So who is Spot gonna steal next?

Van Douchebag · Post by **Van Douchebag** » Fri Jul 30, 2004 4:41 pm

*sighs*

'nuff said. Or in this case, 'nuff shown.

Joel Fagin · Post by **Joel Fagin** » Fri Jul 30, 2004 4:50 pm

Ah, in that case, I'll add "bright, pure colours" to the list.

- Joel Fagin

Van Douchebag · Post by **Van Douchebag** » Fri Jul 30, 2004 5:08 pm

Clerks has bright colors.

Azael · Post by **Azael** » Fri Jul 30, 2004 5:40 pm

Van Douchebag wrote:*sighs*

'nuff said. Or in this case, 'nuff shown.

I really hate to support someone that seems to think people like me are destined to be mass murderers through their art, but VD's style, which resembles PA, is also quite prevalent throughout some of the other gaming comics and magazines.

Much as I hate to admit it, he's just following a genre, not a single comic.

Joel Fagin · Post by **Joel Fagin** » Fri Jul 30, 2004 5:43 pm

Van Douchebag wrote:Clerks has bright colors.

Not in that picture. They're washed out, saturated. The red on the stop sign is dusty, the faces are pale greyish yellow and even that dark green jumper is on it's way to being khaki.

Batman and Samurai Jack appear to have recognisably different angular styles. I don't what exactly makes WH look like PA because I'm not so good at dissecting style, but I still think the styles are very similar indeed.

Edit: There's a rule in graphic design that goes "If it looks wrong it is wrong." By the same token, I think if everyone thinks WH looks like PA then I'd say you should accept that, for whatever reason, WH looks like PA.

- Joel Fagin

Alun Clewe · Post by **Alun Clewe** » Fri Jul 30, 2004 6:41 pm

Joel Fagin wrote:By the same token, I think if everyone thinks WH looks like PA then I'd say you should accept that, for whatever reason, WH looks like PA.

Except that "everyone" doesn't think that. I'm sorry, but personally, I don't see the resemblance at all.

There are webcomics that do imitate popular webcomics' styles, certainly. This comic, for example, is quite blatantly ripping off the style of Goats -- the characters are drawn with the same eyes, same noses, same mouths, same just about everything.

On the other hand, what's similar between WH and PA? Thick outlines? Bright colors? Angularity? Sorry, but those are all fairly common artistic elements, and none of them -- or even all of them together -- strikes me as particularly significant. Like I said, I just don't see the resemblance.

Joel Fagin · Post by **Joel Fagin** » Fri Jul 30, 2004 6:48 pm

Alun Clewe wrote:Except that "everyone" doesn't think that. I'm sorry, but personally, I don't see the resemblance at all.

Van sounded sufficiently fed up that I assume he gets it a lot. I know it's been mentioned on the Keen boards a few times.

And, if enough people say it, there's gotta be some good reasons why they do.

I think he's stuck with it.

- Joel Fagin

BryanOlsson · Post by **BryanOlsson** » Fri Jul 30, 2004 7:07 pm

Joel Fagin wrote:I think he's stuck with it.

Yea, it'll probably one of those things that those who wish to malign WH will inevitably spout. I personally can sort of see how people would bring it up, but I wouldn't have made the connection myself.

Clairebright · Post by **Clairebright** » Fri Jul 30, 2004 7:12 pm

Ghastly wrote:Going print is easy without Keen. Have you checked out the prices for POD comic printing with ComiXpress. I checked them out the other day and they seem to be the best priced POD publisher for comics. No perfect bound yet, but their saddle stitched prices beat the ever loving crap out of Cafepress's.

thank you for putting that there. honestly, it has made me a very giggly girl at the prospect of being able to have my comics printed at such a low cost. thank you thank you.

Claire

Ghastly · Post by **Ghastly** » Fri Jul 30, 2004 7:18 pm

There are stylistically similarities between WH/PA/BB/SJ/PPG/PVP/Clerks etc. Parts of that style go back to 1960's era kid's cartoons. It's a whole stylistic genre thing. It's like what we in the west consider Anime/Manga style.

