How Can I Promote My Webcomic?

For discussions, announcements, non-technical questions and anything else comics-related or otherwise that doesn't fit in any of the other categories.
User avatar
Leko
Cartoon Hero
Posts: 2263
Joined: Mon Dec 27, 2004 9:42 pm
Location: Wandering my psyche in search of my mind
Contact:

Post by Leko »

specterz wrote::oops:
You just told me no one will ever read my comic...
Then stop telling people it sucks, stupid!

Actually I read your archives yesterday and found your humor just my cup of tea. There's something about abusive sarcasm that just makes me smile. :)
Thespiphobia: (n) An irrational fear of actors.
From Greek: thespian (actor), phobos (fear).
Image Image Image
ImageANARCHY! ANARCHY! ANARCHY!

User avatar
RPin
Gentleman Pornographer
Posts: 2930
Joined: Fri Jul 18, 2003 8:12 am
Location: I'm off to Brazil, bitches!
Contact:

Post by RPin »

Keffria wrote:It seems to me that, unless you're an insanely dedicated person, taking the "bastard" approach is just going to burn you out that much faster. If drawing your comic takes away from things you enjoy, it's time to take a step back, because that's unhealthy, in the same way that any other activity would be if it ruled your life.
I find it hard to disagree with you as always, J. On the other hand...

Do you believe in the opposite?

User avatar
Anywherebuthere
Cartoon Hero
Posts: 1500
Joined: Tue Jan 04, 2005 8:29 pm
Location: North-da-fucking-kota
Contact:

Post by Anywherebuthere »

The Neko wrote:Man, you really do get used to updating at 3AM after a while.
Unless you have a buffer.


BUFFER PEOPLE! COME ON, BUFFER!

Although, that doesn't help if you read through some buffered stuff and realized that you REALLLY needed to change focus for a second, and had to redo a weeks worth of strips.

BUT, if I hadn't buffered I wouldn't have read through them and gone "huh, you know what I completly missed something here...I need to redo this".

BUFFER...it is your friend.

User avatar
Cope
Incompetent Monster
Posts: 7360
Joined: Sat Jul 31, 2004 8:37 pm
Location: Masked man of mystery
Contact:

Post by Cope »

anywherebuthere wrote:BUFFER...it is your friend.
Pah! That bitch just up and left me one day without even saying good-bye. Friend indeed!
Image Image
"I've always been fascinated by failure!" -Charlie Brown

User avatar
Anywherebuthere
Cartoon Hero
Posts: 1500
Joined: Tue Jan 04, 2005 8:29 pm
Location: North-da-fucking-kota
Contact:

Post by Anywherebuthere »

Well, I guess when you pimpsmack her she's apt to be bitchy....

User avatar
Cope
Incompetent Monster
Posts: 7360
Joined: Sat Jul 31, 2004 8:37 pm
Location: Masked man of mystery
Contact:

Post by Cope »

Don't tell me how to treat my bitch! She'sh mine and I'll treat her how I wanna! I told the copsh thaaa-at...but thoshe pigsh wouldn't lishen...damn pigs an' their capshicun spray...
Image Image
"I've always been fascinated by failure!" -Charlie Brown

User avatar
Anywherebuthere
Cartoon Hero
Posts: 1500
Joined: Tue Jan 04, 2005 8:29 pm
Location: North-da-fucking-kota
Contact:

Post by Anywherebuthere »

Looks like we have a domestic disturbance...









...walks out of the room before I get stuck like a pig with a switch.

User avatar
Bekka
Regular Poster
Posts: 515
Joined: Mon Jun 07, 2004 5:52 am

Post by Bekka »

Keffria wrote:
Bekka wrote:Aside from this, if updating in time means going to bed at 3:30am because I have to finish colouring, 3:30am it is. In a nutshell: it's been said several times, but you have to work very hard. If you can dedicate 30 hours a week to your comic, do it. If you can dedicate more, better.

When I went to the UK Webcomic Thing, John Allison of Scary Go Round was speaking at the webcomic panel and said a thing that I related very much to. As a webcomic author, he said, you have to be a real bastard to yourself. It's true, he's right. There are times that you'd rather go out with your mates, or go to the movies, or play a game, but you just tell yourself to fuck off, sit down and draw until your eyes close and the pen falls off your hands.
Wow. I could never do that; there are many, many times when I sit down to work on my comic, and I think to myself "Geez, I really don't feel like doing this right now. I think I'll go read/watch a movie/get some sunlight/etc..." -- so I do. And yes, I've missed updates, and take a hiatus basically every time I have to write an exam - but I'm still doing my comic, and my readership is still growing.

It seems to me that, unless you're an insanely dedicated person, taking the "bastard" approach is just going to burn you out that much faster. If drawing your comic takes away from things you enjoy, it's time to take a step back, because that's unhealthy, in the same way that any other activity would be if it ruled your life.

