That doesn't look good...

BillBrd1 · Post by **BillBrd1** » Thu Apr 11, 2002 6:25 am

On 2002-04-10 14:28, genecatlow wrote:
Aw, I wouldn't call myself a genius!

I would!

BillBrd1 · Post by **BillBrd1** » Thu Apr 11, 2002 6:31 am

[quote]
On 2002-04-10 14:59, genecatlow wrote:

Who do they think they are? That's the question
that could be asked of every person, every
group, every mob, every army, every type of
organization that takes it upon itself to
impose it's irrational hatred upon their
victims. The fact that they will attack the
helpless, in a church mission, shows that
they are true to form. Churches and the
helpless are historic favorite targets of
such groups.
[quote]

"And once again/ Such anxious men/ Find questions, but no answers" (Daily Nightly)

Tek Roo · Post by **Tek Roo** » Thu Apr 11, 2002 11:21 am

On 2002-04-10 15:13, genecatlow wrote:
*A Lot!*

Wow! You are really making it hard to me to make it to bed on time Genester, between your excellent comic and your incredibly-active forum! What a fanbase you've got! Incredible messages all the way around!

Genecatlow · Post by **Genecatlow** » Thu Apr 11, 2002 3:42 pm

On 2002-04-10 20:15, UncleMonty wrote:
This scene makes me wonder at what might happen in the next few seconds. Among the poor and helpless are no few individuals who walk a narrow line - somewhere between "odd character" and "violent lunatic".
Workers at food-banks and church shelters learn to watch for them. Their fellow unfortunates do as well, since somebody freaking out in the food-line might make some of the others lose out on a meal. An unstable situation, at best.
It is to be hoped that no-one on EITHER side of this confrontation gets too angry.

Such places *do* get a percentage of unstable
and/or unpredicatable people. That's often
what makes them unemployable. All I will say
in this case, is: what is happening at the
mission will have future effects that will
pertain directly to your statement.

Genecatlow · Post by **Genecatlow** » Thu Apr 11, 2002 3:45 pm

On 2002-04-11 07:25, BillBrd1 wrote:
On 2002-04-10 14:28, genecatlow wrote:
Aw, I wouldn't call myself a genius!
I would!

Well, I'll reserve judgement of my skills
until this first wide-ranging story is done.
Then, if I've actually been sucessful in doing
what I hope to accomplish, perhaps I will give
myself a few pats on the back.

Genecatlow · Post by **Genecatlow** » Thu Apr 11, 2002 3:50 pm

On 2002-04-11 12:21, Tek Roo wrote:
Wow! You are really making it hard to me to make it to bed on time Genester, between your excellent comic and your incredibly-active forum! What a fanbase you've got! Incredible messages all the way around!

That's another part of my working with my
online comic that I'm very proud of! The fact
that I draw in intelligent readers (yourself
included!) means that I must be doing at least
a credible job. A good comic will almost
always have good readers.

(I only wish I could show the folks on my
forum how eloquent some of my "e-mail only"
readers are!)

CyberCorn Entropic · Post by **CyberCorn Entropic** » Thu Apr 11, 2002 5:34 pm

Quoth the genecatlow:
(I only wish I could show the folks on my
forum how eloquent some of my "e-mail only"
readers are!)

Here's a suggestion. Create a seperate "Letters Column" to be populated by a rotating group of "eletters" (I say rotating because no doubt you will find the column would fill up too full in a very short order). These eletters come exclusively from your email-only fans. Those who are forum-only or forum-and-email fans don't qualify because they already have a "Letters Column": the forum itself!

I suppose you will find this a nice idea, but too unwieldy to do. Sorry, I thought it worth a shot.

CyberCorn Entropic · Post by **CyberCorn Entropic** » Thu Apr 11, 2002 6:02 pm

Quoth the BillBrd1:
But anyway, who do those furries think they are? What right do they have barging into a church as if they own the place? It's a church! Churches are supposed to be places of peace.

Who do these furries think they are? Certainly not villains.

