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Catherine_Puce wrote:Maybe it's because I'm a student in law but I see the usable loophole... It says: HIS TITLED SUCCESSOR were legally accountable for the contract. It's mean that as long Quentyn accept to continue the mission, Freeman Downs stay reserved for the payment. If Quentyn success, he gain the town as a payment. If he dies in trying the contract stay in wait under an another questor is named. At least that there are a limit of time, he can repeat eternally. There are no limit of time because Freeman Downs will be already take back if this was the case. So, as long Quentyn is ready to sacrifice himself to his town, the lawyers can't take the town.

La loi est toujours une arme à double tranchant.

S.P.P.

Actually, there's a limit for the Archivists' Guild, as well: The contract specifically states that the titled successor of Quentyn of Ridgedale may complete the quest. It says nothing about further successors, who would thereafter be succeeding Quentyn of Freeman Downs. Likewise, if a Questor dies on the job, the land is not returned; it is accepted as the price of his life, his wergeld as it were.

(In addition, now that they're aware of the contract, the people of Freeman Downs would be unlikely to ever name another Questor, for fear of having to deal with this situation.)

Quentyn is in the classic hero's position: He can take on an impossible quest (by his reckoning), thus saving his hometown; or he can do nothing and watch as the seven villages lose a village, the people of his hometown scattered to the winds.

In addition, keep in mind that there's technically no law against a Questor exiting the Mistwall. It's supposed to keep out humans, not Rac Cona Daimh. It's not illegal... just insane. <rimshot> Sirius-ly, Quentyn is both allowed and capable to exit the Mistwall; neither his capture nor his death would provide any means for humans to penetrate it, except in cases such as Ennias Longscript's fluke entry.

(Yes, capable. This is Luxcraft, not masonry. Just as a candle-burst can be directed, so can an effect which hedges out outsiders. Think of it as a massive "Magic Circle of Protection from Humans" spell, if you'll furgive a D20 reference. At least, for Quentyn's sake, I hope it's that discriminating... otherwise, he'll be trapped on the outside of the Mistwall furever.)

Yours truly,

The wolfish,

Wanderer

Acolyte wrote: Now that I write it down like that, it's highly suspicious. How can a little over 100 years' debt amount to more than 50 years' income? Essentially, the Guild is demanding half the village's total income over its entire existence. That can't be right. Something is up.

The high cost comes from interest and penalty fees (and interest on the penalty fees). It doesnt take a very big interest rate even. If the interest is high enough to double the value every 5 years (that isnt all that high by the way, I think 7%, your credit card is much worse) then the interest on the first years rent 20 times the amount of the rent. That is just the first years rent you have 99 more to go (they do get progressively lighter however).

To be honest Ralph is being nice, I keep coming up with an astronomical figure. Then again a long period of heavy inflation would cut that debt down a fair bit.

G

Pitty they don't have some veriation of squatters rights, where by if the owner makes no clame to the land upon wich a civilion settles, then as long as the civilion/comunity keeps the land in good nick then after a cirtain length of time the land falls to the ownership of the individuals looking after it. Its a good deal more complicated then that nutshell, but you get the drift

If Quentin1 was given the land as an advanced payment, the land still belonged to the Archevests. However, the guild has made no such clame to ownership or to the plause that could end up forfiting the land then I seriously belive there is some meddeling going on in the background, someone seriously silly buggers with them by perpsufuly not informing them of the contract.

Talk about having someone over a barrel. Well, I think we all know where this is going.

I'm posting from Idaho Falls, Idaho, because we're shopping for houses due to the fact that our condo in Southern CA, on which we spent 115k, is now selling for around 480k. I know what you mean about the housing market in Cali. >.>;;

But frankly, this sounds like complete and total BS coming from someone. But the idea of Trial In Absentia makes sense now:

Quentyn of Ridgedale can't exactly make it to the trial now, can he.

Shwepie wrote:Yay first post!

Horray! Welcome to the forums. Please check your sanity at the door, and what ever you do, don't feed Solidus.

I hope you have a fun time posting with us!

Sariah wrote:

Shwepie wrote:Yay first post!

Horray! Welcome to the forums. Please check your sanity at the door, and what ever you do, don't feed Solidus.

I hope you have a fun time posting with us!

Well, you can feed Solidus, but don't say we didn't warn you.

Meanwhile... Hey, Solly! I'm making meatloaf, want some?

Bengaley wrote:

Sariah wrote:

Shwepie wrote:Yay first post!

Horray! Welcome to the forums. Please check your sanity at the door, and what ever you do, don't feed Solidus.

I hope you have a fun time posting with us!

Well, you can feed Solidus, but don't say we didn't warn you.

Meanwhile... Hey, Solly! I'm making meatloaf, want some?

...odd, I could have sworn it was "Don't feed AFTER MIDNIGHT", along with "Don't get him wet", and one last rule I seem to have forgotten.

All I can say is the Archivist's Guild did not count on the Spunk of the young and inexperienced Questor of Freeman downs. They never thought in a million years that Quentyn will take up the quest forestalling their plans. Remember that Quentyn of Ridgdale also had the white forelock from where he was licked by the white Stag. So does Quentyn. Quentyn was chosen for this task to follow in the footsteps of the first Questor of Freeman Downs and he will take up quest and this time succeed.

