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Gav recently made a post at Spot against the truth and mythes of Spotting.
Gav wrote:Most of the primary "Spotting processes" have been accurately represented here, so thankfully much of my work is done. But a few things I want to add (some of these are personal opinions and do not necessarily reflect the opinions of the other three Owner votes):
  • Carson's "Suck up to Nukees" theory really hasn't been exploited enough. ;)
  • The "requirement" I always mention first whenever I'm asked the question of how to be 'Spotted is the one about consistant updates. I find this weeds out about 95% of applicants right off the bat. Update your strip consistantly (don't miss any scheduled days for at least six months, preferrably longer) and frequently (three times a week minimum) if you ever expect to be taken seriously. Don't give me sob stories about how your computer (or Keenspace) died--everyone has one.
  • Exisiting popularity is not required, but it lets us (often, specifically me) know that our opinion of your quality may be wrong.
  • Being on Keenspace doesn't "help" in the sense that we'll pick a 'Space preferrably over a non-'Space, though I will admit that we like being able to confirm your stats (which we can on Keenspace) and we regularly check out the top ten or twenty 'Spacers to see what we may have missed. If 'Space doesn't suit you, though, don't get an account just to become 'Spotted, though. It doesn't help that much.
  • If you're not a 'Space comic, and you think you're popular enough for us to take notice, report stats accurately (never say "hits"). The only stat that is mostly immune to creative interpretation or tracking is "pageviews." If possible, back up your claims with links to the stats themselves.
  • Do not use copyrighted material. We have no inherent bias against sprite comics (though my personal opinion is that any cut'n'paste art is likely going to have to be very well constructed and/or exceptionally written to compensate), but we do against potential lawsuits. If you submit a sprite comic, be sure to indicate if the images are original, 'cause I'm not as much of a gaming geek as you.
  • I'm sorry, but we don't send out rejection letters. The reasons are twofold: First, because we just don't have time, but more importantly, because we never want to rule any strip out from improving in the future. I've seen many strips that I feel aren't quite up to snuff now, but probably will be with time and practice and we continue to keep an eye on those. Sending rejection letters might influence the direction of the comic negatively.
  • Be patient. We tend to make recruitments in batches at infrequent intervals when we have time available. Times like the end/beginning of every yearly quarter are quite busy for me, for instance, and not much recruitment goes on then. We try to find time to review batches of comics every three months or so, but when something exceptional comes along, we may 'Spot a strip at any time.
  • If we make a mass recruitment, it does not mean we rejected your strip. It's very likely that we are still reviewing. If it's been a year since submitting, you may want to nudge us, especially if you think your quality has improved or your update frequency has improved.
  • Otherwise, just draw a good strip. Unfortunately, everyone thinks their strip is gold, so there's not much direction here.
It's approaching that mark since EOI and CYS have been Spotted, so who's next?

There are several people I've thought of.
Rodrigo Pin, for example, is almost assuredly in the next batch.
Similarly, Digital War and Star Bored have been around long enough for us to ask when they will be up for Spotting.

Venus Envy, Space's current 2nd ranked comic, should be Spotted simply for the fact there are too few comics like it (The only I think of is Boy Meets Boy).
I mean, there's Bob n Ed, Paragon Fishing, Saturnalia, and even my White Hydra (Potentially capable of pulling a CYS)
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Van Douchebag wrote:Rodrigo Pin, for example, is almost assuredly in the next batch.
He doesn't update three times a week. I'm reasonably certain that exceptions can be made for particularly popular comics or one they just happen to like, but the post above sounded reasonably firm on the matter.

Also, whether by coicidence or not, Spot seems to steer away from manga-type comics. Not manga art but rather how the pages are handled. With Manga, each page is simply a page, part of a story, rather than an mini-episode. Episodes will have a dramatic punchline, which doesn't have to be a joke but usually is. Clan of the Cats is a good example. It doesn't have jokes but it does have a dramatic moment at the end of each strip.

Mind you, I haven't really gone through all the recent Spotted comics. Maybe, say, Gaming Guardians is similar to Alex and Ilia in that way. Don't know meself.

Heck, let's face it, I'm making complete guesses here.

