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The art is rather good but the flow of action is often difficult to follow and confusing. The dialogue is also difficult to read at times both due to font/size choices, as well as your silly placement and flow of text. You're panels do not seem to be organized with thought to text as is shown by the vast number of ridiculous splts in text that serve only to annoy the reader. Your story is also not that great or intruiging. The beginning is ridiculous. heres how it comes across
some clumsy elf figure walking, oh look a bear, oh but the elf can stare down the bear bravo, oh now its a few days later for some reason and someone is jumping down a tree in what looks like it's meant to be a graceful fashion but the sound effects being so large state otherwise. And now all of a sudden we are at some gladiator match where some presumeabley scottish guy and snooty lizard are having a boring discussion.

Good art does not ever make up for bad writing, and good art does not make up for bad story and action progression.

Thanks for leeching an artist. This won't help his resume or his career.

Show me the dumbass part, the leet undertone? the fictional facts?
Just because you don't like his comments doesn't mean he's dumb.

He did enough trouble to write in an understandable manner and without the use of curse words or leet stuff, so just take the advise and do with it what you want.

On a side note, I do think the person writing the mail is acting out of jelousy, but that hardly makes him a dumbass.

I think you should cross reference some real dumb ass mails from other artists imho...

Ah well...
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for what its worth Bloodknight, take the critique... in the chest look at your pacing and try to improve. If you want my opinion on it-- its cool a person to take the time and let you know what they don't like about your comic. that some nice hate mail ya got if you ask me.

its always a nice day to get negitive mail that isn't written in leet *c*
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I'd love to get an e-mail like that, honestly. Harsh, but well-reasoned criticism shows that someone paid attention.

The rejection letter from Harvard was probably one of the most well-written letters I've ever gotten, and that made it all the much easier to take in.
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THAT'S IT I'M LOCKING THIS THREAD!

I PHAIL to see where this letter is dumbass or don't have actual significant criticism. But whatever, I don't care.

Better things have been said about this, so I won't bother:
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Post by Phalanx »

Personally I would be proud to get (and have gotten) a letter like the one you got, BloodKnight.

There is an overtone of jealousy in the letter, but that does not automatically make everything in it baseless. Even from the excerpt you've given us, there's merit in some of the points:
  • flow of action is often difficult to follow and confusing. (True. I read through the comic, from time to time I had to stop because I was confused to what happened, especially in the fight between REd and Orc.)
  • The dialogue is also difficult to read at times both due to font/size choices, as well as your silly placement and flow of text. (Not a problem for me. I have more problem with your character dialogue. It sounds too... unnatural. It doesn't sound so much like 'talking' but 'talking from a script'.)
  • Your story is also not that great or intruiging. The beginning is ridiculous. heres how it comes across
    some clumsy elf figure walking, oh look a bear, oh but the elf can stare down the bear bravo,
    he is the only guy who mentions this. A lot of other people tell me that I have one of the best intros for a webcomic, probably due to the lack of "OMG LETS START A COMIC" or "HI, My name is Dickpenis and this my friend who players games all day, Winnie the Pooh" or it isn't sprite.
    (Heh. It's not a bad beginning for a webcomic, even if I didn't see the point it played in the story myself. But if you're comparing yourself with the HNTRAC-esque worst of webcomic-dom it's not really a fair comparison, is it? You're on a different level. Why are you comparing yourself to beginners when you're striving to be a professional? (unless you're not, then forgive the assumption)). If you want a comparison, compare yourself with the best, not the worst.
  • And now all of a sudden we are at some gladiator match where some presumeabley scottish guy and snooty lizard are having a boring discussion. (Aye. Conversations are typically boring. One of my favourite ways for going through conversations is to overlay it with action. Like the opening sequence of Terinu )
  • Good art does not ever make up for bad writing, and good art does not make up for bad story and action progression. (True, I'm afraid. Comics are equal parts art and story. Although the question would be how this applies to you.)
Was my writing *that* bad or is it above expectation from a guy who never wrote a comic before ? TELL ME.
On the professional arena, it doesn't matter whether you've never wrote a comic before or if you've written a thousand. It's like saying 'Red's doing pretty good for a girl who never fought before'. It doesn't matter if she never fought before, she still gets squished by the orc. Similarly, if you're going to pimp it as something good, it has better be good, else the audience feels cheated.

