Do you have to be born a good artist?

Soap Soaperson · Post by **Soap Soaperson** » Thu Dec 23, 2004 8:34 am

phactorri wrote:I've never heard someone not being able to learn to play music, that really wanted to do it. Course it takes years and years of practice.

I know a girl who played in the flute section with me. She was awful. She knew it, the band director knew it, everyone knew it. But she loved it, and tried so hard. She practiced nearly every day, but her improvement from the 8th grade to the 12th grade was barely noticable. She tried other instruments, and fared no better. She wasn't stupid, either - she did decently in school, I believe.

I guess she was one of those exceptions.

Oh! I used to go off pitch whenever singing and never realized it, I did that whole annoying "closed pallete" thing, and I didn't know what a vibrato was. Blah blah blah, I worked hard, learned to stay on key, learned to open my damn mouth when singing, and learned fancy-pants vibrato. I still have an ugly voice, but at least it's in tune and stylized!

I miss music class. ;__;

Phact0rri · Post by **Phact0rri** » Thu Dec 23, 2004 10:10 am

JexKerome wrote:
phactorri wrote:Being able to distinguish tones, pitch and depth are not genetic. and it can be learnt. A common misconception is that people who come into it late might never be able to play.

I've never heard someone not being able to learn to play music, that really wanted to do it. Course it takes years and years of practice.
To distinguish tones, pitch and depth, you do need the proper equipment to detect it, though. Tone deaf people lack the equipment, or rather, their gear lacks the needed "specs".

Well in every report I've read on tone deafness its been treated a psychological issue. Not a physical one. Maybe in my world I'm one of those people who don't settle. I don't do with limitations placed on me. And to me things are excuses.

Looking at me now most people wouldn't believe that I use to have braces on my legs, and walked on the sides of my feet. Most people who talk to me wouldn't believe that I was told I'd never have good balance and even walking long distances would happen. I was never taught hand writing in elementry school cause of my cordination. I was also in learning disability classes.

Now I know I'm not a great artist or musician myself. there are lot of people way better than me. but I don't think for a moment that would say I can't do anything cause I was borned a certain way. thats just silly.

maybe I'm optimstic. but I will never allow myself to be dragged down into lies and decay society places on people cause they are genetically inferrior. its like saying "you are not underweight so you must be unattractive"

who needs a society when they hammer you into the pegs they want you to be in and take away your dreams. I think its silly. and people can believe what ever they want to. not I. Any obsticle can be overcome.

LAGtheNoggin · Post by **LAGtheNoggin** » Thu Dec 23, 2004 10:37 am

In the born with talent department:

This is rather scary.

Post by **Mercury Hat** » Thu Dec 23, 2004 10:54 am

LAGtheNoggin wrote:In the born with talent department:

This is rather scary.

It's like some sort of art robot.

TheGoobla · Post by **TheGoobla** » Thu Dec 23, 2004 10:56 am

Tone deaf

Beethoven was still composing symphanies when he was completely deaf, and you guys are bitching over a little off key glitch? Suck it up ya goddamned pansies!

LAGtheNoggin wrote:In the born with talent department:

This is rather scary.

Nonsense. She wasn't born with talent, she was born with a quick learning curve. Just look at her enormous progress over the years. She didn't just start blasting those paintings out of her ass as a 1 month old infant, she learned it - albeit faster then most.

Chibiartstudios · Post by **Chibiartstudios** » Thu Dec 23, 2004 1:02 pm

Wow... Thats... wow...

I have no doubts in my mind that that girl is an alien sent to kill us all. With art... Or something...

Wp · Post by Wp » Thu Dec 23, 2004 1:04 pm

TheGoobla wrote:Nonsense. She wasn't born with talent, she was born with a quick learning curve. Just look at her enormous progress over the years. She didn't just start blasting those paintings out of her ass as a 1 month old infant, she learned it - albeit faster then most.

You know, I always thought that was the definition of talent.

Beyonder_alpha · Post by **Beyonder_alpha** » Thu Dec 23, 2004 1:07 pm

Soon we'll have toddlers attending highschool and 8 year olds attending college.
By their 18th birthday they'll have 7 engineer diploma's and will retire by the time they're 30.

My god, the serie Gliders was right after all!!!

Genesis_13 · Post by **Genesis_13** » Thu Dec 23, 2004 3:06 pm

Mercury_Hat wrote:
LAGtheNoggin wrote:In the born with talent department:

This is rather scary.
It's like some sort of art robot.

Let's see, right now I think I'm about as good as she was at age 7....and at age 4 she was better than most average adults.

I feel unaccomplished now.

That's really amazing, though! Wow!

TheGoobla · Post by **TheGoobla** » Thu Dec 23, 2004 3:58 pm

wp wrote:
TheGoobla wrote:Nonsense. She wasn't born with talent, she was born with a quick learning curve. Just look at her enormous progress over the years. She didn't just start blasting those paintings out of her ass as a 1 month old infant, she learned it - albeit faster then most.
You know, I always thought that was the definition of talent.

Talent, as traditionally defined, implies that a person is already proficient at a skill. Not that they happen to pick things up a bit more quickly in the course of practising to become proficient.

Phact0rri · Post by **Phact0rri** » Thu Dec 23, 2004 4:07 pm

TheGoobla wrote:
wp wrote:
TheGoobla wrote:Nonsense. She wasn't born with talent, she was born with a quick learning curve. Just look at her enormous progress over the years. She didn't just start blasting those paintings out of her ass as a 1 month old infant, she learned it - albeit faster then most.
You know, I always thought that was the definition of talent.
Talent, as traditionally defined, implies that a person is already proficient at a skill. Not that they happen to pick things up a bit more quickly in the course of practising to become proficient.

a fast learning curve is known as "aptitude" not talent. we've already been through this before a while back.

McDuffies · Post by **McDuffies** » Thu Dec 23, 2004 6:25 pm

Young 'un's are running over us! They're progressing more rapid than older generations, and in one moment they will catch us, and eventually get much better than us! Just like with sex!

Wp · Post by Wp » Thu Dec 23, 2004 7:54 pm

She's a little young for that last one.

McDuffies · Post by **McDuffies** » Fri Dec 24, 2004 6:58 am

You sure? Today's kids are very forward.

Wp · Post by Wp » Fri Dec 24, 2004 7:13 am

... yeah... I know

WHERE HAS THE INNOCENCE GONE???!!!

McDuffies · Post by **McDuffies** » Fri Dec 24, 2004 7:18 am

AND WHY DIDN'T IT GO BEFORE?

Noise Monkey · Post by **Noise Monkey** » Fri Dec 24, 2004 7:36 am

Go, go Gadget innocence!

JexKerome · Post by **JexKerome** » Fri Dec 24, 2004 9:26 am

Bah; innocence is overrated.

Noise Monkey · Post by **Noise Monkey** » Wed Dec 29, 2004 7:29 am

Kids, this season, "bah" is the new "nyo"!

JexKerome · Post by **JexKerome** » Wed Dec 29, 2004 7:48 am

*Puts out a contract on all Monkey Spacers, including Xmung*