Kerry Skydancer wrote: Lazerus wrote: BrockthePaine wrote:
Lazerus wrote:France isn't socialist, their so socialist their effectivly communist. That's a whole different ball of wax.
The difference between socialism and communism is methodology: socialists pass laws, while communists pass laws and then arrests anybody who dares dissent. Not, per se "pure" communism where everything is supposed to be happy bunnies and chocolate cream pies for everybody, but the way communism works out in the real world.
I have always been of the opinion that the only difference between Communism and Socialism is that the Socialists don't have all the guns yet.
So if France is not a good example of a socialist country, what is?
No, it's a matter of scale you twit. Pointing at france and saying socailism is bad is like pointing at a drowning man and saying water is bad. Any idea taken to extremes is stupid.
It's more like pointing at a man dying of cyanide poisoning and saying that cyanide is bad. Socialism is -toxic-, even in small doses. Water isn't.
Yessss. That's right, because post-industrial revolution Britian proved that well. Man, it was a paradise, what with all the unregulated captialism and all. It's a wonder the idea of socialism was written at all in such an enviroment.
I mean really, given the number of kids who had their fingers mangled in machine presses, I'm amazed someone was able to write it down at all.
Oh, and the total lack of public utilites, regulations, or public schooling? Those work together great
! See, you won't even notice that you can't read or write when you drop dead from lead posioning and cancer at age 16.
And the "safe dose" of socialism, you cretin, is the minimum amount needed to promote the economy. Too little, or none, and the society quickly devlops a huge rich-poor gap, becomes unstable, and leads to general misery and eventual revolution. Too much, and you get, well, France.
Any engineer will tell you the bigger a system gets, the more complicated it gets. Complication indexes failure, especially when a system gets to the point where no one person can understand the complete system.
That's the core problem with socialism.
That's communism. Your one braincell is making a herculean effort there, kudos to the little guy, but you need to look at more then the ism on the end. Socialism does not involve top-down control of the economy.
We should have universal education to College level. Well, that sounds nice, but who's going to pay for it? Oh, and let's add on a War on Poverty. And Universal health care, and universal housing, and universal car ownership and before long we've got universal poneys for every little girl that wants one.
Of course I'm stretching things to their absurd level to illistrate with humor. Where does it stop? How much is too much? For me, I think the Founding Fathers pretty much hit the nail on the head. Provide for the common defense, ensure domestic tranquility, print up a common method of exchange and STOP.
Government isn't our Mommy. Government, at best, is a referee in the game of life. It's a hard lesson from Confusius, but it's true.
Communism, not Socialism. You are the weakest link, goodbye.
"No matter where you are in life, you are exactly where you want to be."
Okay, tell you what. I'll drop you down in society, you can't read because there's no schools, your dying of lead posioning because you can't afford bottled water and have to drink from the poluted streams, and you have mangled fingers and a horrible speach impediment from all the times you got parts of your body crushed in a machine.
Lets see YOU stuggle to the top.