Got a little proposal... (4/17)

RedSquirrel456 · Post by **RedSquirrel456** » Mon Apr 17, 2006 4:09 pm

So what does this mean? Quentyn takes the quest and then, because from what I've read, since the clause does not apply to him, he can hamstring the Man from taking the land effectively for the rest of his life even if he doesn't go? Is he actually going on the quest? A fourteen year old Questor making the impossible possible just to rub it in their face...

Squirrelly61104 · Post by **Squirrelly61104** » Mon Apr 17, 2006 4:46 pm

Okay, we've all seen it in fantasy novel covers or comics.
The over the shoulder draw sword.
Worn outside the cloak.
How?
From his right to left, you see the strap coming over his shoulder outside of his cloak and passing down towards his left hip, inside his cloak.
I've seen this over and over.
How does that work?
<okay, it's nitpicking, but it has puzzled the heck out of me for years!>

"A small rac-conan stepped in with a cynical grin, said 'go ahead punk, make my day!"

LoneWolf23k · Post by **LoneWolf23k** » Mon Apr 17, 2006 5:26 pm

squirrelly61104 wrote:Okay, we've all seen it in fantasy novel covers or comics.
The over the shoulder draw sword.
Worn outside the cloak.
How?
From his right to left, you see the strap coming over his shoulder outside of his cloak and passing down towards his left hip, inside his cloak.
I've seen this over and over.
How does that work?
<okay, it's nitpicking, but it has puzzled the heck out of me for years!>

"A small rac-conan stepped in with a cynical grin, said 'go ahead punk, make my day!"

Look again, more closely.. The lower strap doesn't go inside his coat.. It goes around. It's just that the lower hem of the coat disappears underneath it, and the left sleeve goes over it.

You just confused a coat with a cloak, and mistook a sleeve for part of said cloak.

SolidusRaccoon · Post by **SolidusRaccoon** » Mon Apr 17, 2006 5:39 pm

RedSquirrel456 wrote:So what does this mean? Quentyn takes the quest and then, because from what I've read, since the clause does not apply to him, he can hamstring the Man from taking the land effectively for the rest of his life even if he doesn't go? Is he actually going on the quest? A fourteen year old Questor making the impossible possible just to rub it in their face...

He will go on the quest, he is honrable.

TMLutas · Post by **TMLutas** » Mon Apr 17, 2006 5:43 pm

RedSquirrel456 wrote:So what does this mean? Quentyn takes the quest and then, because from what I've read, since the clause does not apply to him, he can hamstring the Man from taking the land effectively for the rest of his life even if he doesn't go? Is he actually going on the quest? A fourteen year old Questor making the impossible possible just to rub it in their face...

Now generalize that behavior and watch society die. There are all sorts of commercial laws to cover things unspecified in contracts. For instance, a farmer sells a train car's worth of wheat to a bakery across country. Halfway between, the car catches fire and the load is lost. Who owned the wheat? Whose insurance pays for it and where does the money go? The first time this happens, a judge scratched his head and made a judgment with a quiet note to the legislature to fix this in the commercial code as a rule going forward. This is how the law develops.

I'm reasonably sure that this is how the law here would progress. An ajucator would eventually get called in as questors dawdled with their advance payments and never actually went out to do their work. They would get called in and told to either give up the money paid in advance or get going already. A general rule would develop over what is reasonable prep time, reasonable down time in between outings on larger, more complicated quests, etc.

Sariah · Post by **Sariah** » Mon Apr 17, 2006 6:10 pm

Aww, he's so brave! "Yeah, I'll probably die, but at least I'll save my home."

I guess he feels responsible for it too. But who are the associates? And I want to know what weasel they're refering to.

Dapple · Post by **Dapple** » Mon Apr 17, 2006 6:13 pm

OK crosses fingers, we may get alot more interesting info about the Questorvers before this story line is over..Crosses fingers.

LoneWolf23k · Post by **LoneWolf23k** » Mon Apr 17, 2006 6:19 pm

Sariah wrote:Aww, he's so brave! "Yeah, I'll probably die, but at least I'll save my home."

I guess he feels responsible for it too. But who are the associates? And I want to know what weasel they're refering to.

The associates are the senior partners of the law firm they're working with, apparantly. Clearly, these Rac'conan are what the british would call Solicitors: a lawyer who represent and advises a client.

Madmoonie · Post by **Madmoonie** » Mon Apr 17, 2006 6:29 pm

I kinda like the fact that lawyers hate the fact they have to do this and, apparently, sincerily want to help.

Lee M · Post by **Lee M** » Mon Apr 17, 2006 6:34 pm

Seems almost churlish to quibble, but did anyone else spot the typo in panel 3?

Jaydub · Post by **Jaydub** » Mon Apr 17, 2006 7:19 pm

the point is that the covenant clause in the contract was for Quentyn first Questor of Freeman Downs and his Titled Successor were leagally accountable for the contract. If Quentyn accepts the contract the villiage will be saved if he completes the contract or he does not come back from trying. The contract only pertains to Quentyn one and his successor and passes no further. If Quentyn succeeds the villiage is saved and if Quentyn Fails to return the village is saved. It is a Win - Win for the village. Let's hope is will be a Win for Quentyn as well.

The JAM · Post by **The JAM** » Mon Apr 17, 2006 7:20 pm

[...unWARP!!!]

Good evening.

Or, the Archivists, seeing that Quentyn is more than willing to pick up where Q1 left off, would be pressured by the government, and maybe society in general, to cancel the original contract?

Also remember, the contract was to search and bring back as many items as he could: meaning, he only needs to find and bring back ONE.

¡Zacatepóngolas!

