Ahhh...Dumb Question Time from WP

Ahhh...Dumb Question Time from WP

Postby ZOMBIE USER 7666 on Wed Jan 22, 2003 2:50 am

Scott? You know that I like the dress design that Jenny's wearing--old fashion design with a lot of class and a hint of contemporary design. However, I'm confused as to why there's a red triangle on the back?
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Re: Ahhh...Dumb Question Time from WP

Postby Nebulous Rikulau on Wed Jan 22, 2003 4:09 am

whitepony wrote:Scott? You know that I like the dress design that Jenny's wearing--old fashion design with a lot of class and a hint of contemporary design. However, I'm confused as to why there's a red triangle on the back?


It's not a triangle. It's the logo of her airfield, Bali Hai Aviation.


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Re: Ahhh...Dumb Question Time from WP

Postby Kellogg on Wed Jan 22, 2003 7:49 am

whitepony wrote:Scott? You know that I like the dress design that Jenny's wearing--old fashion design with a lot of class and a hint of contemporary design. However, I'm confused as to why there's a red triangle on the back?


Nope not a dumb question. Just a subtle design influence. :)

Nebulous is right. It's the logo of Bali Hai Aviation.
And, hopefully, when Keenspace deigns to come back online,
the link he's put up will show it better (or worse, since that's an
old old drawing. :oops: )

Design wise, it's a stylized drawing of the airstrip in Hawaii
where her family got Bali Hai Aviation started doing inter-island
air taxi, and sight seeing service. When Jenny got a job at
the Spaceport, she brought some of the family business with her,
and set up at El Coyote airport in Rachal, TX. (In 2003, El Coyote
is just a private strip on a ranch, but by 2066, the area has seen
considerable development from the spaceport being built near
there.)

At the moment, the branch is just getting started, but as flight
schools go, it should grow well, considering the number of folks
interested in flying, who work at the spaceport. Ivan, the Russian
bear of an instructor and mechanic there (who appeared a while
back in the Hurricane Liska story) is an experienced flight
instructor, but he hasn't got his instructor's liscence just yet
here in the States. Soon though. Basically, he'll be running the
place for her, as she seems to have her hands full with other stuff
at the moment.

If you're wondering where all this comes from, this is what Mark
Stanley refers to as "Under the hood". Details that aren't likely to
come up in the story, but they're there to help explain a few things.

As long as I'm going into full detail, I may as well admit that I came
up with the red arrow logo, while trying to draw a Cessna Logo from
a very memory. :)

Anyway, that ought to answer a few things and a half. :D

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Postby Kellogg on Wed Jan 22, 2003 8:17 am

PS.

As long as I'm going on about stuff that's under the hood, I'll mention
that Jenny was born in Alberta, Canada where her Aunt Liska lives in
a strange nudist colony, but her family skulk moved to Hawaii soon
afterward to start Bali Hai Aviation. :P

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Postby Matt Trepal on Wed Jan 22, 2003 7:06 pm

Since the 'Space has blarged today, those of you who don't have the hi-rez site bookmarked (such as myself; Scott had to point me towards the URL) can go here: http://www.hirezfox.com/21cf/index.html to see what everyone is talking about. Knowing the forum regulars here, though, you've all no doubt got that site bookmarked, and therefore have seen the strip already.

Scott, I really like how you have Jenny's head turning in the second panel. These sorts of "non-standard" positions are the sorts of things that I'm only figuring out how to do, myself. Excellent job!
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Logo Design

Postby ZOMBIE USER 7666 on Thu Jan 23, 2003 4:26 pm

Okay, gotcha...but why would Jenny wear a Logo on such a beautiful outfit?

"Excuse me Miss?"

"Yes Officer?"

"We're the Fashion Police...you're under arrest."

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Postby Hortmage on Thu Jan 23, 2003 5:08 pm

Kellogg wrote:PS.

As long as I'm going on about stuff that's under the hood, I'll mention
that Jenny was born in Alberta, Canada where her Aunt Liska lives in
a strange nudist colony, but her family skulk moved to Hawaii soon
afterward to start Bali Hai Aviation. :P

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Kewl!

Um...any chance of you drawing a family reunion at the old homestead???

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Postby Mako on Thu Jan 23, 2003 8:57 pm

Hortmage wrote:
Kewl!

Um...any chance of you drawing a family reunion at the old homestead???

:roll: :lol:


I dunno if poor Skippy's heart could take another vixen being around :o :)

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Jenny's Outfit

Postby ZOMBIE USER 7666 on Fri Jan 24, 2003 10:11 am

Scott?