To those unfamiliar with the genre all anime and manga looks the same. Big eyes, pointy chins, little mouths, fucked up hair. Those who take more time to study the Anime/Manga style can see that there are many differences between one Manga artist's work and another Manga artist's work. Same online. Hard's Manga style isn't the same as Piro's Manga style which isn't the same as Tang's Manga style.

The way I see it Van Douchebag is just drawing in a style that predates even Penny Arcade and his own stylistic variations within the genre differentiate his work from the others. The uninitiated may not see those differences but to the more discriminating eye the differences are readily appearent.

Van Douchebag · Post by **Van Douchebag** » Fri Jul 30, 2004 8:01 pm

Azael wrote:I really hate to support someone that seems to think people like me are destined to be mass murderers through their art,

I never said anything remotely close to that. I don't believe that looking at lolicon or kiddie porn will make you molest anyone, nor do I believe snuff makes murderers.
I was just saying it's sick

In any case, I was surprised to find people debating my art style when I came on tonight.

Joel Fagin · Post by **Joel Fagin** » Fri Jul 30, 2004 8:10 pm

Van Douchebag wrote:In any case, I was surprised to find people debating my art style when I came on tonight.

Or, at least, Penny Arcade's.

- Joel Fagin

Van Douchebag · Post by **Van Douchebag** » Fri Jul 30, 2004 8:13 pm

BLARGH! RANT PISS FUCK!

Okay, I'm about done venting.

Birdie · Post by **Birdie** » Fri Jul 30, 2004 8:38 pm

I enjoy your style Van, I don't think I could say you're imitating PA, or resembling, I think you have great prowess and an understanding of form that you're able to manipulate it with some of the best cartoons around. At home I draw in a similiar vein, so I know what you mean by the PVP or PA comparisions. That's why I tried to draw something almost completely unique by stealing ideas from Hello Kitty for my sown style.

Azael · Post by **Azael** » Fri Jul 30, 2004 9:54 pm

Van Douchebag wrote:I never said anything remotely close to that.

There's a quote of yours that translates differently, but I'd prefer not to start a flame war and push my welcome.

*Back to whatever the topic at hand was*

Psiogen · Post by **Psiogen** » Fri Jul 30, 2004 11:04 pm

White Hydra is certainly not a PA ripoff. If you're gonna complain about WH's art, there are plenty of better reasons than that.

Faub · Post by **Faub** » Sat Jul 31, 2004 12:28 am

VD and Azael, can I get you to edit your posts and link those images instead of hyperlinking them? The admins have gone through all the trouble of putting in anti-hotlinking, the least we can do is to not hotlink from other sites.

In any case, that is copyrighted material and I'm fairly certain you don't have permission to use it.

Phact0rri · Post by **Phact0rri** » Sat Jul 31, 2004 4:32 am

I agree in the Keenspot isn't really that important, but I don't know if it ever was. You get a little money, but would it be much diffrent if you bought ad space citing your demographics? It seems that if you picked that right and you were trying to market your work it would work better than a subscription site where you get a small portion. It is however more work to find these companies out and how well that would work if your traffic could support it. but in many cases it would work to the advantage. I suppose Ghastly is a good example of this.

even though my comic is not quality, nor do I pull insane amounts of webvisits/views or what ever if I ever wanted to take my comic seriously and go from slack art to a more commercial approach I'd definatly go for independent and sell ads to record labels, coffee manufacturers, "mall stores" and the like and I'm sure that it would work fine. and better than if I got spotted.

I don't much want to be spotted however if I was asked, by Keenspot, graphic smash, or heck any subscription site I'd be very honored to be picked and that in itself would be something of a success for me.

Bekka · Post by **Bekka** » Sat Jul 31, 2004 6:54 am

White Hydra is certainly not a PA ripoff. If you're gonna complain about WH's art, there are plenty of better reasons than that.

I never criticized his comic, I quite like it. Especially the undead lawyers.
But yeah, to my uninitiated eye it looked the same style of PA - maybe it's Flash that does that. Anyway it looks a lot less like PA than Spells & Whistles does, so don't get upset VD.

Azael · Post by **Azael** » Sat Jul 31, 2004 12:24 pm

Well, I can tell you one thing for certain...

It sure as hell isn't gonna be me.

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