And I am being serious here. I no more condone their ideology or actions than you do. (As a matter of fact, as I type this, I'm listening to a CD with varioua American patriotic type songs, from John Williams' "Liberty Fanfare" to William Steffe's "Battle Hymn of the Republic" to John Philip Sousa's "The Stars and Stripes Forever".)
But no one sees him/her/it/hirself as a villain. Their logic may be faulty, but they do not see themselves as evil unless they are clearly off their rocker (and some of the homeless would qualify as being worse than Borzois and the Goon Squad). The only things seperating people like the anti-human furries and those who oppose them can be as simple as who won. (The parson seems to be a true dog of the cloth, but, even in Furriston's world, his division of the Church must have seen child molesters or even (Primus forbid) people who do evil things in the name of the AllCreator. (Crusades anyone?))
As for the Goon Squad, while I am sure it is populated primarily by bullies and those who aren't really committed to the cause yet, these types of people typically do not rise to positions of power very well (but both types can make for excellent cannon fodder). Is Borzoi merely a bully put in charge of other bullies by presently unknown high-ups (by no means can he be the topmost guy among the anti-human furries), or might there be real convictions and he's still in the process of sorting them out even though he's sure he's on the right side at least?
If not, let's hope there's an important anti-human furry who is not a bully or a coward or a hanger-on but would be called a "hero" if only he had been on a different side. At the very least, the tension could be wound tighter.

Please note: this post is merely rambling speculation and rhetorical questions. If you take offense at it, remember: you and I may see the likes of Borzoi and Avariss as evil-doers, but they don't see themselves that way.

Wallaroo_Blacke · Post by **Wallaroo_Blacke** » Fri Apr 12, 2002 3:17 am

On 2002-04-09 18:53, genecatlow wrote:
Who do they think they are? Who have such
types throughout history always thought they were?
What justifications have they always used for
their acts of hate? And have not places of
worship always been favorite targets for theiractions?

Well, when you're right... YOU'RE RIGHT.

And that itself <B>IS</B>a cowardly thing to do.

Genecatlow · Post by **Genecatlow** » Fri Apr 12, 2002 3:51 pm

On 2002-04-11 18:34, CyberCorn Entropic wrote:

Here's a suggestion. Create a seperate "Letters Column" to be populated by a rotating group of "eletters" (I say rotating because no doubt you will find the column would fill up too full in a very short order). These eletters come exclusively from your email-only fans. Those who are forum-only or forum-and-email fans don't qualify because they already have a "Letters Column": the forum itself!

I suppose you will find this a nice idea, but too unwieldy to do. Sorry, I thought it worth a shot.

No, no, you missed my point: It isn't that I
couldn't post some of the e-mail comments I
get, it's just that to do so would be a
violation of the privacy of the person who
e-mailed me. If someone writes a letter to
you, with at least a general impression that
what they write could just as easily be made
public, then they mean for their words to be
written to you, alone. My statement
wasn't suggesting that such confidences be
abrogated, only lamenting that the thoughts
that have been related on my forum cannot be
augmented with those that aren't... so that
you could see how insightful they are. But
the confidences won't be abrogated, so....
just a bit of wishful thinking on my part.

Genecatlow · Post by **Genecatlow** » Fri Apr 12, 2002 4:07 pm

On 2002-04-11 19:02, CyberCorn Entropic wrote:
Quoth the BillBrd1:
But anyway, who do those furries think they are? What right do they have barging into a church as if they own the place? It's a church! Churches are supposed to be places of peace.
Who do these furries think they are? Certainly not villains.

Well, let the story proceed a bit more before
a blanket disclaimer be made for the actions
of everyone involved. Whether they ALL can be
said to be motivated by perhaps misguided but
basically moral principles is for the story
to reveal...

CyberCorn Entropic · Post by **CyberCorn Entropic** » Fri Apr 12, 2002 4:33 pm

On 2002-04-12 16:51, genecatlow wrote:
No, no, you missed my point:...

Nothing new there.

It isn't that I
couldn't post some of the e-mail comments I
get, it's just that to do so would be a
violation of the privacy of the person who
e-mailed me. If someone writes a letter to
you, with at least a general impression that
what they write could just as easily be made
public, then they mean for their words to be
written to you, alone. My statement
wasn't suggesting that such confidences be
abrogated, only lamenting that the thoughts
that have been related on my forum cannot be
augmented with those that aren't... so that
you could see how insightful they are. But
the confidences won't be abrogated, so....
just a bit of wishful thinking on my part.