Am I correct that Jenny is wearing a white ruffle blouse under a blue jacket?
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Re: Jenny's Outfit

Postby Mako on Fri Jan 24, 2003 10:58 am

whitepony wrote:Scott?

Am I correct that Jenny is wearing a white ruffle blouse under a blue jacket?


I'm not Scott, but I play one on TV ;-)

Looking at the 1/22 image on http://www.hirezfox.com/21cf/index.html , I don't think so. Galore however is definitely wearing a ruffled blouse under her jacket.

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Jacket or Blouse

Postby ZOMBIE USER 7666 on Fri Jan 24, 2003 11:34 am

In the second panel of January 22nd, of Scott's "21st Century Fox," I noticed what appears to be her white blouse tucked into her skirt and the bottom edge of her blue jacket over-lapping her blue skirt.

If this is correct, in showing Jenny wearing a blue jacket over her white blouse, then she has an excellent tailor. :D

I hope no-one is offended in any way--I mean no disrespect at all. I just noted that Scott might like to see an alternative to her beautiful blue outfit design. :)
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Jenny's Jewelry

Postby ZOMBIE USER 7666 on Fri Jan 24, 2003 12:34 pm

I was spending some time going back and looking through the High Rez versions of Scott's "21st Century Fox" strips and discovered that Jenny is actually wearing a piece of jewelry around her neck. Example: the third and fourth panel of December 27, 2002. I was mistaken and thought the jewelry were ruffles on her white blouse. Oops, my bad. So it might be possible that what I thought was a high collar, white blouse with ruffles (no potato chip jokes please :) ) may actually be a high collar, turtle neck shirt under her blue jacket. Hmmm...now the question is what kind of jewelry is she wearing?
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Re: Jenny's Jewelry

Postby Mako on Fri Jan 24, 2003 3:25 pm

whitepony wrote:I was spending some time going back and looking through the High Rez versions of Scott's "21st Century Fox" strips and discovered that Jenny is actually wearing a piece of jewelry around her neck. Example: the third and fourth panel of December 27, 2002. I was mistaken and thought the jewelry were ruffles on her white blouse. Oops, my bad. So it might be possible that what I thought was a high collar, white blouse with ruffles (no potato chip jokes please :) ) may actually be a high collar, turtle neck shirt under her blue jacket. Hmmm...now the question is what kind of jewelry is she wearing?


Ah, now this Scott has mentioned...

It's a diamond necklace. Jenny created the Diamonds as her senior year college engineering project :)

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Postby ZOMBIE USER 7666 on Fri Jan 24, 2003 5:40 pm

Thank you Mako... :)

Is there a closeup drawing of Jenny's diamond necklace? Nearly all of Scott's drawing of her necklace just show a series of round circles connected in a one, two, three, two, one design; starting from the collar down. I'm now under the impression that the diamonds are compressed flat wafers. If so, they're rather fascinating diamonds and would be a challenge to draw.

Any suggestions?
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Re: Jenny's Jewelry

Postby Mako on Fri Jan 24, 2003 6:54 pm

whitepony wrote:Thank you Mako... :)

Is there a closeup drawing of Jenny's diamond necklace? Nearly all of Scott's drawing of her necklace just show a series of round circles connected in a one, two, three, two, one design; starting from the collar down. I'm now under the impression that the diamonds are compressed flat wafers. If so, they're rather fascinating diamonds and would be a challenge to draw.

Any suggestions?


Errf. Until Scott's modem technical glitches are fixed, I"ll go out on a limb and suggest you look at his art gallery for more examples of Jenny's necklace. That assumes KS gets the server off it's duff first though :-/

Until then I'm afraid the HRF site is the best reference material that I can think of...

Ahha! Scott does have a backup site somewhere, I don't have the url on this machine though. Anyone got it handy???

There may/not be some artwork there as well...?

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Postby Kellogg on Sat Jan 25, 2003 6:42 am

(I wrote this late last night, just as Keenspace went under.)

Hiya,

Jenny normally wears a white, high collared (somewhat Victorian)
blouse under her flight jacket.

I think the only time I've ever drawn her wearing it without a
jacket on top was back in March or so of last year:
http://techfox.keenspace.com/d/20020313.html
but I don't think I did a very good job of it detail wise.

(Let's face it, drawing a lacy Victorian blouse isn't exactly
easy. It gets simplified when I draw it. A Lot. She also
tends to wear a lei when she can get them delivered fresh.
Being on the road for a while, her lei wilted and she did
without. (Or maybe the artist got lazy trying to figure out
how to draw her necklace, a lei and all the lines of her
blouse and jacket and get it to look right.))

