Garfield-The Web Comic???

Warren · Post by **Warren** » Sat Jul 09, 2005 8:36 pm

Sortelli wrote:Also, Warren, you're forgetting the fifth element of webcomics! It's not enough alone for Jon to be gay. Garfield would have to be an anthropomorphic lesbian/bi-sexual catgirl.

You're right. Forgot about the cat-girl. Maybe Arleen would do?

My God, I remembered the girl-cat name without having to look it up. I'm so ashamed.

And, there would also be a prominent "tip jar" and Cafe Press merchandise.

Sortelli · Post by **Sortelli** » Sat Jul 09, 2005 10:17 pm

Oh God. So many visuals. @_@

Don't be ashamed, I not only remember her name, but also some characters from the anime-ish Heathcliff cartoon.

Risky · Post by **Risky** » Sat Jul 09, 2005 10:34 pm

Yes, kkb keeps reminding me of that girl from heathcliff n friends with the legwarmers. Cleo I think.

Sortelli · Post by **Sortelli** » Sat Jul 09, 2005 10:51 pm

Yes, Cleo. She dated the leader of the junkyard cats, a little guy with a hat. They had a big lunk named Mongo as a friend.

Jackhass · Post by **Jackhass** » Sun Jul 10, 2005 2:08 am

Sure...despite the bashing it gets from those in the webcomics community, Garfield is better made than the vast majority of webcomics out there.

McDuffies · Post by **McDuffies** » Sun Jul 10, 2005 2:46 am

Sortelli wrote:
mcDuffies wrote:On the other hand, I claim that someone should put up Bill Watterson to making webcomics. He'd have all artistic freedom he desires, and he'd have a good start popularity because he's a Bill fuckin' Watterson. And we'd be happy he's making comics again - everyone happy!
No way. The last days of Calvin and Hobbes was a painful, cynical wankfest. The dude didn't quit soon enough.

It pains me to think it, but there's a point when good things must end, or they just stop being good. We'd remember Garfield more fondly if it wasn't run into the ground over and over. Berkley Breathed should have stayed in retirement.

It doesn't have to be "Calvin and Hobbes". If he lost touch for that comic it is hard for me to believe that he lost touch for making comics in general. That's why I'm puzzled by his current lack of production.

Humbug · Post by **Humbug** » Sun Jul 10, 2005 2:56 am

It'll probably do well for casual reading. And most people won't keep coming back for it. I imagine it would still have a steady fanbase.

Dotty · Post by **Dotty** » Sun Jul 10, 2005 5:10 am

Jackhass wrote:Sure...despite the bashing it gets from those in the webcomics community, Garfield is better made than the vast majority of webcomics out there.

That applies to pretty much everything, though. As much as I appreciate artistic freedom and all that, webcomics really should have some kind of entry test

Kalle B · Post by **Kalle B** » Sun Jul 10, 2005 5:11 am

Sortelli wrote:
mcDuffies wrote:On the other hand, I claim that someone should put up Bill Watterson to making webcomics. He'd have all artistic freedom he desires, and he'd have a good start popularity because he's a Bill fuckin' Watterson. And we'd be happy he's making comics again - everyone happy!
No way. The last days of Calvin and Hobbes was a painful, cynical wankfest. The dude didn't quit soon enough.

We don't have to presume that Bill Watterson would necessarily have to continue making Calvin and Hobbes. Maybe he would be highly successful with a bitter, cynical comic. Or, I dunno, a comic about a geeky gamer college kid and his bisexual tiger catgirl friend.

/Kalle B

Sortelli · Post by **Sortelli** » Sun Jul 10, 2005 12:45 pm

Kalle B wrote:Maybe he would be highly successful with a bitter, cynical comic.

Because of my bitter cynicism, I HATE bitter cynical comics!

Anywherebuthere · Post by **Anywherebuthere** » Sun Jul 10, 2005 2:54 pm

Well, I have now just become a bitter cynic because of your bitter cynicism twords bitter cynics.

I hope you're happy.

Sortelli · Post by **Sortelli** » Sun Jul 10, 2005 4:05 pm

You're WELCOME!

PS: No, I'm NOT HAPPY.

PPS: THANK YOU FOR ASKING.

Vorticus · Post by **Vorticus** » Sun Jul 10, 2005 4:28 pm

TdotOdot2k wrote:
Jackhass wrote:Sure...despite the bashing it gets from those in the webcomics community, Garfield is better made than the vast majority of webcomics out there.
That applies to pretty much everything, though. As much as I appreciate artistic freedom and all that, webcomics really should have some kind of entry test

Do you have any specifics in mind?

