Anyway, what's with those pinups?

McDuffies · Post by **McDuffies** » Mon Nov 08, 2004 7:44 pm

I just don't get it. You rip your character from the context of the story, make him/her pose half-naked, with lops half-open, looking at the camera.
I guess this was derived from movie industry. When an acter makes a film, he's in the role, but when he/she later makes pinups, even if in original clothes from the film, he/she is no more character from the film, he/she is acter who just happens to temporary works a model job.
So when you draw a pinup of your character, do you consider him/her still being that character? Or is he/she just some sort of actor who otherwise acts your character in your comic? How else to explain situations that characters from the comic could never find themselves in?
I mean, if you're drawing your character in some sexy position/outfit, and she is looking at the viewer with this wet sexy eyes and slightly uncovering one of the breasts or something, it's implied that she is standing in front of camera, being taken pictures of her. But if she is a heroine of fantasy comic, how can it be possible? Where did she get camera, even more so cameraman? And who is she gonna sell the pictures to, when there's no such open market for that kind of stuff?
I don't get it.

CJBurgandy · Post by **CJBurgandy** » Mon Nov 08, 2004 8:12 pm

you're mocking me arn't you....?

I thought you loved me McDuffies....

Brockway · Post by **Brockway** » Mon Nov 08, 2004 8:25 pm

Its magic Achim...

sexy sexy magic...

Pimpette · Post by **Pimpette** » Mon Nov 08, 2004 8:30 pm

Maybe they're posing for themselves, in front of a mirror.

Except some creepy stalker guy has placed a camera in said mirror.
And then sells the images on the internet.

McBean · Post by **McBean** » Mon Nov 08, 2004 8:36 pm

You're probably also wondering how they eat and breathe, and other science facts. Then repeat to yourself it's just a webcomic, I should really just relax

Jim North · Post by **Jim North** » Mon Nov 08, 2004 8:50 pm

Well, if we go the Checkerboard Nightmare route, then all webcomic characters are played by actors, and thus the "actor as temporary model" thing holds true.

However, if we go with the Framed way of things, then all webcomic characters are prisoners held to our wills, and we can make 'em pose any damn way we like and they have no choice in the matter.

If we ascribe to a more realistic view of things, then I'm going to hunt you down and fwap you with a pillow for taking the fictional personalities of fictional characters so fictionally seriously.

And finally, if we take on the ideal that everything in the universe is nothing but a mass hallucination shared between a handful of consciousnesses, then why the hell am I spending time explaining this to you figments of my imagination when I could be doing more important things with my existence?

Fadedflame · Post by **Fadedflame** » Mon Nov 08, 2004 10:05 pm

With my characters at least, well the main one I suppose since she is the only one I planning on really putting in those kind of situations.. It is in character for her. She's being forced to pose by her master however he wants and he's a pretty twisted dude too.

War · Post by **War** » Mon Nov 08, 2004 10:50 pm

I like taking potential scenes from the comics and jazzing them up, make them all fancylike. This is what I'd do for my pinups.
The exception was because I felt evil

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Asarea · Post by **Asarea** » Mon Nov 08, 2004 10:54 pm

Mhh ... my characters act as normal people ...I can't remember that I did a picture in the recent storyline that could go for 'pinup' ...

Wp · Post by Wp » Mon Nov 08, 2004 11:06 pm

Maybe people like to jack off to their own comics... J/K!!!!.... ?

It's purely fan service. Support for being a fan! Aw yeah, I'm a fan!

Xmung · Post by **Xmung** » Mon Nov 08, 2004 11:21 pm

the only pin-up style pics i have drawn were in fact intended as 'taken by a photographer'...

it's a bit like doing a cover though - like war says, you take a scene from the comic and jazz it up a bit. besides, if you think about it too much you'd have to start applying the same thoughts to fan art, etc...

CJBurgandy · Post by **CJBurgandy** » Tue Nov 09, 2004 12:41 am

ok, I'll explain my thoughts on Pin-ups. My comic takes place in the now and it's very possible that my characters are going to take sexy pictures of each other. that and most of my characters are attention whores.....

umm... not including CJ in that groupd of people of course.

*looks around nervously*

TheLoserHero · Post by **TheLoserHero** » Tue Nov 09, 2004 12:44 am

I am the most guilty person of this. This is also proof.