Oh, and I must say, working on a collaboration project is a perfect way to promote your comic. I get a lot of hits from the Golden site.
Well, it doesn't mean that you just give up the rest of your life and draw until your hands bleed, with no enjoyment of it.

It means that if you have to be very self-disciplined. I have three hobbies, gaming, karate and drawing the comic. I don't need self-discipline to game, rather to logout, but for the other two I do. Many times I moan to myself that I'd rather sit in front of the telly with a cup of coffee, or whatever, rather than getting my ass kicked or sitting down to draw. When I get past the lazy bit and get doing it, though, I love both things with a passion. For me drawing the comic is a joy, not a chore. Disclaimer just in case you thought I was promoting insanity and giving up on life's pleasures :)
-------------
Gianna
http://www.thenoobcomic.com

Asuria
Regular Poster
Posts: 36
Joined: Sun May 15, 2005 9:15 am
Location: Belgium

Post by Asuria »

Yay! I got accepted in onlinecomics.net!
And Yuy I get 30 times more unique visitors than I did before! :D

User avatar
Specterz
Regular Poster
Posts: 200
Joined: Tue May 17, 2005 11:18 am
Location: Netherlands

Post by Specterz »

Leko wrote:
specterz wrote::oops:
You just told me no one will ever read my comic...
Then stop telling people it sucks, stupid!

Actually I read your archives yesterday and found your humor just my cup of tea. There's something about abusive sarcasm that just makes me smile. :)
Hehe thanks. I never tell people it sucks! My comic is the best! Yeah! Indeed! It is not to be doubted! It is the truth! My comic cures cancer!
Image
<a href="http://gamingalive.comicgenesis.com">Gaming Alive</a> updates TT!

User avatar
Lintjinks
Regular Poster
Posts: 161
Joined: Wed Feb 25, 2004 12:39 pm
Location: Utah
Contact:

Post by Lintjinks »

Bekka wrote:
Keffria wrote:
Bekka wrote:Aside from this, if updating in time means going to bed at 3:30am because I have to finish colouring, 3:30am it is. In a nutshell: it's been said several times, but you have to work very hard. If you can dedicate 30 hours a week to your comic, do it. If you can dedicate more, better.

When I went to the UK Webcomic Thing, John Allison of Scary Go Round was speaking at the webcomic panel and said a thing that I related very much to. As a webcomic author, he said, you have to be a real bastard to yourself. It's true, he's right. There are times that you'd rather go out with your mates, or go to the movies, or play a game, but you just tell yourself to fuck off, sit down and draw until your eyes close and the pen falls off your hands.
Wow. I could never do that; there are many, many times when I sit down to work on my comic, and I think to myself "Geez, I really don't feel like doing this right now. I think I'll go read/watch a movie/get some sunlight/etc..." -- so I do. And yes, I've missed updates, and take a hiatus basically every time I have to write an exam - but I'm still doing my comic, and my readership is still growing.

It seems to me that, unless you're an insanely dedicated person, taking the "bastard" approach is just going to burn you out that much faster. If drawing your comic takes away from things you enjoy, it's time to take a step back, because that's unhealthy, in the same way that any other activity would be if it ruled your life.

Oh, and I must say, working on a collaboration project is a perfect way to promote your comic. I get a lot of hits from the Golden site.
Well, it doesn't mean that you just give up the rest of your life and draw until your hands bleed, with no enjoyment of it.

It means that if you have to be very self-disciplined. I have three hobbies, gaming, karate and drawing the comic. I don't need self-discipline to game, rather to logout, but for the other two I do. Many times I moan to myself that I'd rather sit in front of the telly with a cup of coffee, or whatever, rather than getting my ass kicked or sitting down to draw. When I get past the lazy bit and get doing it, though, I love both things with a passion. For me drawing the comic is a joy, not a chore. Disclaimer just in case you thought I was promoting insanity and giving up on life's pleasures :)
Bekka's right about the discipine and I think the "bastard to yourself" comment is just an overly-extreme way of putting "making yourself do it". It's kind of like when my daughter doesn't want to go to ballet. I know if I can just get her there she'll have a great time. So when I would rather not draw, if I just sit myself down and start, I'll be up until all hours of the night drawing because it's too much fun to stop. It's the same way with any skill you want to improve: It starts out fun all the time, then the need for discipline kicks in once the newness ends and you have to make yourself do it. It's not new anymore, not exciting, and it's hard work. However, it's very rewarding in the end.

On the other hand, I don't allow drawing my comic to interfere with my life. Sometimes that requires some intrepid planning to fit it in, but if my friends want to go out and do something, my comic's not going to stop me. I do watch a lot less TV, but I don't count that as a loss.

