Invasion of the Seven Villages
Posted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 10:40 am
Not that I am proposing this, but what if President Bush were to invade the Seven Villages? Who would win?
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Leaving the current attitude toward immigration firmly aside, (after all, we can't really get by without all those eager folks from Mexico working our fields), it's pretty easy to imagine.Kerry Skydancer wrote:I'm tempted to take you literally, and say that one human couldn't possibly beat the entire Racconnan society.
First we need to know -why- such a thing would occur even if it were theoretically possible. The Villages would make a great trading partner. We'd be more likely to encourage immigration from them if they're overpopulated.
You forgot three-sub-a... Rac'coonian healers drafted into service to heal humans whose science can't, Rac'coonian mages (any who might have survived) drafted into the American military ("You're a weapon. You'll serve us."), Rac'coonians who show abilities in handling/shaping animals and crops pressed into service to improve American agriculture, and Rac'coonian seers pressed into the CIA, NSA, and military intelligence (imagine how easy it would have been to get Osama if you have a seer to do a little mind raping of captured Alqida members...)Wanderwolf wrote:#2 is likely, assuming all goes well. If things go badly, however, #3 is incredibly probable.
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Wanderwolf wrote:
Leaving the current attitude toward immigration firmly aside, (after all, we can't really get by without all those eager folks from Mexico working our fields), it's pretty easy to imagine.
I'd have thought your sense of human comraderie would be enough to do that.RHJunior wrote:Holy Christ keep me from KILLING these imbeciles with my bare hands.
Not always, RH.. I remember various members of my family swearing that THEY didn't work so hard to get ahead in America just to see THEIR children demeaning themselves by doing common stoop labor! A natural born American ortah be above thet, don'cha know!RHJunior wrote:Wanderwolf wrote:
Leaving the current attitude toward immigration firmly aside, (after all, we can't really get by without all those eager folks from Mexico working our fields), it's pretty easy to imagine.
Okay, you asked for it.
1)we don't "need" them to work our fields. We have literally millions of LEGAL AMERICAN CITIZENS who are available for work like that.
And shovel me no horsecrap about "no American would work for those wages." One, yes many of them would. TWO, noone is supposed to work for that little in this country anyway. IT'S A CRIME.<I>that's why we have those minimum wage laws y'all bitched and whined for.</i> So quit trying to accommodate the tax-cheating, social-security cheating, employee welfare dodging employers who are exploiting criminal labor to save themselves a buck.
*blinks*shyal_malkes wrote:I'd have thought your sense of human comraderie would be enough to do that.RHJunior wrote:Holy Christ keep me from KILLING these imbeciles with my bare hands.
On the other paw, the high-tech "toys" were very useful in Gulf War I; we had Iraqi soldiers surrendering to the spotter drone we used to sight in the bombers. We destroyed whole platoons that thought they could pull the "We surrender... NOT!" trick on our chopper crews.kitwulfen wrote:If the Bush Administration were to try it, then they would fail to "invade." Certainly, they could glass the place, and they probably would. However, the Bush Administration (and several other Administrations in our history) has a stupid habit of investing in all the high-tech toys they can. They fail to realize that you win wars by having boots in the mud, not planes in the sky. We bombed Germany all the time, didn't mean we'd won the war.
<rolls eyes> "Actual enforcement"? What, having armed guards at the border isn't enough? Having barbed wire, disease-filled trenches and guard dogs isn't enough? Making it so hard to get in that 500 people died trying to get in last year alone isn't enough?kitwulfen wrote:As for illegal immigrants... well, they're people from a foreign country who are invading our country. If it was up to me, I don't know that I would even give them a warning shot. With the unfortunately PC world we live in, a wall and some actual enforcement would be good.
That is quite a backlog, but are those really relevant to immigration? The usual modus in my experience is to apply for permanent resident status with work permit (considerably easier than citizenship) and if you've staid in the country for years, have somewhat absorbed the culture and plan to stay there, then you apply for citizenship. That application takes a while and is rather demanding, but it's not something you have to finish before even crossing the border. Frankly, the idea of becoming a citizen right after moving into the country sounds very hasty to me.Wanderwolf wrote:According to the United States Citizenship and Immigration Services, the Dallas office is now reviewing citizenship applications received December 1, 2005.
Tom,Tom Mazanec wrote:AYBABTU
Kerry Skydancer said something about immigration being better than invasion. Wanderwolf pointed out our current attitiudes to illegal immigration in response, a small part of a large post. This pushed one of Ralph's hot buttons and AWAAAYYY WE GO!
to THIS.Tom Mazanec wrote:Not that I am proposing this, but what if President Bush were to invade the Seven Villages? Who would win?
RHJunior wrote:Wanderwolf wrote:
Leaving the current attitude toward immigration firmly aside, (after all, we can't really get by without all those eager folks from Mexico working our fields), it's pretty easy to imagine.
Okay, you asked for it.
1)we don't "need" them to work our fields. We have literally millions of LEGAL AMERICAN CITIZENS who are available for work like that.
And shovel me no horsecrap about "no American would work for those wages." One, yes many of them would. TWO, noone is supposed to work for that little in this country anyway. IT'S A CRIME.<I>that's why we have those minimum wage laws y'all bitched and whined for.</i> So quit trying to accommodate the tax-cheating, social-security cheating, employee welfare dodging employers who are exploiting criminal labor to save themselves a buck.
2)The estimated cost increase, if every<I>mexican criminal</I> in the fields were replaced with American farmhands, has been put at around 6%. I'll take 6 cents more for a $1 head of lettuce in exchange for an end to the tsunami of mexican tax dodgers, welfare leeches, dope smugglers, baby-dumpers and revolving-door violent criminals QUITE happily, thank you very much.
3)We are at war. And we've already caught several people sneaking into this country with turbans tucked up under their sombreros. (And shut up about the northern border. It's a mess too, but at least the mideastern islamics have a slightly harder time passing themselves off as Canadian maple syrup farmers.) The borders should have been tight as a drum within a week of 9-11, but instead we have brainless "empathic" milksops who have done everything they have to keep the river of criminals and illegal, dirt cheap labor---- the perfect cover for enemy spies, saboteurs and combatants trying to invade-- flowing across our southern border.
We created NAFTA, try to open factories and companies in Central America-- which would have not only helped our own economy but also given tens of thousands of those struggling mexicans liberals pity so much a gigantic economic shot in the arm.... and they SCREAMED about "Losing american jobs."
No, oh no, leftists prefer the alternative--- where millions of mexican illegals pour across the border. That way we not only lose American jobs, but we ALSO get to lose American tax revenue, American national security, and thanks to the influx of drugs and violent criminals, American lives.
Holy Christ keep me from KILLING these imbeciles with my bare hands.