I have two characters that I do this heinous crime to most often: an assassin/nun and a bookworm; neither of whom, as characters in my story, have any real motivation to pose in such a manner. Why? One, they're in a fantasy comic... and two, they got way too much crap going on in their imaginary lives to even think of picking up modeling.

So why would I take these characters out of their story and make 'em pose all lewd and stuff?

I can
Practice
They don't have happy lives. It hurts me a little to see them go through all that crap. I wanna see them smile and not be bloody or violent or betrayed or not be embroiled in political intrigue. For a split second in time; a tear in their reality-- they're not a pair of tragic heroines. To me, they're still themselves... but without the excess baggage.

Also, I <3 drawing girls in general.

Post by **Mercury Hat** » Tue Nov 09, 2004 12:46 am

Digital War wrote: The exception was because I felt evil .

I love it when you're evil

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CJBurgandy · Post by **CJBurgandy** » Tue Nov 09, 2004 12:48 am

TheLoserHero wrote:
Also, I <3 drawing girls in general.

Same mind set as myself on that one.

McDuffies · Post by **McDuffies** » Tue Nov 09, 2004 12:59 am

McBean wrote:You're probably also wondering how they eat and breathe, and other science facts. Then repeat to yourself it's just a webcomic, I should really just relax

I am wondering how they breath if they float in vacuum, that yes. Otherwise, assumption that space around them is filled with air and that they're breathing it in and out goes without asking.
Also, if they don't have a job for a long period, I naturally wonder how they get food and what they eat. If a character of action comic spends seven days running around without ever sparing time to go to work, I assume that he will be fired soon. However, if it's not said that they don't or do have a job, assumption that they have something, but it's not relevant, goes along.
Wrongness of your example, mcBean, is, that I wonder about something that is in the comic, while you're putting as example something that isn't in the comic. If something isn't in the comic, I don't bother with it, I just assume that it is there, but unsaid.

# I can
# Practice
# They don't have happy lives. It hurts me a little to see them go through all that crap. I wanna see them smile and not be bloody or violent or betrayed or not be embroiled in political intrigue. For a split second in time; a tear in their reality-- they're not a pair of tragic heroines. To me, they're still themselves... but without the excess baggage.

Good try, but you're giving me your personal reasons for drawing pinups, not the logic behind the existance of those in the universe in your comic. I mean, I draw pinups all the time too. Usually not characters of my comic. If they are, however, they're doing something that they would otherwise, perhaps sitting in privacy of their room in their loungery. But never as if they're posing in front of camera.

Post by **Mercury Hat** » Tue Nov 09, 2004 1:05 am

I try to avoid poses if I'm drawing a single picture. The characters won't look at the "camera", for example, or they'll be in the middle of something. Plus I don't really post these on my site, they're also for practice like TLH said.

Jim North · Post by **Jim North** » Tue Nov 09, 2004 1:07 am

Well, they are just drawing, y'know. And I don't really mean that in the "they just webcomics, so shut up!" way, I mean it more in a "they're just drawings of the people in the comic, not the people in the comic themselves".

For example, if I took one of the pictures of you (McDuffies, to clarify, since MH managed to finish her post before I finished mine) that you've got running around the forums here and I used it for reference to draw a picture of you sitting on an umbrella, eating pistachio ice cream, and shooting an old granny lady in the head with a 9mm pistol, that doesn't mean that you'd actually ever do any of those things, neh? You may never sit on an umbrella for fear of breaking it, hate pistachio ice cream with a passion, and never shoot an old granny lady because you fear that her ghost may come back to haunt you.

It's just a picture, a drawing, an imagining, that isn't supposed to be a 100% exact accurate representation of what you may or may not do on a regular basis. Same thing with pinups of characters from one's webcomic. It's not really the character, it's just a drawing of them.

Xmung · Post by **Xmung** » Tue Nov 09, 2004 1:10 am

Jim North wrote:... if I took one of the pictures of you (McDuffies, to clarify, since MH managed to finish her post before I finished mine) that you've got running around the forums here and I used it for reference to draw a picture of you sitting on an umbrella, eating pistachio ice cream, and shooting an old granny lady in the head with a 9mm pistol, that doesn't mean that you'd actually ever do any of those things, neh?

i think he probably has...

or to take the analogy one step further, did McDuffies really appear in the alternate reality of Digital War and get whalloped in the nuts with a cannonball?

RPin · Post by **RPin** » Tue Nov 09, 2004 1:11 am

Pin-ups are my middle name!

Well... Half of it anyways.