Personally (and I suspect you may hate me forever for saying this) but from the point of a reader, the writing is... boring. Not because of the events that happen, but the inane speed at which the story moves,

And when I say speed i don't mean as in how frequently the comic is updated. I'm talking about the speed at which things happen/pages ratio. Basically, not a lot happens in each page. The story runs slow, and slow updates only make it worse. Do a little calculation and planning. At the rate you're going, it's going to take you one year to output a 50 page issue! Can you fit everything you want it that? Or is it goign to take two years to tell part one? How many years are you going to need to tell the whole of your story then? It's not planning too far ahead. It's gauging a realistic scope for your story. It's pacing.

Another major problem is the portrayal of the characters (say Red). You have her all hyped up by lizard guy, and from that point on the story (and the fight with the orc) has lost all its suspense. At that point we KNOW Red is going to win, even when she gets in a little bit of trouble, we KNOW she's going to make a comeback. The 'little bit of trouble' just feels like a contrived plot device to whip up some "oh no's!" from the reader.

The last point I'd like to make is that the writing feels... cliched. When I read it, I feel like I've reading mixed scenes regugitated from various books or movies. Of course, I'm sure as it goes on that might change. But at the present that's what it feels like.

For a first timer, you're doing okay as a writer, but there's a lot of room for improvement. Making mistakes as a hobbyist is forgivable. Not learning from valid criticism as a professional is not.

The letter implies jealousy of you getting your artist, but there's also a lot of good criticism in there as well. Use it well.
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Sounds to me, with all respect, like Bloodknight's just venting. The guy in the mail's just expressing his opinions, and he did it in a smart and respectful manner. Even his opinion that the artist is wasted, which seems the more aggresive part of the letter, is free of actual foul lanuage or leet. Bloodknight should simply take his lumps and see if the comments hit just a little too close to home for comfort.

I also find it presumptiuous of him to assume everyone here reads his comic, almost as bad as that guy who just came in and posted a link without even bothering to mention his comic. This last bit is, mind you, my opinion. I believe the Treeko said as much, though I must agree he could have been a lot nicer and coherent about it.

I also subscribe to the "At least you get fan mail" group.
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Post by Phalanx »

JexKerome wrote:I also subscribe to the "At least you get fan mail" group.
It's not so much the fan mail. It's the 'substance in fan mail'. Anyone can whip off 100 letter with 'UR COMIC ROCKS!' to anyone.

Not everyone will go through your comic point by point and discuss it to the ground.

I think the topic is comic-related therefore still relevant to this forum, but...
I also find it presumptiuous of him to assume everyone here reads his comic
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Soap Soaperson wrote:Where was he not discussing Bloodknight's comic, STrRedWolf? He's odd, but on-topic.
True dat, can't bash people for being odd, otherwise you'd have to nuke yourself first...

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Re: Why Trojan Condoms are good to use (aka dumbass email)

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BloodKnight wrote:Just got this delightful message from someone who hates Chronicles of Garas. Now as to why they would continue reading the comic back to front, I'm not sure. Here, have a laugh. No, I don't give a shit about 'privacy', although I will leave the jackass' email out of it. It was a rather long email, but this part I liked.
The art is rather good but the flow of action is often difficult to follow and confusing. The dialogue is also difficult to read at times both due to font/size choices, as well as your silly placement and flow of text. You're panels do not seem to be organized with thought to text as is shown by the vast number of ridiculous splts in text that serve only to annoy the reader. Your story is also not that great or intruiging. The beginning is ridiculous. heres how it comes across
some clumsy elf figure walking, oh look a bear, oh but the elf can stare down the bear bravo, oh now its a few days later for some reason and someone is jumping down a tree in what looks like it's meant to be a graceful fashion but the sound effects being so large state otherwise. And now all of a sudden we are at some gladiator match where some presumeabley scottish guy and snooty lizard are having a boring discussion.

