worst that fandom has to offer (because people only tell stories about the worst ones, the good ones don't get noticed because they're good) and yourself.Look, any time you become a part of a subculture, you've got to accept that there are some pretty flaky people in that subculture and those few people will be the image that the rest of the world identifies you with.For example, I ride a motorcycle. That's one sub-culture. It's a cruiser style bike. That's a second sub-culture. It's a Harley (yay, me!). That's a third. A lot of people still think that anyone who rides a motorcycle is a criminal. They're all "outlaw bikers" who sell drugs, rape women, and distroy small midwestern towns when they throw a party. There used to be people like this. They consisted at most of 1% of the total motorcyclists on the road. If I were to get upset about something someone said about a 1%er, I'd be identifying myself with the insult. Since I'm completely unlike that, I just ignore them.And we won't even get into "Harley riders don't wave", or "Anyone with a new bike is a RUB." It's funny. You just have to laugh at outsider's misconceptions. <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Anyway, just... stop it. It's not fair that whenever someone makes a joke about a fandom or group or race and someone from that fandom or group or race protests, that they can just be told to "learn to laugh at yourself". Unless I'm telling a joke, I don't think I'm all that funny.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Rann, you're missing the point. The joke isn't about YOU. It's about people that you may hang out with. They're the funny ones.Doc

Joshnickerson · Post by **Joshnickerson** » Fri Nov 16, 2001 8:25 am

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Meteo:

Do not judge anim

ZOMBIE USER 537 · Post by **ZOMBIE USER 537** » Fri Nov 16, 2001 11:30 am

randomOn the changing sheets joke:After going to anime cons myself, I have seen these types of people most often:Male
Overweight
Poor Hygiene
Obessive
clueless
(hitting on me when I didn't look attached)The second type is the same only cross dressed and/or pre/post transvestite.Don't forget, anime cons have ddr now and the above type or people don't know what deoderant is.*air I need air*The third type is:
clueless
mainsteamer
male or female
likes only one show such as Sailor Moon/ Dragon Ball or DBZ
( at the cons I went to, there was nothing there for those types) *points and laughs*I personally like anime and going to cons, it's just no matter what type of gathering you go to, you'll find a certain set of people which will typically go.(why is there a disproportionate amount of left handed people in the EE department??)/random

Octapus_E · Post by **Octapus_E** » Fri Nov 16, 2001 11:43 am

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by jackiesfridge:
...Carl, the king Dick of Dick Mountain...
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Is it just me, or is that a really funny thing to say? That should be added to Carl's character profile. <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>
Please, get over it, and go back to enjoying BJ's story.-Shannon<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Here, here.BJ, you've done good, it's a great story with characters that we like and identify with so strongly it surpirses us when we're remeinded that they aren't us, or whatever.
Now: I have to wait *all weekend* to find out what pig-evil thing happens to poor Ada next? Dang. -Octapus_E
-Ms. Fochs, We're sorry but the only place with any rooms left is the old Bates place. You'll like it, it's family run.

Allan_ecker · Post by **Allan_ecker** » Fri Nov 16, 2001 12:23 pm

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Sheseala:
Why is there a disproportionate amount of left handed people in the EE department??
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I'll feild that one.Left-handed people are typicaly right-brained.So, you're thinking, what are creative types doing in Electrical Engineering? Well, EE majors are more creative than you'd think! I have a friend named Gerald (a fellow EE) who paints miniatures in his spare time. Talk about off the wall!And look at me! I'm an EE undergrad, but I write/draw a comic strip, sing (poorly), dance (worse), and write (less poorly).I'm ambidextrous myself. <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspace.com/forums/biggrin.gif">

Rann · Post by **Rann** » Fri Nov 16, 2001 12:59 pm

Er, DocMan, I dare you to find one quote where I told BJ "not to do it again" and acted as if he lived to craft the comic to my personal specifications.
I offered my opinion on a strip, and that opinion happened to be negative. I'm sorry, but I refuse to turn into one of those sycophantic forumers that will only give unwavering adoration to the artist in whose forum they speak, and only allow it from other posters. If I wanted that, I could have stayed in the PVP Forums where Kurtz is worshipped as a god and anyone that thinks differently than he does must be run off the forums.
If I didn't respect BJ, you can bet I wouldn't be making points and saying "I didn't like this, I think you can do better". I'd be ripping him a new one and insulting his ancestry.
I converse with a number of my fellow writers, and I know for a fact that the GOOD ONES prefer it when I'm honest and tell them I don't like something, and I prefer the same.
So I'm sorry, but I refuse to worship every Jackie's Fridge strip just because it's Jackie's Fridge. I reserve the right to my opinion, and I STILL didn't like the strip in question.
You'll note that I never said BJ was trying to destroy anime fandom or something like that. I just said I didn't like the strip and thought it was insulting. And you'll note, DocMan, that the hotel manager does not take the time to make distinctions that this is "the worst of the fandom", but implies that it is EVERY SINGLE PERSON that stays at that hotel. And why should I laugh at the people I hang out with, too? I like the people I hang out with. While you may be part of this "machismo" group dynamic where everyone insults everyone else and laughs at their misfortunes, I don't care to.
People who constantly say "laugh at yourself" obviously never had a childhood roughly paralleling Charlie Brown's, and probably think Peanuts is a laugh riot.------------------
- Rann Aridorn
"Do I have a little 'take a number' sign on me somewhere, or something?"