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I doubt Saturnalia'd be spotted because space coyote only updates when she can (twice in June), and I doubt she'd care so much about the recognition Keenspot brings.

RPin'd be great, but it probably won't happen for another year, especially since his early archives are mostly fillers.

Venus Envy should get spotted. It's also already got enough of an audience to support it. It would round out Keenspot, especially since Boy Meets Boy has ended.

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I've already been stolen by someone else, but I've been thinking about starting a second strip. I wonder if I should apply...
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Space Coyote was already offered a Spotting. She turned it down for personal and ethical reasons.

Gav forgot to mention NO SEX in his requirements.

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Joel Fagin wrote:He doesn't update three times a week. I'm reasonably certain that exceptions can be made for particularly popular comics or one they just happen to like, but the post above sounded reasonably firm on the matter.

Also, whether by coicidence or not, Spot seems to steer away from manga-type comics. Not manga art but rather how the pages are handled. With Manga, each page is simply a page, part of a story, rather than an mini-episode. Episodes will have a dramatic punchline, which doesn't have to be a joke but usually is. Clan of the Cats is a good example. It doesn't have jokes but it does have a dramatic moment at the end of each strip.
The updating doesn't matter much, so long as he regularly updates.
As for the "manga pages"... that's not manga, but rather the traditional comic book (Note: Book, not strip.). White Hydra's that way too. On top of that Chris and Owen do Sore Thumbs, which is that way too.
Ghastly wrote:Gav forgot to mention NO SEX in his requirements.
I got that impression for Chris when I asked why they never Spotted you.
Which means I'll hafta axe some of the fanart I have if I ever get Spotted.
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Van Douchebag wrote:The updating doesn't matter much, so long as he regularly updates.
You just quoted it! "Three times a week minimum."
As for the "manga pages"... that's not manga, but rather the traditional comic book (Note: Book, not strip.).
Yeah, you're right. I was thinking in online terms, and they're usually called online mangas there.
White Hydra's that way too.
No it isn't. Your strips are episodic and have dramatic moments at the end of each (most recently "Their fury nearly destroyed the world").

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Hm. I missed that part.
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Since I'm pretty new to the spotting process, I had a few stupid questions:

1: How/Where do you apply
2: How do you get to see the list of most popular comics?

Shit I think I had more questions, but I'll think of them later.
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Gav wrote:]
The "requirement" I always mention first whenever I'm asked the question of how to be 'Spotted is the one about consistant updates. I find this weeds out about 95% of applicants right off the bat. Update your strip consistantly (don't miss any scheduled days for at least six months, preferrably longer) and frequently (three times a week minimum) if you ever expect to be taken seriously. Don't give me sob stories about how your computer (or Keenspace) died--everyone has one.
Let me think.... Zebra Girl. "Three times a week minimum?" Not a chance. "don't miss any scheduled days for at least six months?" maybe, but that's pushing it. This goes doubly for Saturnalia. This comic was in the top 20 of Keenspace for as long as I've been here. Only within the last three months was it spotted. As Ghastly said, Space Coyote refused, the first person to do so.

For all his talk about rules, I can't take a word he says seriously, not when something he says can be proven so completely wrong.

To get into Keenspot, you need to impress four people. There is no other criteria. Maybe these are the rules that Gav uses to rule out comics that aren't poking him in the eye but seriously... If you want to get spotted, the only rule that matters was the first one he mentioned. Make yourself known. Make yourself popular. Make your comic worth something to Keenspot Entertainment. They will jump on you.

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faub wrote:Let me think.... Zebra Girl. "Three times a week minimum?" Not a chance.
Exceptional circumstances. There are four comics a week. He puts the Sandra comic up on Monday and three newspaper strips in a row on Friday. If you look, each one has a seperate punchline. (Well, not right now, because they're fighting, but usually.)

Edit: Sorry, five comics. At least for last week, anyway. I thought it was four.
"don't miss any scheduled days for at least six months?" maybe, but that's pushing it.
That's just a measure of dedication, which I think is a very fair requirement. Keenspace is littered with the non-dedicated and I myself have not done comics some weeks because I just couldn't be bothered.

