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Re: Get Ya Freak On.

Postby Phact0rri on Fri Dec 04, 2009 11:28 am

you won't get any disagreement from me. the Music business, is Business first.
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Re: Get Ya Freak On.

Postby McDuffies on Tue Dec 22, 2009 4:29 pm

It's why big bands and orchestras went away for the most part and why guitars and synths are involved in almost everything we listen to.

I always thought that guitars took over precendence because they're best sounding instrument in hands of a mediocre player. I might be wrong but it seems to me that a player has to practice a lot more to get a decent, full sound out of, say, trumpet, than out of a guitar.
But that's kinda digression.

I'm an album guy. To me a song is just a 5 min piece of music, I mean it can be great and self-contained all right, but listening to a full album is an entire experience. Like how a short movie may be great, but you still want to see that director making a feature.
There are people who think different, of course. Lately I got to an arguement with a friend (who considers albums just collections of independent songs) who was showing me one of those top 100 lists of best songs ever, a thing I found utterly pointless (moreso than lists of albums). I mean, an average album ecompases a much wider range of emotions and themes than a single song, so when you take albums which are of substantially different sort, they are more comparable than single songs. I mean there's simply more to compare by. Plus "Hotel California" is not that great a song.

I suppose it would help me to think of singles as independent releases instead as mere promotional bits for albums if singles weren't always taken from the latest albums (like Beatles did, hyaah)

B-sides are another thing. I figure you always write some songs that aren't very good, but aren't all that bad so you wanna release them somehow but you don't wanna spoil an album, if you already have enough better songs for it... so that gets to B-sides cause you know that a huge fan will like to get his hands on it, but not lesser fan who wouldn't be interested anyways.
One thing is sure, though, an artist has to be measured by the strength of his album minus singles. Every anti-talent is capable of eventually nabbing a catchy hit song out of sheer luck (or statistics), but it takes a talented musician to fill an entire album with them.

So anyways, a report: I'm listening to a new Hope Sandoval album here. Otherwise I mostly listen to Rodrigo y Gabriela these days.
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Re: Get Ya Freak On.

Postby McDuffies on Mon Dec 28, 2009 11:56 am

Remember how we made lists of top 10 albums last new year's? I liked how that turned out, so I'm making my list this year too. Anyone else up for it?
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Re: Get Ya Freak On.

Postby Phact0rri on Tue Dec 29, 2009 1:07 pm

I could throw one up I believe. Haven't listened to much on the side of indie this year though. So I'd be looking forward to what all you guys dug as the strongest releases.
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Re: Get Ya Freak On.

Postby McDuffies on Wed Dec 30, 2009 7:42 am

I on the other hand am all indy :( It's not that I haven't listened to anything else, it's that when I did, it usually wasn't recent stuff.
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Re: Get Ya Freak On.

Postby Phact0rri on Thu Dec 31, 2009 2:38 am

I expect no less from you MCD.
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Re: Get Ya Freak On.

Postby McDuffies on Thu Dec 31, 2009 8:08 am

Now I'm only wondering whether to write or draw it.
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Re: Get Ya Freak On.

Postby Phact0rri on Thu Dec 31, 2009 6:56 pm

hmms... I wonder if others would join in if it was drawn.
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Re: Get Ya Freak On.

Postby McDuffies on Fri Jan 01, 2010 7:20 am

It's not a very visual content though.
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Re: Get Ya Freak On.

Postby Yeahduff on Sat Jan 02, 2010 9:37 am

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価値がない2009年の上25のアルバム
25. Metric. Fantasies.
24. Sonic Youth. The Eternal.
23. Rihanna. Rated R.
22. Neko Case. Middle Cyclone.
21. Micachu. Jewellerly.
20. XX.
19. AC Newman. Get Guilty.
18. The Juan McLean. The Future Will Come.
17. Dirty Projectors. Bitte Orca.
16. Kid Sister. Ultraviolet.
15. Raekwon ft Ghostface. Only Built for Cuban Linx Pt II
14. Franz Ferdinand. Tonight.
13. YeahYeahYeahs. It's Blitz.
12. Brilliant Colors. Introducing.
11. The Field. Yesterday And Today.
10. PJ Harvey & John Parrish. A Man, A Woman Walked By.
9. The Pains of Being Pure At Heart.
8. Annie. Don't Stop.
7. Electrik Red. How To Be a Lady Vol 1.
6. Ryan Leslie. Transitions.
5. Kaito. Trust.
4. DJ Quik and Kurupt. BlaQKout.
3. Asobi Seksu. Hush.
2. The Dream. Love Vs. Money.
1. Vivian Girls. Everything Goes Wrong.
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Re: Get Ya Freak On.