In which case, I retract my suggestion and offer my apologies. I claim ignorance as usually, no one ever sends me anything unless there is money involved, either potentially or in reality. No doubt, if I ever managed to do a webcomic, I'd probably be the only one who doesn't get any fanmail or hate mail.

CyberCorn Entropic · Post by **CyberCorn Entropic** » Fri Apr 12, 2002 4:36 pm

Quoth the genecatlow:
Well, let the story proceed a bit more before
a blanket disclaimer be made for the actions
of everyone involved. Whether they ALL can be
said to be motivated by perhaps misguided but
basically moral principles is for the story
to reveal...

It wasn't meant to be a blanket disclaimer. It was meant to be a reminder that everyone has their valid (to them, if not to us) reasons for doing what they do, no matter how twisted their reasoning is.

UncleMonty · Post by **UncleMonty** » Fri Apr 12, 2002 9:57 pm

One of the most interesting things about people is that no matter how evil their deeds may be, most will have some excuse to tell the world. A reason why they were really doing the right thing, under the circumstances.
What makes this interesting, is that the press tends to (act as if they) believe those excuses...

Blame it on your parents, your finances, your politics, your religion, your gender, your video games... They'll listen and nod understandingly, and put a microphone in your hand.

Genecatlow · Post by **Genecatlow** » Sat Apr 13, 2002 4:21 pm

On 2002-04-12 17:36, CyberCorn Entropic wrote:

It wasn't meant to be a blanket disclaimer. It was meant to be a reminder that everyone has their valid (to them, if not to us) reasons for doing what they do, no matter how twisted their reasoning is.

Oh, definitely yes, they do have what
they consider valid reasons for their actions.
What I was under the impression you meant was
that the 'prime movers' in the story were
behaving under their own moral guidelines, no
matter how wrong those guidelines might be.
That is to say, even though what they are
doing might be wrong, they don't personally
believe it to be wrong, or may not know better.
And it was that aspect which I felt the story
should elucidate upon... because not knowing
that one's actions are wrong may not apply to
everyone involved...

Genecatlow · Post by **Genecatlow** » Sat Apr 13, 2002 4:22 pm

On 2002-04-12 22:57, UncleMonty wrote:
One of the most interesting things about people is that no matter how evil their deeds may be, most will have some excuse to tell the world. A reason why they were really doing the right thing, under the circumstances.
What makes this interesting, is that the press tends to (act as if they) believe those excuses...

Blame it on your parents, your finances, your politics, your religion, your gender, your video games... They'll listen and nod understandingly, and put a microphone in your hand.

With no cord attached, I hope... -_-

Bargamer · Post by **Bargamer** » Wed Apr 17, 2002 8:38 am

what im wondering is how deep is borzoi's involvment in this whole thing? first of all, he works with gene, is part of the BII, and now he's a member of the church of hate. either he's a professional meddler, or he's getting some serious backup from someone high up. and what about the failed attempt on tava? someone like avariss could easily be supporting all this chaos but the question is, would he be willing to deal with furries to do the job, if he's so furry hating?

btw, i wonder if gene is gonna let us know how the elder mother or the shadow who visited bev is doing?

Genecatlow · Post by **Genecatlow** » Wed Apr 17, 2002 1:49 pm

On 2002-04-17 09:38, bargamer wrote:
what im wondering is how deep is borzoi's involvment in this whole thing? first of all, he works with gene, is part of the BII, and now he's a member of the church of hate. either he's a professional meddler, or he's getting some serious backup from someone high up. and what about the failed attempt on tava? someone like avariss could easily be supporting all this chaos but the question is, would he be willing to deal with furries to do the job, if he's so furry hating?

btw, i wonder if gene is gonna let us know how the elder mother or the shadow who visited bev is doing?

Borzoi is a repositor, which means he has the
same job that CatsWhisker has. Gene primarily
works with CW at her BII office. Borzoi doesn't
work there, so Gene doesn't really know him.
There are quite a few reasons why Borzoi is
doing what he's doing, but it's for the story
to reveal. The shadow person who visited Bev
*is* the elder mother, and she will return to
the story very shortly.