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Werekitty Wrote:

SolidusRaccoon wrote:
Yuoofox wrote:
The tricky thing is that it's easy to *think* that you're fighing for God's Good when you might not be. (That is not to say that you shouldn't try to fight for God's Good, but I'm just saying.)


Ah but those of us who are perfect need not worry about that.

Really. And you've met people who are perfect? Or do you think that you, yourself, are perfect?

Hm... Anybody got the number for those nice men in the clean white coats?

Hey give him a break. He's a legend in his own mind.

Werekitty wrote:Anybody got the number for those nice men in the clean white coats?

I think Solidus might have them on speed dial.

shyal_malkes wrote:though the ten commandments and the further laws were given to the childeren of Isreal Christ still came and gave them further instruction, more important instruction. that fulfilled the law of moses.

Christ did not come to give further instructions, only. He came to bring salvation. Salvation does not come from teaching, but from rebirth.

my origional point was that it had never been officially confirmed what exactly the role of the white stag was exactly. until we know (KNOW, not suspect) what that role is we may take too seriously (or, I admit frivolously) it's actions.

Seems to me the stag's instructions were quite clear: Be whom God made you to be. If Quentyn was not destined to be a Questor, then what?

Do I believe Quentyn is special?

YES, OF COURSE I DO!

but not because of some shock of white hair

Quentyn's a good kid who does what he thinks he should do, not what he wants to do, what he should do. that alone can take more guts then any battle he's faced thus far.

Which, I suspect, is the reason he was chosen by the white stag.

Doink wrote:Rahan is Gilder's grandson?

Not positively confirmed, but there are a number of indications that he is.

1. Rahan comes from a rich family.
2. Gilder is rich.
3. Rahan's grandfather is on the council.
4. Gilder is on the council.
5. Rahan said that his grandfather was going to "jerk a knot in [Quentyn's] tail."
6. Gilder called the meeting to do exactly that.

We know that there are two women on the council, and Rillcreek. None of them are Rahan's grandfather. It is not likely, judging from the Adjudicator's attitude, that he wanted to "jerk a knot in his tail".

So, that's four of the seven. I think it is safe to say that Rahan is Gilder's grandson. He is the most likely candidate.

DracoDei wrote:

SolidusRaccoon wrote:

Yuoofox wrote:The tricky thing is that it's easy to *think* that you're fighing for God's Good when you might not be. (That is not to say that you shouldn't try to fight for God's Good, but I'm just saying.)

Ah but those of us who are perfect need not worry about that.

Do you have ANY idea how...
no, wait a sec.
Nevermind.
On second thought I am sure you are WELL aware of how scary those words are.

People fear the unknown. And what the do not understand. And since I am who I am, they are really afraid of me, go figure.

CasVeg wrote:

Werekitty wrote:Anybody got the number for those nice men in the clean white coats?

I think Solidus might have them on speed dial.

Walter Chang laundry service? He gets me clothing nice and sparkly clean.

maxgoof wrote:

Doink wrote:Rahan is Gilder's grandson?

Not positively confirmed, but there are a number of indications that he is.

1. Rahan comes from a rich family.
2. Gilder is rich.
3. Rahan's grandfather is on the council.
4. Gilder is on the council.
5. Rahan said that his grandfather was going to "jerk a knot in [Quentyn's] tail."
6. Gilder called the meeting to do exactly that.

We know that there are two women on the council, and Rillcreek. None of them are Rahan's grandfather. It is not likely, judging from the Adjudicator's attitude, that he wanted to "jerk a knot in his tail".

So, that's four of the seven. I think it is safe to say that Rahan is Gilder's grandson. He is the most likely candidate.

Ah it is genetic, I know people with the "jerk" gene.

Well, this comment isn't specifically about Gilder or Quentyn but more about the Law.

I think that maybe we're putting to much empasis on labels and categories: lawful this, neutral that, etc etc. Let's say you walk up to a mean and greedy person, and you ask them what they call themselves.

If this person happens to have authority and power, they'll say, "Well, I'm the good guy, of course. I protect good, honest citizens from those bad, lawless yahoos."

But, if you ask one of those "lawless yahoos," they'll say, "Well, I'm the good guy, of course. I'm a freedom fighter that goes against those bad fat-cats."

Then, if the "lawless yahoo" manages to get power and authority, then they'll be the one talking about protecting good, honest citizens.

Basically, I'm saying that if you ask most people who they are, they'll say, "Well, I'm ______ Good, of course!" You can call yourself whatever you want, but the most important thing is the fruits of your actions.

Yuoofox wrote:Basically, I'm saying that if you ask most people who they are, they'll say, "Well, I'm ______ Good, of course!" You can call yourself whatever you want, but the most important thing is the fruits of your actions.