Postby Phact0rri on Sat Jan 02, 2010 12:33 pm

I've only listened to half the stuff (almost exactly) from Duffs list... I shall have to give a go to some of this I've not yet heard.
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Re: Get Ya Freak On.

Postby McDuffies on Sun Jan 03, 2010 3:03 pm

I've only listened to a few, like, PJ and Franz and the-Dream and a few others... There were some that I really meant to listen, like I've heard a lot of good stuff about Dirty Projectors.
Edit: Oh, Sonic Youth were good too.
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Re: Get Ya Freak On.

Postby McDuffies on Sun Jan 03, 2010 5:46 pm

1. Bomb the Music Industry! - Scrambles
"Bomb The Music Industry" are punkers who make really good albums for under 50$ and then distribute them free over the internet, and generally fight against the music industry by setting a great example.
What's great about "Scrambles" is that it's raw and agressive, but still carefully crafter, eclectic and in general a work of dedication. Arrangements are specially nice, punk demands a power trio with very distorted guitars, but there are also ska trumpets, expressionistic piano, electronic blips and even a few samples. We will rarely hear the same thing played twice exactly the same on this album; things change, and new things get added all the time. This is so rare for punk, making it greater that none of the rage and immediacy has been sacrificed. The leader Jeff Rosenstock has a voice that cracks on every refrain, which is also great.
As for songs, they cover an array of punk modes: ska, hc, pop, Pogues-type ballads, even disco. Album mostly doesn't have a weak song, and most of them are really great, they're are about mondane things, daily annoyances and neurosis, and lyrics like "If you don't get a steady job now/If you don't find someone to love now/You will die freezing, cold death and alone" ("Fresh Attitude, Young Body") sometimes hit rather close to home.
So asides from being both musically great and socially conscious, "Scrambles" also returnes faith in punk which has, for previous decades, been successfully castrated by various punk boy-bands whyning petty teenage wannabe-socially-conscious lyrics.
Favourite song: "(Shut) up the punx". Energy bomb.

2. Clues - Clues
So it starts a bit unimpressive and sounds a bit too much like "Death Cab For Cutie", but two and a half minutes after the beginning, strange riffs begin, followed by discharmonic sounds, clunking, sudden tempo changes and vocal that whispers somewhere halfway between indy rock and horror narrator. And it goes on like that until the end of the album.
Songs are bizzare, atmospherical and challenging, but on the other hand they're very melodic and catchy, nothing here is particularly jarring, and there's no deliberate testing of listener's patience that bands who aim for experimental usually have. "Clues" with every song build a strange little world, scary but alluring, in which to drag you. Songs vary from so lhetargic that they could put you into a coma, to very energetic ones (though not as energetic as "Bomb the Music Industry").
Favourite song: "Leadmonton". Changes genre, like, three times in first minute.

3. The Decemberists - The Hazards of Love
Rock opera by Decemberists was inevitable since each new album of theirs was more and more conceptual. This one is rockiest than their previous, brittish folk and sea shanties aren't the main thing now, the accent is on riffs. Compared to conceptual albums in general, this is as good as it gets: story can be followed through actual songs, unlike most of conceptual albums where you require liner notes to follow through; also there aren't filler songs to move the concept forward lyrically without owning up in musical ideas; so "Hazards of Love" avoided two of the most annoying problems of concept albums. Colin is undoubtly a current master of narration in pop song format, and still less pretentious than "Pink Flayd" or "Genesis".
Concept is a double-edged sword because album suffers if you're listening to it in the background: too many repetitive musical light-mothives and not too many songs that function independently; album is, obviously, less instantly accessible. On the other hand, there's the whole story which, like any good fairy-tale, combines romance and horror, atmosphere that drags you in, and album combines the best of experiences of watching a great film and listening to a great music. It's something that ordinary album doesn't do. "Hazards of Love" is also a real emotional rollercoaster, throwing you around into different moods, as the story goes. And the riffs are really great.
Favourite song: "Repaid".