DukeNuke · Post by **DukeNuke** » Sun Nov 18, 2001 6:27 am

There's a reason I usually stay out of these arguements, but I'm going to voice my opinion.There's good anime, bad anime, and untouchable anime.I like anime. I like American Animation (especially if people with the last names of "Dini," "Timm," and "Tartakovsky" are helping to make it.) as well. Other people like anime. Most of them don't like American Animation because it's American. Those people suck. Other people like both. That's cool. Some people watch some anime and don't really like it for some reason or another OTHER than it being anime. That's cool too. In conclusion: People like anime. Other people don't like anime. Simple as that. Now time to stop arguing. <IMG SRC="http://www.angelfire.com/games/extremeg ... s/DUKE.art">
Duke just realized this will probably start up a brand new arguement.------------------
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Michael Martin · Post by **Michael Martin** » Sun Nov 18, 2001 10:02 am

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Rann:
"American xenophilia"? What the hell? Americans are xenophobic if anything, despite the "melting pot" terminology.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>*ahem* Americans think that American stuff sucks. Imports get bonus points just for being imports. Different is good. New is good. Alien is good. This is an American thing. <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally composed by Tom Lehrer:
As long as you don't let them in your school!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>--Michael------------------
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Meteo · Post by **Meteo** » Sun Nov 18, 2001 10:59 am

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by joshnickerson:
 Hey, I LIKE Pokemon!

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I would rather Pok

BJ · Post by BJ » Mon Nov 19, 2001 3:21 am

Thank you, Doc. I've never been that coherant in my life.------------------
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DukeNuke · Post by **DukeNuke** » Mon Nov 19, 2001 8:02 am

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Rann:
 Well, see, you need a sig that's not practically guaranteed to be longer than the messages you post. ^^;; Then we'll know to call you "Duke" instead of just skipping over the broken picture link and all that other stuff.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
First off, it's not broken. The pic is in an .art file. I don't want to change it to a .gif because Angelfire will probably block it, and I don't know of any other place that will let me show it.Second, you should read my sig every single time, especially that part about fanfic paradise, click on that.Third, you think my sig is long? Go over to <a href="http://www.dmgice.com/BBS">DMG Ice Forums</a> to see some long signatures. <IMG SRC="http://www.angelfire.com/games/extremeg ... s/DUKE.art">
Duke can see Duke's picture just fine. If you want to see it, head over to <a href="http://www.livejournal.com/users/dnukem170">Duke's Live Journal</a>.------------------
Duke. Call me Duke."Even dogs should not be forced to work like dogs!"-Jack from Samurai Jack, Genndy Tartakovsky's newest kick-ass show. <A HREF="http://www.angelfire.com/ego/andthen/" TARGET=_blank>Andthen...Fanfiction</A> Ah. Fanfic Paradise.Duke's wish right now: For a Game Cube and many, many games. Oh, and lots of cash.Duke's Question of the post: Why do people like the overpriced X-Box so much?Shout out: If anyone has any anime-related (doesn't matter which anime) or original fanfics, please send them to <A HREF="mailto:chaotickaoz@hotmail.com">chaotickaoz@hotmail.com</A> so he can put it up on <A HREF="http://www.angelfire.com/ego/andthen/" TARGET=_blank>Andthen...Fanfiction</A>! (If anyone has been to my site, they know what I'm talking about.)

ZOMBIE USER 537 · Post by **ZOMBIE USER 537** » Mon Nov 19, 2001 8:23 am

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Rann:
 *flat tone* Gee, attempting to pick up a woman who's not already with someone. How moronic can some guys GET?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Sorry, I could have phrased that better, it was more like when my boyfriend dissappeared, a random guy with B.O magically appeared to fill the void. Anywho, guys never hit on me. I'm too weird.

DukeNuke · Post by **DukeNuke** » Mon Nov 19, 2001 9:24 am

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Meteo:
DukeNuke, Tartakovsky rules.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>::Keeps wondering why everyone calls him by his screen name instead of just Duke:: <IMG SRC="http://www.angelfire.com/games/extremeg ... s/DUKE.art">
This Duke was created from a Pok