Sometimes I have to actually schedule time into my planner for "comic-drawing", but it seems to work. I've never missed an update, with only a week's vacation for Christmas, and a week for summer vacation.
Image
Image

User avatar
McDuffies
Bob was here (Moderator)
Bob was here (Moderator)
Posts: 29957
Joined: Fri Jan 01, 1999 4:00 pm
Location: Serbia
Contact:

Post by McDuffies »

RPin wrote:
Bekka wrote:Said all this, I agree with RPin that a comic gets the readership it deserves.
Ehehehe... You actually made me scavenge a comment I put on 'Pedia over a year ago. In case anyone is interested, or to put it on context:

"You missed my pont, Bill. I don't see such thing as sensacionalism in the webcomics world.

Let me put it on another way, then:

I think quality alone is not enough to attract readership, so it's not a parameter to measure the popularity of a webcomic and therefore determine that webcomics with the same level of quality should get the same popularity. Every webcomic gets the attention it deserves, but it's not in the sense that they get something they deserve for it's merits. That clearly is not what happens (I myself love It's About Girls, and wish more people would read it). Every webcomic gets the attention it deserves: every webcomic gets the attention reserved fot it at that given moment for a series of reasons, some of them being consequences of the artist, some not.

Joey Manley may call this luck. Spinosa would call it the God of Natural Causes. I just say: "my comic is all it can be right now".

And since it hasn't been done before, I pimp Joel Fagin's tutorial on attracting readers:

http://www.between-worlds.com/tutorials ... aders.html
I'll say it shorter: "It's too complicated to be explained".

With all respect to Bekka (after all, she knows how to make a comic popular, I obviously don't :) ) saying that this or that comic is popular because it's good, it the Worst! Simplification! Ever! when you put it that way. I guess it could be said that no comic in popular unless it's good (with exceptions, of course, but there are always exceptions).
Mathematically speaking:
good => popular
But:
not (good <=> popular)

Taking PA for example, it's popularity must be a mix of facts that they're good in what they do (whatever that be), that they arrived among first, that they hit the target audience that happened to be very large on web and, after all, that they filled the space that was unfulfilled before them (just like Movie Comics - bad copy of PA in any other way - filled the void of comics for moviegoers a few years later). PA, just like "The noob", attracted a lot of audience that weren't interested in webcomics before that - they were attracter by the theme that was familiar to them before. If I was willing to do some larger research, perhaps I might prove that the most popular comics out there were the ones that were covering the space that wasn't subject of webcomics before them, but then again, maybe not.
In any case, other half of popularity is good managemets. You know, White Stripes music is great and all, but there's a reason why they wear only red and white clothes.

User avatar
Specterz
Regular Poster
Posts: 200
Joined: Tue May 17, 2005 11:18 am
Location: Netherlands

Post by Specterz »

You know, White Stripes music is great and all, but there's a reason why they wear only red and white clothes.
They are big fans of Arsenal?
Image
<a href="http://gamingalive.comicgenesis.com">Gaming Alive</a> updates TT!

User avatar
Keffria
The Wimpy Teaching Assistant (Mod)
The Wimpy Teaching Assistant (Mod)
Posts: 3748
Joined: Tue Jun 17, 2003 12:07 pm
Location: not-France

Post by Keffria »

RPin wrote:
Keffria wrote:It seems to me that, unless you're an insanely dedicated person, taking the "bastard" approach is just going to burn you out that much faster. If drawing your comic takes away from things you enjoy, it's time to take a step back, because that's unhealthy, in the same way that any other activity would be if it ruled your life.
I find it hard to disagree with you as always, J. On the other hand...

Do you believe in the opposite?
That's an interesting thread there, Pin. And, you know, I'm almost inclined to agree with what's being said about massive popularity. One of the biggest turn-offs for potential readers (myself included) is having to wade through a massive archive of comics with god-awful art and lackluster writing before getting to the good stuff -- and if your comic has been going for two or three or four years, I would hope that there are significant differences between the oldest strips and the current work. If you want to be really popular, you need to start off with a bang and attract the eye of someone (i.e. a "big dog" comic or a much-visited site of some sort) who will link you. Take Bekka, for example - that massive hit increase from the WarCraft site helped to rocket "The n00b" (which started out with decent art) to popularity.

On the other hand, if you don't get that initial "push" from a big-name site, it's going to be a long and arduous journey to popularity, and I think that the reason why you don't see a lot of comics that follow this latter route is that most people either get bored/frustrated or end their comics naturally before they have the chance to see the hits pour in.

The other thing mentioned in the thread was the sheer volume of webcomics - you only need to look at Keenspace's pending list to confirm that. It's much harder to be noticed when you're a tiny little fish and the sea keeps growing bigger and bigger.

