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Yes, there was a misunderstanding.

I have put up my "Stuff todo on CG" list up on the CG Wiki, at http://cgwiki.comicgenesis.com/index.ph ... _Todo_List .
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If we're going to be informed about some important stuff through our siteadmin pages... I don't think it's going to be very effective. I myself visit those pages very rarely, once in a while I need to update it manually or change the newsbox, but that's very rare occasion, and I donćt check logs regularily either.
I thought that mailing list was the tool for official announcement, the most effective too, I think. It's very much dead, though.

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Yeah, I'm not too sure about that siteadmin idea too...a decent idea, but not often visited...

You need an email address to sign up for an account. Couldn't you simply spam everyone if there's an important announcement such as this? Sure, no one likes to get spammed, and it probably violates the TOS (too lazy to check)...but you do say these announcements would come rarely if at all.

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That will be my next step now -- bringing in the old KeenSpace annoucements Yahoo! Group and taking it in-house, using the email addresses we already have. Going to have to sort things out to save our bandwidth and not kill folks over things (while having a reply-email for bounces).

If you use a white-list aproach to email filtering, please whitelist tygris and alerts over at comicgenesis (dot) com. I'll be checking the bounces as well as the DNSBL lists.
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Maintaining an email list is not required by, nor disallowed by, the TOS. I don't think that announcements made via email qualify as a "notification in person" nor are they "notification by US postal mail" so in effect, a notification via email would be invalid.

Not to be blunt, but Keenspot is a company, and it really needs to have the TOS evaluated and rewritten by an actual lawyer, who knows what Keenspot wants, and knows how to word the document properly.

If Keenspot cannot afford a lawyer, they should be able to visit any college offering a law degree. I'm sure the seniors have classes that require them to assist local businesses - the ones in St. Louis have that requirement for all their business related majors.

IMHO, I'd rather have a more restrictive TOS that Keenspot is committed to following, than a less restrictive one that they don't bother to follow.

Consider the major errors in the TOS that I found (sans any legal training except for a couple college courses and "life"):

1) There is no provision for the changing of the TOS, making any changes in the TOS invalid unless re-signed. You simply cannot change the text of a signed contract and have it remain valid, unless there is a provision for you to do so, and/or the changes have been agreed to by both parties. Technically, by revising the TOS, Keenspot has invalidated it unless all artists re-click "I agree" or at the very least, Keenspot calls each artist and/or sends them a letter informing them of the change and giving them the opportunity to opt out.

2) The provision for notification of changes arising from the TOS requires personal delivery of the information or US postal service. Keenspot is an internet based company - good grief, why isn't something to the effect of, "the artist will maintain a good email address on file with Keenspot and announcements will be sent to this email address as needed." included in there? What about international hosting? You do a lot of that - the US postal service ends when the letter gets to the other country (afaik).

3) Any dispute is handled via mediation. Fine. But the client gets to pick the mediator? And you pay half the fee? That's very nice of you! That will suck the first time the client picks a pricy law firm. Keenspot has to scrape to pay for an administrator, or memory upgrades. How are you going to front a grand or so as your half of the cost? Keenspot should have an assigned mediator, say the Better Business Bureau (which again, is free).

Not to mention, all the above could have been settled simply if Keenspot had in the TOS, "the artist retains all copyrights and trademarks... blah blah blah... Keenspot reserves the right to insert promotional materials as described in section 1; The insertion of these materials may alter the design of the site, and as a part of being hosted on Keenspace, the artist agrees to this one exception to the control of their copyrights."

This is not a rant against Keenspot, and I want to make that clear. It's just obvious that Keenspot is not adhering to their end of the TOS, and in some cases, is probably unable to do so (10,000 us postal letters times $0.20 per postcard is $2000...). It sounds good. It sounds friendly even. But if it can't be followed by both parties, then what good is it at all?
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Okay guys, I'm a little lost here. Lotta 'insider-chat' and stuff that I'm not following.

Do I put ***keenspace_alert*** under ***advertisement*** (before the div class=main) or not? I'm gonna make the change to my offline indextemplate.html file and I want a straight answer before the end of Friday US westside time, that way I can upload it b/f I load the next comic.

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chaoticcomics wrote:Okay guys, I'm a little lost here. Lotta 'insider-chat' and stuff that I'm not following.

Do I put ***keenspace_alert*** under ***advertisement*** (before the div class=main) or not? I'm gonna make the change to my offline indextemplate.html file and I want a straight answer before the end of Friday US westside time, that way I can upload it b/f I load the next comic.
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chaoticcomics wrote:Okay guys, I'm a little lost here. Lotta 'insider-chat' and stuff that I'm not following.

Do I put ***keenspace_alert*** under ***advertisement*** (before the div class=main) or not? I'm gonna make the change to my offline indextemplate.html file and I want a straight answer before the end of Friday US westside time, that way I can upload it b/f I load the next comic.
You can put ***keenspace_alert*** in any place you wish, but I would hold of on putting it in your pages now. We're reworking things (again).
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Well, thanks guys and gals. :D That's all I really needed to know. I'll just leave it on my off-line copy until the issue is settled.

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Shouldn't it be a ***comicgenesis_alert*** anyway? :-?
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