Risky · Post by **Risky** » Sun Jul 10, 2005 6:39 pm

If you want webcomics that had to pass an "entry test", they are certainly out there. Try moderntales or keenspot. However, you'll still find some stuff that is subgarfield.

The Neko · Post by **The Neko** » Sun Jul 10, 2005 7:00 pm

Risky wrote:If you want webcomics that had to pass an "entry test", they are certainly out there. Try moderntales or keenspot. However, you'll still find some stuff that is subgarfield.

KeenSpot's "entry test" is more vague than the ones for the newspaper syndicates.

Risky · Post by **Risky** » Sun Jul 10, 2005 7:02 pm

The Neko wrote:
Risky wrote:If you want webcomics that had to pass an "entry test", they are certainly out there. Try moderntales or keenspot. However, you'll still find some stuff that is subgarfield.
KeenSpot's "entry test" is more vague than the ones for the newspaper syndicates.

Indeed, although they are both quite vague. Or at least, one begins to question what exactly the criteria are when looking at either. However, there is a shortage of notebook paper involved in the drawing of both, which can be a plus.

Gengar003 · Post by **Gengar003** » Sun Jul 10, 2005 7:03 pm

TdotOdot2k wrote: webcomics really should have some kind of entry test

That's the beauty of webcomics, that there ISN'T an entry test. Paper is expensive, and anyone who wants to make it as a comic artist pre-internet has to invest a significant amount of money, or be really good and get syndicated or at least hired or something.

The (relatively or not) poor people witha good idea who want to develop their skills can do so, but can't really gain an audience as they have no means of publishing it.

Now with the web, they (most people with artistic skill; very few actually make it big-time), too, attract an audience.

Crappy webcomics? There's crappy everything. There will always be someone doing a given activity poorly; we just need to learn to live with it.

I say most of this mainly because I don't think I would have passed an "entry test" of some sort.

Sortelli · Post by **Sortelli** » Sun Jul 10, 2005 7:06 pm

I always have a twinge of guilt when I think about that, knowing they talked up the importance of update schedules right before I said WHEEE KEENSPOT... WHEEEE NO COMICS! I imagine I caused whichever members of the Four who initiated my invite much embarassment.

You know, I'm with Gengar, if there had been some sort of bar exam to put silly pictures online I never would have bothered getting started.

Warren · Post by **Warren** » Sun Jul 10, 2005 7:33 pm

Word.

And paper needn't be expensive. You can have a perfectly respectable webcomic running for years on rollerball pens from WalMart and stolen copy machine paper from work.

You know... theoretically.

Dotty · Post by **Dotty** » Sun Jul 10, 2005 7:50 pm

Gengar003 wrote:
TdotOdot2k wrote: webcomics really should have some kind of entry test
That's the beauty of webcomics, that there ISN'T an entry test. Paper is expensive, and anyone who wants to make it as a comic artist pre-internet has to invest a significant amount of money, or be really good and get syndicated or at least hired or something.

The (relatively or not) poor people witha good idea who want to develop their skills can do so, but can't really gain an audience as they have no means of publishing it.

Now with the web, they (most people with artistic skill; very few actually make it big-time), too, attract an audience.

Crappy webcomics? There's crappy everything. There will always be someone doing a given activity poorly; we just need to learn to live with it.

I say most of this mainly because I don't think I would have passed an "entry test" of some sort.

Don't get me wrong, I agree with you. I'm a big preacher of freedom of speech and all that. I'm down with everyone having equal rights, and I'm down with a large universe of webcomics.

What I'm not down with is getting trash talked because I chose keenspace as my webcomic host. That because I use keenspace, I'm not a professional...and when you ask what the fuck the ones who say this are smoking, as we have MANY quality comics, I'll be damned if they don't link me to the ugliest thing I've ever laid my eyes on.

In other words, I'm synonimous with garbage. I don't really care for that, and yes, I'm trying to work to get that opinion changed by putting out the best I can do, as are many of us.

So what I said, it was pretty much in jest, but I do have underlying feelings of resentment for being compared to a comic that updated twice and is 8 times the size of my screen resolution, done in colored pencil ONLY using pinks yellows and blues, with sub-stickmen type art (Nanda and Vileterror are prime examples that both stick figures, and large screen sizes can have a purpose, respectively).

I guess that's what I get for joining a webcomic collective for its awesome community. Damn my thought patterns. Damn them to hell.