4. Joker's Daughter - The Last Laugh
Dangermouse is something like modern Joe Meek (minus commercial failures), a producer who wants to be a digital painter, using album as canvas, sounds as paint - or rather, a studio as a really expensive musical instrument. Subsequently, he insists to be a co-author of all the stuff he produces. This succeeded in "Gnarls Barkley", much less in "Gorillaz" where Damon Albarn had to be a boss. Now he's in "Joker's Daughter" with Helena Costas, Greek singer.
She has an angel's voice and genuine feel for a good melody, and brings in musical influences generally alien to Anglo-American music. Dangermouse mostly works with strings and acoustic guitar, and his usual electronic is really few and unintrusive. It's eerie, sensual music that can, from time to time, send shivers down your spine.
Favourite song: "Jessie the Goat". Definitely not what I'd imagine when you say "Greek folk".

5. Mando Diao - Give me fire
I heard their albums before, and they were usually a rather bland indy-rock, with only a few decent songs on each pushed out as singles. First thing that's great about this album is the energy: it's as if they finally managed to get the feel of the manic live performance in studio (although as far as I know they might've only learned to play just now). Second nice thing is a certain kitch, pathos, theatrical feel that their songs have; it's as if they were written for Tom Jones or Frank Sinatra and then instead of that turned into fierce indy-rock. In the end, there's more than a few future rock anthems in there. Great stuff.
Favourite song: "Give me Fire" pretty much sublimes the rest of the album.

6. Rodrigo y Gabriela - 11:11
Rodrigo and Gabriela are two Mexicans who left their trash metal band to play acoustic music influenced by flamenco. So we have two acoustic guitars playing at breakneck speed, combining rhythms and harmonies from repertoire of pop music with hispanoamerican, adding occasionally even a characteristic metal solo. Electric guitar is played only in a few instances, and there's no rhythm section, so two guitars usually switch in that role, and there's also plenty of various "effects", which you wouldn't believe are playable on an unplugged guitar.
So, it's funny, exciting, not too folky (luckily), at times amazingly skillful, and taken from someone who doesn't listen to too many instrumental albums, good stuff.

7. Andrew Bird - Useless Creatures
So he made "Noble Beast", which is an album of a very reliably good pop, catchy yet intelectual, almost too reliable because you always want to listen to something screeching, clunking, or being generally unpredictable. "Useless Creatures" is a bonus given with "Noble Beast" and as album suggest it's full of instrumental leftovers from recording sessoins, which were too good to just throw away. "Useless Creatures" is a great companion to listening to the main album, as it turns attention to some of, dare I say, avant-guarde elements of his pop formula, such as Velvet-Underground-influenced meandering violin backing. It certainly throws a different light at the main album.
More importantly "Useless Creatures" catches the musician in studio in mid-work, eager to experiment, at times relaxed and at others nervously creative. Imagine a work room with papers thrown all around on the floor, sketches of emerging things everywhere. Songs vary from short, concise bits to lengthy jams, and sometimes it's hard to work through ten minutes of discharmonic and aimless violin noodling of "The Barn Tapes", but that's just the looseness and excotement that is it's main appeal.
And unlike countless rarities and bootlegs, stuff here is really released only because it's good.

8. The Boy Least Likely To - The Laws of Playground
In short, this is this year's pick of unpretentious, catchy pop. It's cute, there's a lot of husic hall influence, violin in the background, generally a joyous listen.

9. Beirut - March of the Zapotec/Holland EP
This is actually two EP's released together. Reason is, as an LP, these two would make a really incoherent whole, what with one side being extension of Beirut's usual folk research to South America (we were wondering what's next), and the second side being his first try at electronica in manner of jolly euro-dance, which lies at odds with Beirut's melancholic baritone; truly interesting stuff, somewhat confusing because you don't really know how to take it, which makes it interesting, but Beirut still has some work because he can call Beck Hansen out to duel. But it's cool, he's still young.
While this is not as good as his previous albums (which is prolly another reason why it's not a proper LP), this might mean that he is getting rid of loose ends while he's sitting somewhere and preparing a new masterpiece.

