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My father is a psychologist, and he thinks it's fine that I'm into furrie fandom.

Of course, he's concerned for my well being. He wants me to have a balanced life, and thus he warns me not to take anything in excess. (moderation in all things)

Also, I can understand it if he's a little cautious about my interest in furries. You see, some of his previous work has brought him in contact with "bad furries," people who take a normally decent aspect of furrie fandom and carry it to downright dangerous extremes.

:roll: He also saw the "Fur and Loathing" episode of C.S.I. :o I haven't seen it myself, but when I asked him about it, he seemed to take it as just a TV show. "Some of the furrie people were quite normal," he told me, "although some of the people at the convention were... Abby-Normal." [a reference to the movie Young Frankenstien]

But still, my Dad trusts my judgement. He knows my heart, and he knows I'm trying to be faithful to God. Even as an adult, I still care quite a lot about what my parents think, but I also appreciate the trust they put in me.

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In other words, those guys who dress up as furries have officaly taken it to far.
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fusion wrote:In other words, those guys who dress up as furries have officaly taken it to far.
No....not necessarily. When I go to SciFi cons, my "partner" Krell is actually a close friend who is a professional make-up artist.....as best he can he turns me into S'aaruuk, and other furry characters for both the general con fun, and the costume contests.

Thanks in part to his expertise, and my love of getting into character, I have won every costume contest I've ever entered....of the 15 trophies I have on my mantle, 3 are First Place...the lowest prize I've ever taken. The other 12 are all Grand Prize.

Yes...I LOVE the fantasy of getting into the makeup....all 5 1/2 hrs in the chair of it....and I'll wear it for 24+hrs.....I've even slept in it....without the wigs of course.....You want a REAL eye opener in the morning? Imagine staggering into a darken bathroom, flicking on the lights and looking in the mirror.....thems is your eyes looking back atcha....buuuuuut that AIN'T YOUR FACE they're lookin' OUT of!! :o

I get so used to the latex appliance that's glued to my face that I forget I'm wearing it......when I'm in full makeup and costume, I can't even use my own voice without first thinking about it.....you call my mundane name, and I don't "hear" it....address my character and I respond immediately.

No, I'm not putting on airs, and I'm not being snobbish.....it's just that as long as I look like my character, that's who I am....my mundane self doesn't exist for a while.....it's also partly why I keep winning contests, I never step out of character.

The fursuiters aren't much different than me in this respect......although, as with any fantasy, some folks are going to take it to the extremes. The "Fur and Loathing" episode of CSI pi$$ed me off just a bit because I felt it showed furs in the worst possible light....all a bunch of whack-jobs and losers.....and that ain't the truth no matter how much they wish it was.

I guess from that perspective, yeah....I'm crazy as hell....BUT.....as long as I can admit it....they'll never lock me up! :roll:

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Sharuuk wrote:Yes...I LOVE the fantasy of getting into the makeup....all 5 1/2 hrs in the chair of it....and I'll wear it for 24+hrs.....I've even slept in it....without the wigs of course.....
AHA! That wig with lights I found in your closet!
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When has CSI portrayed *ANY* group as normal?
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Narnian wrote:
Sharuuk wrote:Yes...I LOVE the fantasy of getting into the makeup....all 5 1/2 hrs in the chair of it....and I'll wear it for 24+hrs.....I've even slept in it....without the wigs of course.....
AHA! That wig with lights I found in your closet!
Naaaah.....that one's only for special occasions. :wink:
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GrayTiger wrote:When has CSI portrayed *ANY* group as normal?
Point made.

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oh, so much I could say and so little time.

you'd never see me in a costume, first off I don't own one :P
secondly, a secret fear of mine is that I'd actually get one like for my birthday or somethig and I try it on and actually like being in it.

it's just not what I want to like even if I eventually find out that I do.

ok, call me crazy.

my psychologist back in first grade did, said I couldn't see people's faces and that I was possessed my the devil.

as for the 'real' psychologists that I've met in school, well, psychology seems less to me like an attempt at calling everything a disease per sorts and more a means of organizing what is out there, you can't deny that there are mental disorders and diseases out there to be treated.

I saw that episode of CSI (actually I think I've seen most episodes of CSI) I kinda liked it as it gave me a glimpse (if a slanted and jaded one) into a world that I knew little about and yet (at the time) knew I was getting closer to. and no they didn't portray the furries as normal but then again "this is vegas" what is "normal" in vegas!? and the furries are pretty foreign to most people out there.

BT?! you STILL collect sonic comics?! I thought they had stopped making them! which kind do you collect? I'll have to go through my collection I forget which issues I've got.