Jenny, being more tom-boy (errr... tom-dog-fox-cub) at heart
gets her fashion advice from Beth, who has rather regal tastes.
So her style gets to be a little bit of mix and match that reflects
her mix of personality, part victorian lady, part pilot, part island
girl.

The diamond necklace consists of 12 identical diamonds, each
about an inch or so in diameter. They're not quite flat, but
double conical crystals. (I should really look up the crystal
structure of just what angle they'd be at, but they should be
about an inch in diameter and 1/3rd of an inch thick in the
center where the two cones reach a point. The necklace is not
solid, but flexible between the stones, though, I haven't exactly
figured out how it's held together.

Hope this all makes sence! I'm about to keel over. Past
bedtime here! :)

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Postby ZOMBIE USER 7666 on Sat Jan 25, 2003 5:07 pm

Kellogg wrote:Jenny normally wears a white, high collared (somewhat Victorian) blouse under her flight jacket.

Noted...

(Let's face it, drawing a lacy Victorian blouse isn't exactly
easy. It gets simplified when I draw it. A Lot. She also
tends to wear a lei when she can get them delivered fresh.
Being on the road for a while, her lei wilted and she did
without. (Or maybe the artist got lazy trying to figure out
how to draw her necklace, a lei and all the lines of her
blouse and jacket and get it to look right.))

LOL...I understand that very well.

The diamond necklace consists of 12 identical diamonds, each
about an inch or so in diameter. They're not quite flat, but
double conical crystals. (I should really look up the crystal
structure of just what angle they'd be at, but they should be
about an inch in diameter and 1/3rd of an inch thick in the
center where the two cones reach a point. The necklace is not
solid, but flexible between the stones, though, I haven't exactly
figured out how it's held together.
Now here is where it gets difficult to understand the design.
You mention 12 identical diamonds--I count 9:
    one in the upper row,
    two in the second row,
    three in the third row,
    two in the fourth row
    and one in the last bottom row.
Are the other three in the collar around her neck?

I spent nearly an hour searching the internet, trying to find a flat, round, double conical diamond. I'm not sure I'm visualizing it correctly. Is there a reference picture somewhere out there? I think I may have figured out the flexible joint connections between the one inch mounting brackets that would hold each diamond.
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Postby Kellogg on Sat Jan 25, 2003 10:27 pm

whitepony wrote:You mention 12 identical diamonds--I count 9:


Oh, that's an easy one to solve:

I can't count. There are 9. :oops:

I spent nearly an hour searching the internet, trying to find a flat, round, double conical diamond. I'm not sure I'm visualizing it correctly. Is there a reference picture somewhere out there?


Just imagine something like the lens of a magnifying glass and you've
about got it. There are facets to the diamonds, but I'm not sure how
many there are in a normal diamond. :oops:

Ooo... Bedtime. :D
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Postby ZOMBIE USER 7666 on Sun Jan 26, 2003 3:09 am

Kellogg wrote:
whitepony wrote:You mention 12 identical diamonds--I count 9:


Oh, that's an easy one to solve:

I can't count. There are 9. :oops:

Silly...:D
Kellogg wrote:
whitepony wrote:I spent nearly an hour searching the internet, trying to find a flat, round, double conical diamond. I'm not sure I'm visualizing it correctly. Is there a reference picture somewhere out there?


Just imagine something like the lens of a magnifying glass and you've
about got it. There are facets to the diamonds, but I'm not sure how
many there are in a normal diamond. :oops:
I did find one cut called the "Princess" cut that was beautiful in appearance. Drawing that would be really difficult though.
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Postby ZOMBIE USER 6611 on Sun Jan 26, 2003 10:42 am

whitepony wrote:I did find one cut called the "Princess" cut that was beautiful in appearance. Drawing that would be really difficult though.
There is an article in the current (February 03) Scientific American that details the manufacturing processes of synthetic diamonds, and discusses the propietary technique used by a company called Debeers.

Sounds familiar, somehow... ;)

There are some images, but better diamond imagery is to be found on the 'Net.

Curiously, the article makes two contradictory statements:

(1) There is absolutely no difference, down to the atomic layer, between natural diamonds and synthetic ones made with the new techniques,

(2) Natural diamonds have a diamond-shaped crystal structure; synthetic ones have a square crystal structure.

These statements cannot both be true. I am still jamming on other matters, but will look into this later.
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