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faub wrote: As Ghastly said, Space Coyote refused, the first person to do so.
Not true, actually. A number of people have refused Spotting before Space Coyote. She was just the first one to be given a hard time about refusing.

People who are successful independents don't really have a lot to gain from being Spotted and a number of people who were offered Spotting accepted instead with one of Joey Manley's operations.

To get into Keenspot, you need to impress four people. There is no other criteria.
Well... impress three of four people, and not offend anyone already on Spot to the point that they will threaten to leave if you're Spotted.

If you want to get spotted, the only rule that matters was the first one he mentioned. Make yourself known. Make yourself popular. Make your comic worth something to Keenspot Entertainment. They will jump on you.
Hmmmm... how to get yourself known.... how to get yourself known.... :lol:

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Van Douchebag wrote:
Ghastly wrote:Gav forgot to mention NO SEX in his requirements.
I got that impression for Chris when I asked why they never Spotted you.
Which means I'll hafta axe some of the fanart I have if I ever get Spotted.
That's fan art though, I doubt they'd care much about that. It's the comic they're intrested in, right?
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Ghastly wrote:People who are successful independents don't really have a lot to gain from being Spotted and a number of people who were offered Spotting accepted instead with one of Joey Manley's operations.
I know a few people mentioned here who also turned down Joey Manley's operations ;) . And some who didn't (UNA Frontiers).

Anyways, had Keenspot asked me first, I would have said yes. But they didn't so now I'm part of one of 'Joey Manley's operations'. And pretty happy about it. Maybe if I ever finish The Jaded, but at the present...

I still think Spot needs to speed up it's spotting process. And update that main site more often. The Keenspot main site didn't get around to linking CYS or EOI until recently when Adis swept away the WCCA and Sortelli snagged one too.

ps: I'm very proud that Adis's tagline for CYS seems to have originated from the tagline I gave it when I first linked CYS (Can't sleep? Count Sheep! Really Cute Sheep!). Which reminds me I have yet to send him a congrats email...
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I hope that they spot Mr Bob.

His comic is absolutely brilliant, by far my favorite on Keenspace (now that Sortelli's left, anyway). Not only he's very original, rather than being just another (insert name of any famous strip here)-clone #23435, but he has a wicked sense of humour.

Maybe they are going to wait for him to build more stuff in the archives.
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I really don't understand what's that opsession about spotting anymore? I mean, it's not that I don't care about that, I do care, a lot, but all this talking, it's just too much. Do we have to repeat the same talk all over again every two weeks or so?

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-Suck up to Nukees - linked them, am being a fan. Is it enough?
-Consistant updates - if only that was the only argument, well, I'd be spotted already
-Existing popularity - No, but I see it's not required if they like your comic
-Being on space - yes
-No Copyrighted material - positive
-Patience - positive, I am patient
-Thinks his comic is good - yes

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* Suck up to Nukees - To what?
* Consistant updates - 3 a week, and I haven't missed one in the 8 months I've had my comic
* Existing popularity - Hurrm... What, I do have more readers than immediate family members...
* Being on space - Yep
* No Copyrighted material - I haven't done anything that would lead to a lawsuit 0:-)
* Patience - O yes, I don't even want to get spotted, because I don't know what exactly it means.
* Thinks his comic is good - Sometimes...
Ghastly wrote:Gav forgot to mention NO SEX in his requirements.
That's open for interpretation... Does it mean like this... Or this...or is even this forbidden? ^.^
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Ghastly wrote:Gav forgot to mention NO SEX in his requirements.
If I ran a mega-webcomics empire like Joey does Ghastly, I'd want your sex.

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Like McDuffies started to say - why is everyone obsessing about Spot? It offers a valuable service for talented, dedicated artists, of course - But other than getting more readers and a small paycheck, what is there on Spot that you don't get on Space? The honor of being chosen? Well gee, I guess I'd be pretty flattered if four people voted for a comic I wrote to be spotted.

Oh, don't get me wrong - I'm not putting down Spot. But everyone seems to secretly hope that they'll be spotted, because it'd be (somehow) the greatest thing that's ever happened in their lives.


So, the rule is "No sex"? Does this mean Loxie and Zoot may be spotted?

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