Good art does not ever make up for bad writing, and good art does not make up for bad story and action progression.

Thanks for leeching an artist. This won't help his resume or his career.
Now people, I don't mind if you guys agree with him or not, but seriously...he is the only guy who mentions this. A lot of other people tell me that I have one of the best intros for a webcomic, probably due to the lack of "OMG LETS START A COMIC" or "HI, My name is Dickpenis and this my friend who players games all day, Winnie the Pooh" or it isn't sprite.

But, in a nutshell, do you disagree or agree with this guy? Was my writing *that* bad or is it above expectation from a guy who never wrote a comic before ? TELL ME.

Or make fun of the guy. Whatever. I need a beer.
I admit, I was a little confused by the bear in the beginning. But that's about it. I didn't have any problem reading the dialogue or anything like that.
As for the story, well...there was what, fifteen pages? Now, don't take that offensively, but in a comic that isn't really enough to judge your writing skills. In fact, a comic is a hard medium to judge writing skills, in a lot of ways. Much of what would normally be written is instead drawn, and a comic can get away with being entertaining even if the plot is kinda weak. So I think maybe this guy was jumping the gun a little bit there....okay, well, a lot.
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Treeko wrote:It is most unfortunate that the Treeko only live for 2 hours!

**DIES**

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supernerdcore wrote:Do you need a hug or a medal or something? You only seem to post whenever you need attention made to your comic. Not everyone cares about people who hate or love your comic.
I completely understand what you're saying. Bloodknight is starting to sound like Pockybot, and frankly, it's quite annoying. I love the CoG art, but, like Phalanx said, the pacing is so doggone slow I'm going to wait a year before I come back to read it.

And since when did StredWolf become so involved? He's been acting like a real admin these days. Good for you! :D

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FYI, we do have other forums minus General D. Perhaps next time you should throw into another forum. For example, this post could have easily and more appropiately been placed in the Techniqe forum.

As for the letter? The only thing ass-y is the last glaring statement, besides that, I see no problem in the guy's email. It was afterall a critique done with knowledge of the comic (In stead of the usual "UR ComiX sux ass) and if I recieved such as email I'd avoid the hostility and absorb the given information to better myself. The guy obviously had to eb passionate about it for some reason.

Divide the email among yourself and your artist and ahem-hah.
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BloodKnight wrote:stuff
You're lucky, I never get feedback from my comic.

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Treeko wrote:It is most unfortunate that the Treeko only live for 2 hours!

**DIES**

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wp wrote:And since when did StredWolf become so involved? He's been acting like a real admin these days. Good for you! :D
If he's going to lock threads and ban people just because they derailed dicussions, I'd rather not have him around.

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I remember when these forums didn't have any mods or admins. Everything was as smooth as ever anyway.

Apart from the random crashes every now and then.

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RPin wrote:If he's going to lock threads and ban people just because they derailed dicussions, I'd rather not have him around.
To his credit, he has improved greatly. Before, there wouldn't even be a word before he moved/locked/banned something or someone. Although the whole "stop talking in 3rd person" deal is a little bit overblown. Since when has that been grounds for banning? Geez... He was on-topic too.

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Hatemail aside...WTF is a Treeko???
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wp wrote:
RPin wrote:If he's going to lock threads and ban people just because they derailed dicussions, I'd rather not have him around.
To his credit, he has improved greatly. Before, there wouldn't even be a word before he moved/locked/banned something or someone. Although the whole "stop talking in 3rd person" deal is a little bit overblown. Since when has that been grounds for banning? Geez... He was on-topic too.
Indeed. I think it was the topic title that might have attracted the attention. It's sounds a bit like the stuff that floods my spam folder.

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