I've heard that when the brain is thinking it is talking to itself, even if it doesn't do it out loud

Sharuuk, you're no crazier then I am!
no that doesn't mean your sane just that I'm crazier then you are :lol:

I don't know if the guys that dress up take it too far or not, one could say that the real culprits are the ones that make the stories and the costumes and therefore spur on these otherwize normal people.
that one is probably also likely to stay far away from furry conventions as a matter of physical health, his/her own health that is.

and here I thought this topic would die in under 8 posts, silly me! :D
I still say the doctor did it....

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Talking to yourself isn't crazy at all. I know alot more people who do it than will admit. It's what that talking signifies that's important. Many people just do it to voice their thoughts aloud. The audial feedback helps them organize their thoughts, or makes mental imperatives seem more 'real'. (ex: "Well, I really need to get up and do something now...") Other times, it can also be a way of relieving tension or concentrating (ex: bomb expert - "C'mon __(self)__, you can do this..." as he/she defuses bomb)

And then, some people (myself included) do it for fun. Not because we're messed up, but because it's a private party of one! ^_^
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shyal_malkes wrote:oh, so much I could say and so little time.

you'd never see me in a costume, first off I don't own one :P
secondly, a secret fear of mine is that I'd actually get one like for my birthday or somethig and I try it on and actually like being in it.

it's just not what I want to like even if I eventually find out that I do.
How sad.....how very sad that you are so terrified of having fun. :( Does the concept of putting on an animal costume or having your face made up to look like an animals somehow strike you as sinful? Do you feel guilty that you might enjoy this form of temporary escapism? If so....WHY??
Shyal_Malkes wrote:ok, call me crazy.

my psychologist back in first grade did, said I couldn't see people's faces and that I was possessed by the devil.
And this piece of self-rightious feces, for telling that to a first grader deserves to be dragged out behind the school building and stomped into a grease spot. :x What he did to you was evil...pure and simple. :evil:
"Psychologist"......my ass.
Shyal_Malkes wrote:as for the 'real' psychologists that I've met in school, well, psychology seems less to me like an attempt at calling everything a disease per se and more a means of organizing what is out there, you can't deny that there are mental disorders and diseases out there to be treated.
To the first part of your statement, I partially agree....but look at the latest fad "mental disorder" ADD. What bullsh*t.....most kids have short attention spans.....little kids especially and a 6yo on a sugar buzz is going to be hyper.......leave him the hell alone and let him be a kid....DON'T DRUG HIM!!!

To the 2nd part...absolutely, no argument.
Shyal_Malkes wrote:I saw that episode of CSI (actually I think I've seen most episodes of CSI) I kinda liked it as it gave me a glimpse (if a slanted and jaded one) into a world that I knew little about and yet (at the time) knew I was getting closer to. and no they didn't portray the furries as normal but then again "this is vegas" what is "normal" in vegas!? and the furries are pretty foreign to most people out there.
I don't think furries are quite as foreign to most people as you might think. Saddly, I think a lot of people see the CSI "version" of furries and form their opinion from that.......ignorance teaching the ignorant.
Shyal_Malkes wrote:Sharuuk, you're no crazier then I am!
no that doesn't mean your sane just that I'm crazier then you are :lol:
By whose standards?
Shyal-Malkes wrote:I don't know if the guys that dress up take it too far or not, one could say that the real culprits are the ones that make the stories and the costumes and therefore spur on these otherwize normal people.
So, according to you, people are so weak minded that just the sight of an animal costume and the sound of some cocamamy "legend" is all that's needed to turn otherwise quiet, dignified, conservative "normal" folks into raving fursuited nutjobs looking for a yiffing in a furpile?

That makes as much sense as the anti-gunners claim that just the mear presence of a firearm, especially a semiautomatic handgun or (gasp) an assault weapon is all that's required to turn a normal, calm, rational, lawful citizen into a slavering crazed spree killer bent on hosing down the local mall.

People are responsible for their own actions....."the 'devil' made me do it" went out with Rowan and Martin's Laugh-In. People drawn to 'furry-dom' already have a proclivity for it....no one object or word 'made' them want to. And it's absolutely NOTHING to be ASHAMED OF!! There are people that are surprised that I'm a big time Trek fan....I show them some of the pix and my Star Fleet ID cards and they're actually impressed, NOT put off. MOF I recently picked up a new client to whom I'd been recommended, and not 5 minutes after they were in the limo, asked to see my pictures and ID's.....they'd been told by another client....who actually thought it was pretty cool. And these folks are like CEO's, Doctors that sort of crowd.