10. Munchausen by Proxy - Yes Man OST
So I sat there for a few days not being able what to put to 10th place, there were several potential candidates including Julian Casablancas, Daniel Johnston, Art Brut, Kate Miller-Heidke etc, and just as I pruned it down to Madness versus Os Mutantes who both got my points for releasing good albums after really really really long time, I managed to remember something; it's not a proper album on many grounds: First, it's a soundtrack. Second, while it's released in 2009, film is from 2008 so it makes it a narrow fit. Third, most of the soundtrack is old songs by Eels, so list placement is based on only four songs made by Munchausen By Proxy. This band is basically Zooey Deschanel with some backing, and is a band in which she, as character from the film, performs.
So I figured, instead of choosing between a number of albums which I thought were good or decent, it's better to add four songs which really sweeped me away. This is dance-pop stuff with pulsing rhythm, not alike "She and Him", Zooey is charming as she sings, goes into monologues, rambles on or whatever she finds fitting, all to a pulsing synthesizer rhythm at the back.
(Film is not very good though: Jim Carrey doing about the only thing Jim Carey knows how to do, which is being annoying through desperate attempts to be charming, with some pseudo-psychological nonsence and a lot of idiot ball being thrown around.)
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Re: Get Ya Freak On.

Postby Bustertheclown on Wed Apr 07, 2010 4:20 pm

So, I just spent actual legal currency on music for the first time in a couple of years. Mostly, I've been using Coke Rewards points to download stuff from Rhapsody and Napster lately, or I've just listened to internet radio. Today, however, I went into Hastings to look for Gorillaz Plastic Beach, and sitting right in front of the Gorillaz standee was a fabulous thing: Sub Pop and Matador albums on sale for $7.99 each. So, along with Plastic Beach, I also helped myself to Iron & Wine Our Endless Numbered Days, The New Pornographers Challengers, and Blitzen Trapper Furr, which I have really wanted to get for a few months now.

I must say, I love Hastings. It's like they know just what I want, when I want it, and the price I'm willing to pay to get it. I feel bad for people who don't know the glory that is such a store.
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Re: Get Ya Freak On.

Postby Yeahduff on Wed Apr 07, 2010 6:42 pm

Bought Raekwon's Only Built For Cuban Linx and Eliot Smith's XO at a Hastings for mad cheap.

Didja know New Pornographers have a new record coming out? The few songs are heard are pretty good. More upbeat than Challengers.
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Re: Get Ya Freak On.

Postby Phact0rri on Fri Apr 09, 2010 12:35 am

haven't hear anything by the New Pornographer's in ages. might have to check this out when its released.
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Re: Get Ya Freak On.

Postby Bustertheclown on Sat Apr 10, 2010 12:30 am

Yeahduff wrote:
Didja know New Pornographers have a new record coming out? The few songs are heard are pretty good. More upbeat than Challengers.


I didn't know, but I'm glad to hear it. Challengers is pretty somber, which surprised me a bit, since Twin Cinemas, Electric Version and Mass Romantic are fairly upbeat. Heck, that's the part of their music that I fell in love with first.
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Re: Get Ya Freak On.

Postby Yeahduff on Sat Apr 10, 2010 9:42 am

Everyone was taken aback by that, yeah. Still, the title track is just gorgeous.

Only new things I've really listened to this year are Beach House and Pantha Du Prince. Both recommended.
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Re: Get Ya Freak On.

Postby Bustertheclown on Sat Apr 10, 2010 2:41 pm

I gotta say, I'm really digging Plastic Beach, especially the second half of the album.
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Re: Get Ya Freak On.

Postby McDuffies on Mon Apr 12, 2010 9:29 am

I'm mostly listening to Joanna Newsom now. It kinda doesn't leave me time to listen to anything else much. Nevertheless it's a wonderful album, gets a bit too slow near the fourth half, but it's overflowing with great songs.

I've listened to new Spoon... didn't impress me, I didn't catch any great songs on it.
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