Bekka: Ah, no, I didn't think you were crazily obsessed or anything -- but I don't believe in pushing myself to draw whatsoever. Most of the time, I wish I had more free time to sit and work on my comic, but there are times (not very often; maybe once every month or two) when I just don't feel like drawing, and that's what I have buffer for. I don't ever want to feel like my comic is a chore. And I'll admit that I'm in this game partially to share my story with others, get feedback, sell merchandise, etc. (I don't just do it for myself), but it's still just a hobby.

User avatar
McDuffies
Bob was here (Moderator)
Bob was here (Moderator)
Posts: 29957
Joined: Fri Jan 01, 1999 4:00 pm
Location: Serbia
Contact:

Post by McDuffies »

Keffria wrote: That's an interesting thread there, Pin. And, you know, I'm almost inclined to agree with what's being said about massive popularity. One of the biggest turn-offs for potential readers (myself included) is having to wade through a massive archive of comics with god-awful art and lackluster writing before getting to the good stuff -- and if your comic has been going for two or three or four years, I would hope that there are significant differences between the oldest strips and the current work.
I should know. :cry:

User avatar
Leonine
Regular Poster
Posts: 47
Joined: Thu May 12, 2005 7:46 pm
Location: Stuck on the phone with an irate customer
Contact:

Post by Leonine »

I agree with most of the replys. I've been up and running for a little over a month now and I'm getting 20-40 hits/day on the strength of the listings alone (web comics list and the belfry...I wasn't aware of onlinecomics.net until just now).

My biggest drawback is the fact that I have very little time to visit forums and I don't want to be the guy that runs in, plugs a comic and leaves. I hadn't posted here yet primarily because I wanted to wait for the main storyline to start before everyone rushed over to see it. I am a new artist and it shows in the strips that are currently running (I'm getting better though). I'll be submitting my comic to the critics once I've gotten 20 or so comics out with my 1st style change....

Anyway...this is my 1st post and it's nice to meet everyone.

Leo
"You guys are the pyramid scheme of the smurfs" *click*
-- A very drunk customer

http://leoninecomics.keenspace.com/

User avatar
Leko
Cartoon Hero
Posts: 2263
Joined: Mon Dec 27, 2004 9:42 pm
Location: Wandering my psyche in search of my mind
Contact:

Post by Leko »

Where the hell is damnit, which one is which again? *gets out cheat sheet* Pyro? Ah well.

*shoves leonine in The Box*
Thespiphobia: (n) An irrational fear of actors.
From Greek: thespian (actor), phobos (fear).
Image Image Image
ImageANARCHY! ANARCHY! ANARCHY!

User avatar
Cope
Incompetent Monster
Posts: 7360
Joined: Sat Jul 31, 2004 8:37 pm
Location: Masked man of mystery
Contact:

1661! Symmetry!

Post by Cope »

*surreptitiously leads leonine to freedom via the Box's Underground Railroad*
Image Image
"I've always been fascinated by failure!" -Charlie Brown

User avatar
ManyWorlds
Cartoon Hero
Posts: 1980
Joined: Wed Jun 30, 2004 4:32 am

Post by ManyWorlds »

The Box has an Underground Railroad? Sweetness!

A bit more on-topic...
I've never had a roblem with hits and visits, but I never get feedback. Not one single e-mail. Ever.
Do I *have* to piss people off before they decide to write, or what?

User avatar
Lintjinks
Regular Poster
Posts: 161
Joined: Wed Feb 25, 2004 12:39 pm
Location: Utah
Contact:

Post by Lintjinks »

leonine wrote:My biggest drawback is the fact that I have very little time to visit forums and I don't want to be the guy that runs in, plugs a comic and leaves. I hadn't posted here yet primarily because I wanted to wait for the main storyline to start before everyone rushed over to see it. I am a new artist and it shows in the strips that are currently running (I'm getting better though). I'll be submitting my comic to the critics once I've gotten 20 or so comics out with my 1st style change....
I have the same problem, Leo. I just plain don't have the time (or interest) to hang around forums, or plug my comic, or do anything else creative with it... besides draw it, guh. It really hasn't made much of a difference, though. My comic has always had a steadily growing readership, I think by word of mouth, consistent updates, and a couple of very nice friends have linked it in obvious places (thanks Ping and Gianna, among others).

As far as art style goes, 120 pages into it my style is STILL changing. I'll never win any awards for consistency, that's for sure. I've not yet felt comfortable enough with my comic to "submit it to the critics"... it's a combination of "Wait, I'm not finished yet!" with "Critics can't possibly grasp what I have in mind so why bother until I'm done?". It's been reviewed a few times, regardless, and once due to my own lack of intelligence by posting in the "webcomic above" thread. "Oh yeah, that means I get reviewed, doh!" Fortunately my reviewer was nice.

Anyway, good luck. Make a good comic, make some good friends, et cetera, et cetera.
Image
Image

Post Reply