Don't be afraid of enjoying yourself and indulging in some harmless masquerade......I can't find anywhere in the Bible where it says masquerading as an animal is any kind of sin.

And no.....I don't think you're crazier than I am.

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shyal_malkes wrote: BT?! you STILL collect sonic comics?! I thought they had stopped making them! which kind do you collect? I'll have to go through my collection I forget which issues I've got.
Thats what my reaction was when i found them XD. When i was about 6-8 or something similar i really enjoyed watching the ole Saturday AM episodes of sonic. I found the archie comics a bit later (at issue 30) but then lost track of them for yonks. Was walking past my local newsagent and i saw that they stocked them (issue 80/90 or something). :o Childhood memories rekindled and all that :roll: Now, barring a few gaps (probably thanks to the fact that they arnt that well known down here) ive been collecting them ever since XD.

Sharuuk wrote: Am I crazy? That depends on your perspective....in some circles, I'd not only be thought of as crazy...but probably dangerous as well. While in other more "relaxed" or "grounded" circles, I'm as normal as the sunrise......THIS is one of those relaxed circles. I'm as confortable here, even tho' it's vicarious at best, as I am at a con, or in my own home.....being home while online notwithstanding.....I actually feel "at home" right here.

Now.....does THAT make me crazy?
Wait wait wait ... since when did we start saying that you wernt dangerous?? :lol: :wink:

Or do you just mean not dangerous to US? :roll:


Aurrin wrote:And then, some people (myself included) do it for fun. Not because we're messed up, but because it's a private party of one! ^_^
Hear hear! :D After all ... im the only person who thinks my jokes are funny :P :D

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Shar, all that time? Just get one of those Mission: Impossible mask generators.

What do I pretned to be? Well I like to do a Goa'uld voice when i get angry sometimes, I have a toy lightsaber (still want the real thing, and the ability to shoot lighining out of my hands) have Star Trek, GI JOE, and other toys. So I guess I am as guilty as the rest of you.
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I was just joking. I do talk to myself. And I find myself to be a very attentive listener. I never get interrupted during long monologues, which is unique ;)

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Okay, for the record the CSI representation of the furry fandom is a crock. And the media representation of fursuiters--- oh for crying out loud.

First off, fursuiting/mascot costuming is a serious hobby. Serious as in those costumes are painstakingly designed and hand made by their owners, carefully maintained and preserved and cared for. The average, bog-standard suit costs several hundred dollars, and many approach $1000. That's right, folks, those things can cost as much as a used car.

Second, they require a LOT of physical activity and energy to use. We're talking a couple inches of foam rubber and cloth and fur, and quite a few pounds. Imagine playing football in a full-length winter parka. (there's a reason that conventions have special suites set aside for costumers to rest and cool down with their suit heads off.)

These suits are built and used for public performances ranging from sports events to conventions to birthday parties to children's hospitals.... and just for impromptu public appearances. Those who participate in the hobby rhapsodize constantly about how much people just open up to the characters... from children to adults to the elderly, people just SMILE when they see a costumed character coming their way.

In short, rest assured that only a drooling idiot would use one of these huge, heavy, heavily effort and emotion invested and EXPENSIVE suits in the silly manner as portrayed in CSI. There may be a few true oddballs out there, but for the overwhelming majority, they're perfectly normal people with a unique hobby.

They're people who like to dress up in costumes and make people laugh. Screw the freakmongers who'd diss them.
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That CSI show was a crapfest, but what else would you expect?
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I supose this is the fault of my innability to say something that is supposed to come off as funny and it totally not sound like it.
I don't blame the suitmakers or the makers of "furry" stories. I was trying to poke fun at those that would blame such people.


my fear of costumes is simple and probably worse then if I did like them.
it's not real enough, I wouldn't want to wear a fox costume unless it did for me, what batman's suit does for batman at least! and I'm not one that believes in prosthetics and plastics either, I think thiings should be as real as possible or obviously fake. that's one reason why I secretly fear the realistic CG animation technology we've got now, any news organization with the budget and the time can "edit" what they've got to make it look much worse.
if I did like costumes it would be settling for the fake and make believe. but I've spent so many hours wasted daydreaming of all sorts of things now that my mind doesn't want a costume anymore (if it ever really did) it wants the real thing. not likely to get it but that's what it wants.

you'd probably also never see me at a convention of sorts as I have an unxplainable fear of large crowds. it was a nightmare in colorado when I went to an octoberfest and it was MY job to talk to as many people as I could. I practically freaked!