In other words, the path to hell is paved with good intentions.

my appolagies maxgoof if I was easily misunderstood.

it's just that while I know the stag probably is important (maybe VERY important) I just don't know how important it is.

it bugs me not knowing.

CasVeg wrote:

Werekitty wrote:Anybody got the number for those nice men in the clean white coats?

I think Solidus might have them on speed dial.

Funny.. I would have thought it the other way around

In other words, the path to hell is paved with good intentions.

Well, I was thinking more along the lines of, "Live and let live," though I do see what you mean.

maxgoof wrote:

Yuoofox wrote:Basically, I'm saying that if you ask most people who they are, they'll say, "Well, I'm ______ Good, of course!" You can call yourself whatever you want, but the most important thing is the fruits of your actions.

In other words, the path to hell is paved with good intentions.

Sounded more to me like "noone is a villain in his own mind". Bad people often rationalize their behavior.

Yuoofox wrote:I think that maybe we're putting to much empasis on labels and categories: lawful this, neutral that, etc etc. Let's say you walk up to a mean and greedy person, and you ask them what they call themselves.

Yuoo, I believe the terms they were using, Lawful Good, etc, come from D&D and the fantasy realm in general. In these, the terms 'Lawful', 'Neutral', 'Chaotic', etc etc are all clearly defined via the types of actions and decision thinking paradigms.

I would go ahead and define the terms here, but I'm afraid I'm a bit fuzzy and wouldn't produce a terribly accurate representation.

But I can say at least this: The precurser (Lawful, Chaotic, etc) defines how the person makes their decisions and sort of goes with the spectrum of legalism to free-spiritedness (though not exactly...). The second term (Good, Evil, Neutral) is mostly determined by their intentions and end goals. Hrm...these are kind of loose explanations. Can someone do better por favor?

maxgoof wrote:Gilder isn't evil. He cares about Law and Order. About stability.

And there you have it. Gilder is Lawful Neutral. Quentyn is Chaotic Good.

Or, at the risk of pushing Ralph's buttons:

Gilder = Conservative
Quentyn = Liberal

Ron

RDB wrote:

maxgoof wrote:Gilder isn't evil. He cares about Law and Order. About stability.

And there you have it. Gilder is Lawful Neutral. Quentyn is Chaotic Good.

Or, at the risk of pushing Ralph's buttons:

Gilder = Conservative
Quentyn = Liberal

Ron

Except that if Gilder is willing to go to any lengths to hamstring Quentyn, then the proper "labels" are:

Gilder = Liberal
Quentyn = Libertarian/Conservative

S'aaruuk

RDB = crazy


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Blast you Sharuuk Speedy McPoster! beat me to it...Avast ye, I say! Avast Yeeee!

WhadIdo...whadIdo...whadIdo??? I'd just logged on and saw the post and "corrected" it?

S'aaruuk

well, lessee.

Quentyn represents individual rights, autonomy, capitalism, self-determination, self-defense, and personal responsibility.... and the innate right of every individual to have the damn government leave him the hell alone. He is the free market alternative for individuals in distress, and represents the blunt fact that all free men are able to sleep at night because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.

Gilder represents government authority, bureaucracy, and the suppression of independent thought and action. He is willing, if not to break the law, then to stretch it all out of shape in order to stop a "threat" to his neatly ordered status quo... that "threat" being in the form of an individual who doesn't bend the knee to the nearest authority figure before taking action on behalf of his clients or himself. He believes that matters should always be "left to the authorities," even when said matters are obviously something that the authorities should not and cannot handle.

Only a left winger would have the pretentiousness-- and self delusion-- to claim that QUENTYN is the leftist.

RHJunior wrote:well, lessee.

Quentyn represents individual rights, autonomy, capitalism, self-determination, self-defense, and personal responsibility.... and the innate right of every individual to have the damn government leave him the hell alone. He is the free market alternative for individuals in distress, and represents the blunt fact that all free men are able to sleep at night because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.

Gilder represents government authority, bureaucracy, and the suppression of independent thought and action. He is willing, if not to break the law, then to stretch it all out of shape in order to stop a "threat" to his neatly ordered status quo... that "threat" being in the form of an individual who doesn't bend the knee to the nearest authority figure before taking action on behalf of his clients or himself. He believes that matters should always be "left to the authorities," even when said matters are obviously something that the authorities should not and cannot handle.

Only a left winger would have the pretentiousness-- and self delusion-- to claim that QUENTYN is the leftist.

Hm... I thought that bureaucracy, and the idea that people should adhere to authority were consertive ideals...

It is possible that either I am wrong, or the definitions have shifted. I am not sure. There is no way to get a definate definition without somebody placing their personal slant upon it.