Until next time, remember:

I

AM

THE

J.A.M. (a.k.a. Numbuh i: "Just because I'm imaginary doesn't mean I don't exist")

Good evening.

[WARP!!!]

Shyal_malkes · Post by **Shyal_malkes** » Mon Apr 17, 2006 7:51 pm

it's durring scenes like this that I really don't get loud. but my heart is totally whispering the cheer "Go Quentyn Go!"

and it's not like it's the first time he's thought he was gonna die either, remember the rat-king thingy. I still remember it 'did you ever know that you were going to die?'

Madmoonie · Post by **Madmoonie** » Mon Apr 17, 2006 8:34 pm

I think the art looks really neat in this strip. Very clean and crisp. I like it. Also, I noticed how the adjucator refers to Quentyn as "Questor" not just Quentyn.

Starcat5 · Post by **Starcat5** » Mon Apr 17, 2006 8:39 pm

LoneWolf23k wrote:
squirrelly61104 wrote:Okay, we've all seen it in fantasy novel covers or comics.
The over the shoulder draw sword.
Worn outside the cloak.
How?
From his right to left, you see the strap coming over his shoulder outside of his cloak and passing down towards his left hip, inside his cloak.
I've seen this over and over.
How does that work?
<okay, it's nitpicking, but it has puzzled the heck out of me for years!>

"A small rac-conan stepped in with a cynical grin, said 'go ahead punk, make my day!"
Look again, more closely.. The lower strap doesn't go inside his coat.. It goes around. It's just that the lower hem of the coat disappears underneath it, and the left sleeve goes over it.

You just confused a coat with a cloak, and mistook a sleeve for part of said cloak.

Correction: the strap clearly stops at Q's belt in panal 6. My guess is that it isn't a loop so much as a strap that goes from the belt and hangs over the sholder, held down by the sword and scabbard.

Edit: Hmm... Brown robes... Glowing sword... Anyone else suddenly get the urge to rewatch Starwars? (All six of them. Plus both "Clone Wars" cartoon thingies.)

Bengaley · Post by **Bengaley** » Mon Apr 17, 2006 8:53 pm

I still say that this quest won't be as hard as you guys are making it out to be. I'm willing to bet QoR found quite a few of 'em and stashed 'em somewhere - possibly with the Sojourner Church, if he contacted them and trusted them, along with notes on where he thinks the rest are.

Even if QoR didn't get any of 'em (Slipped, fell, banged his head on a rock - ignoble end, but it could happen!), those artifacts would be highly desirable collectables, and would have legends surrounding them that would make it easy to find - if QoFD can find 'em out.

Logical place to start would be the tradepost records. *shrug*

Acolyte · Post by **Acolyte** » Mon Apr 17, 2006 8:54 pm

Starcat5 wrote:Correction: the strap clearly stops at Q's belt in panal 6. My guess is that it isn't a loop so much as a strap that goes from the belt and hangs over the sholder, held down by the sword and scabbard.

Except that wouldn't work at all. The weight of the sword would tend to pull the whole thing to the vertical. It would just be hanging off his left shoulder. (Edit: Oops! Right shoulder.) You need something at the other end to fasten it on the diagonal. Maybe he has a vent in the back of his coat that allows the strap to be threaded through.

The thing about wearing a sword on your back, if you've ever actually try this you find out it's only really useful if you're carrying the sword with no intention of using it in a hurry. You cannot draw it from that position unless the blade is shorter than your arm. Wildcard is a short sword, but how short compared to Quentyn's anatomy is hard to tell. This is why historically swords were usually worn at the hip. The exceptions are the very large swords like the claymare and German long sword, where it was simply not possible to wear them there. (But the German blade was often used from horseback, and it's easy to sling such a weapon from your horse.)

Yes, many fantasy authors and artists make this and similar mistakes. I attribute it to lack of personal experience.

Bengaley · Post by **Bengaley** » Mon Apr 17, 2006 8:56 pm

Acolyte wrote:
Starcat5 wrote:Correction: the strap clearly stops at Q's belt in panal 6. My guess is that it isn't a loop so much as a strap that goes from the belt and hangs over the sholder, held down by the sword and scabbard.
Except that wouldn't work at all. The weight of the sword would tend to pull the whole thing to the vertical. It would just be hanging off his left shoulder. You need something at the other end to fasten it on the diagonal. Maybe he has a vent in the back of his coat that allows the strap to be threaded through.

The thing about wearing a sword on your back, if you've ever actually try this you find out it's only really useful if you're carrying the sword with no intention of using it in a hurry. You cannot draw it from that position unless the blade is shorter than your arm. Wildcard is a short sword, but how short compared to Quentyn's anatomy is hard to tell. This is why historically swords were usually worn at the hip. The exceptions are the very large swords like the claymare and German long sword, where it was simply not possible to wear them there. (But the German blade was often used from horseback, and it's easy to sling such a weapon from your horse.)

Yes, many fantasy authors and artists make this and similar mistakes. I attribute it to lack of personal experience.

Well, A) It looks cooler, and B) It makes for a good place to stash the sword if you're not wearing a pack and don't think you're going to use it in a hurry, IE, draw+slash.

Madmoonie · Post by **Madmoonie** » Mon Apr 17, 2006 8:57 pm

AAAARRRRGH!!!! You are arguing about whether or not his sword strap is above or below his shirt! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!

Acolyte · Post by **Acolyte** » Mon Apr 17, 2006 8:58 pm

Bengaley wrote:Well, A) It looks cooler, and B) It makes for a good place to stash the sword if you're not wearing a pack and don't think you're going to use it in a hurry, IE, draw+slash.

If you feel like you have to carry a sword everywhere, as Quentyn does, there's always the chance you'll have to use it in a hurry.

I do not dispute A).

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