Starcat5 wrote:
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...odd, I could have sworn it was "Don't feed AFTER MIDNIGHT", along with "Don't get him wet", and one last rule I seem to have forgotten.

What exactly does it mean, "don't feed after midnight?" I mean, it's always after some midnight or ther!

come to Ohio Zorro, the sooner we outnumber those fans in PA the better


also, it was 'don't feed him after midnight' but he found out how to be dangerous 24/7 so we just don't feed him except from long distances and even that gets risky.

actually he's just the local forum warlord who we like to tease and banter with. we're all crazy here

Zorro wrote:This is pretty Standard California Style Land Politics.

99% of the state is marked as off limits to humans only so that land developers can make $1 Million dollars the normal price for a 3-bedroom 2-bathroom house in a gangland war zone.

It is just a case of "Fuck You! I'M a Millionaire because I own a House!" mentality.

Destroy a Racoonian city and cause a housing shortage so you can be rich; California is the test case for this.

I am seriously considering, moving to New Mexico, Texas or Ohio just to be able to buy a place to live.

California may just not gain any population if it doesn't watch itself. If it really fouls up, it could lose population. I can just imagine the earthquake in the state's self image if it starts losing congressmen.

Getting back to the questorverse, the mistwall pretty much makes moving outside the polity a nonstarter. This is a lifeboat situation in some very real respects.

There's one thing I'd very much like to know:

How in Yeshu's name did the Adjudicators agree that the Guild is entitled to 100 years of rent, interest, and punitive fines when Freeman Downs has only been in violation of contract for somewhere between 2-5 months!

Up until Quentin became Questor, the town wasn't liable for a single thing, after all. I mean, sheesh, this is the mother of all "if the fee is not payed by such-and-such time, interest and late fees will be calculated from the date of purchase" scam.

No doubt that's why the whole thing was in absentia. Since it required an Adjudicator judgement, there was a chance that a fair-minded Adjudicator might declare that use fees and so forth didn't start accruing until Quentin took up his title.


Or does that make any sense?

Oh, hi everyone.

-Albert the Absentminded

Hmmm....that brings up a good point....what about a "statute of limitations?"

Madmoonie wrote:Hmmm....that brings up a good point....what about a "statute of limitations?"

Well if they were living in the United States and were under our laws that might work but think about it. Their laws and customs are theirs. Our laws and customs do not apply.

Owch, well, Quenty seems to have two options here.

Self-Exile to attempt to complete the job.

Orrrr... well, Violence makes everythign negotiable.

Gvassar wrote:

Acolyte wrote: Now that I write it down like that, it's highly suspicious. How can a little over 100 years' debt amount to more than 50 years' income? Essentially, the Guild is demanding half the village's total income over its entire existence. That can't be right. Something is up.

The high cost comes from interest and penalty fees (and interest on the penalty fees). It doesnt take a very big interest rate even. If the interest is high enough to double the value every 5 years (that isnt all that high by the way, I think 7%, your credit card is much worse) then the interest on the first years rent 20 times the amount of the rent. That is just the first years rent you have 99 more to go (they do get progressively lighter however).

To be honest Ralph is being nice, I keep coming up with an astronomical figure. Then again a long period of heavy inflation would cut that debt down a fair bit.

G

Since they are a metals based economy, I'd guess that they would have very low interest rates. Then again, they're going through deflation, not inflation.

Okay, let me see if I can stir up some speculation here...

We all have political enemies that we would *love* to see defeated.

Well, suppose you happened upon a document which showed that, for example, the state of Alaska having previously owned own the San Francisco Bay area of California, but sold it on a contingency.

Suddenly, that contingency comes to pass! How much pressure would you put on the state of Alaska to foreclose on the mortgage, so to speak, to get your political enemies in that area scattered to the four winds?

In other word, do the Archivists really want their land back, or is someone leaning on them?

Lee M wrote:

Starcat5 wrote:
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...odd, I could have sworn it was "Don't feed AFTER MIDNIGHT", along with "Don't get him wet", and one last rule I seem to have forgotten.

What exactly does it mean, "don't feed after midnight?" I mean, it's always after some midnight or ther!

Hence why it is said to never feed Sol, just to be on the safe side....

TMLutas wrote:

Zorro wrote:This is pretty Standard California Style Land Politics.

99% of the state is marked as off limits to humans only so that land developers can make $1 Million dollars the normal price for a 3-bedroom 2-bathroom house in a gangland war zone.

It is just a case of "Fuck You! I'M a Millionaire because I own a House!" mentality.

Destroy a Racoonian city and cause a housing shortage so you can be rich; California is the test case for this.

I am seriously considering, moving to New Mexico, Texas or Ohio just to be able to buy a place to live.

California may just not gain any population if it doesn't watch itself. If it really fouls up, it could lose population. I can just imagine the earthquake in the state's self image if it starts losing congressmen.

Getting back to the questorverse, the mistwall pretty much makes moving outside the polity a nonstarter. This is a lifeboat situation in some very real respects.

Actually, California IS losing population. They're hemmorhadging American citizens at a horrific rate.

However, this is almost balanced by the number of <I><B>ILLEGAL ALIENS</i></B> flooding into the state....

Paints a whoooooole new picture on that "amnesty/citizenship for illegals" bill they're ramrodding through congress.... doesn't it.