I don't mind acting (I shouldn't otherwize why take drama and get an "A" in speech when the speech teacher specifically said such was impossible) but sometimes (as wato in episode 1 of starwars said) "I need something more real" and a suit just wouldn't cut it for me. plus going to conventions isn't my idea of fun really. fun for some (many actually, otherwise how could you get that many people at a convention, kidnapping? :D ) but not for me.

how does a scientifically oriented psychologist get off calling someone "possessed" and "can't see peoples faces" simple: chalk+overobservation.

I loved cartoons, still do infact, but I didn't know what one was or how they were made. but I observet that thin black line that outlined not only the characters but any 'object' on the cartoon screen, this led to some interresting theories (theories I have abandoned in the name of physics and the laws of the nature of light) on the nature of light and objects.
so, when I went to see this shrink, she asks me to make a picture using chalk.
big mistake, chalk is an ok medium, but not when you really have no idea what you're doing and not for making any real ammount of teensy tiny small details. my picture was of 5 people gathered around a swimming pool. the view was from above so naturally unless the people were looking up (which they weren't) you wouldn't see much if any of their faces unfortunately I didn't know my familie's (that's who the five were supposed to be) hair colors and I didn't know what color chalk to use so I just left everyone bald and didn't draw in any faces. then as a last thing I outlined every object I could remember to include in black.

and as a result of that artistic masterpiece I got called "possessed by the devil" and unable to see people's faces.

and she had promised me we would get hot chocolate one day (there was a hot chocolate machine nearby and I had asked her previously) and we never did! :evil:

eventually I got diagnosed with ADD (not ADHD (attention deficit with hyperactivity) attention deficit disorder) and was put on a few medications to see which one I could go on. eventually I went on ritalin and even in high school found it easier to concentrate with it.

I believe ADD exists though because of the natural reaction that kids have to various things it can be hard to spot. that's just a natural problem with ADD. ritalin naturally acts as a stimulent but to someone with ADD it acts as a depressent slowing the mind down and (in theory) increasing the attention span. I've never felt any "stimulating" effects from taking ritalin so either my body is chemically different so that I wouldn't feel it as a stimulent or ADD does exist.

so there! :P


to some cultures (depends on who you live with) furries are as foreign as snow in hawaii, then again, my mom and dad (as far as I can tell) have never had 'furry' interaction and yet haven't been dumb enough to judge the furries based on that CSI episode. maybe we just watch it so much we know when the show is exagerating. maybe we watch tv enough we expect it to exagerate and filter the message accordingly.
*shrugs shoulders* who knows.

why am I crazier, cause a (previously mentioned) shrink said so that's why :wink:


BT I didn't know there WAS a comic until after like the 50th comic or so. so far I've got... let me see
archie series
STH (sonic the hedgehog)
iss: 54-78, 83, 84, 86-88
KTE (knuckles the Echidna)
iss:8-13, 15-17, 19-21, 23-32
T3IMS (tails 3 issue miniseries
iss:1-3
SSS (sonic super special)
iss:5, 8
TOTAL: 57 (unless I've miscounted somewhere)
I still say the doctor did it....

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Ohmygawsh :o ... i nearly fell off my chair when i read that bit about the psychiatrist.

I guess theres the good and bad in every profession ... pity so many of the forum goers seem to have only met the latter :P

As to which comics i have ... i guess id better go take an inventory, i wonder how many i have. :D

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Reminds me of that little girl and her psychologist in the movie "Oh God Book 2". She's taking that inkblot test, and she's saying "Egg Foo Young", "Popcorn", "Jello".

"You're associating everything with food," says the shrink (how on earth did they get that term?). "It must mean something," he says profoundly, feeling very accomplished.

"It COULD mean that I'm hungry!!"

[rimshot]

I suppose my parents were lucky to have a (psychologist? psychiatrist? can't remember) who actually did her job CORRECTLY. My older sister (1970-1985), when she was 1 or 2 years old, had not even ATTEMPTED to walk, and she was still crawling. So my parents had her examined and she got every test in the book (this was 1971-2, people), and finally, the doctor gave her diagnosis, "She's stubborn like a mule and will walk whenever the hell she feels like it."

Yes, that is what she said.

Several weeks later, my parents took my sister to a birthday party, and like all normal Mexican birthday parties, there was a pi

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Alas, I have no comics left from my childhood. (Thanks mom.)

I do however still have all my vinyl records. Sesame Street, Power Records, Peter Pan records. Even bought some of the storybooks that go with them from ebay. :)

I also have my dad's records from when I was a kid. I would listen to them too, which is why I am a big fan of Neil Diamond.

What does this have to do with anything? I don't know. I just woke up from a nearly 12 hour sleep after working 8 hours with close to no sleep. I couldn't tell you my own name right now.
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