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Chaos Cricket · Post by **Chaos Cricket** » Sat May 29, 2004 11:29 pm

Actually, I'm in favor of it being A Tower of Babel. We could raise lots of them, and then use them to broadcast signals to everyone across the world...signals which would brainwash all those who received them and force them to become our mindless drone slaves for the rest of their pathetic lives. C'mon, folks, we need to think epic here!

JexKerome · Post by **JexKerome** » Sat May 29, 2004 11:53 pm

God stopped us last time. I think He'll do it once again, if we're foolish enough to try.

Sortelli · Post by **Sortelli** » Sat May 29, 2004 11:54 pm

Chaos Cricket wrote:We could raise lots of them, and then use them to broadcast signals to everyone across the world...

I think the modern world beat you to this one already.

Chaos Cricket · Post by **Chaos Cricket** » Sun May 30, 2004 12:10 am

Man, all my best plans are already taken. I guess it's true--there really is nothing new under the sun. It's probably all hidden underwater 'cause it gets sunburned easily or somethin'.

Sortelli · Post by **Sortelli** » Sun May 30, 2004 12:19 am

Hey, what about those ideas to build an elevator to the moon, though? That would sure outdo the Tower of Babel.

The mere idea of building a bridge to the moon gives me goosebumps. I hope I live to see it.

Chaos Cricket · Post by **Chaos Cricket** » Sun May 30, 2004 1:08 am

How would one go about building such a bridge, though? I mean, the moon orbits the earth at a different speed than the earth spins at, right? so either the bridge couldn't be connected at one end or the other (rendering it rather moot), or it'd have to be really flexible in ways that are probably impossible (not to mention the fact that a bridge wrapped around the world to accommodate for the difference in position wouldn't be very practical for travelling on).

On the other hand, a bridge to the moon would be pretty damn cool anyway.

JexKerome · Post by **JexKerome** » Sun May 30, 2004 1:10 am

Bridge would have to be from a space station on Earth orbit to the moon. You'd grab a shuttle to get you from the Earth's surface to the station; then get on the bridge all the way to the moon.

So first, project X has to have a winner. Any ideas?

KittyKatBlack · Post by **KittyKatBlack** » Sun May 30, 2004 2:43 am

The space elevator is just an elevator to outside of the atmosphere. It doesn't connect to the moon. It connects to a docking port just outside of the earth's gravitational pull, and you can use that to launch to the moon, or other areas of space without the tricky launch sequence and the mass amount of time and fuel used to break orbit.

Mr.Bob · Post by **Mr.Bob** » Sun May 30, 2004 4:10 am

KittyKatBlack wrote:The space elevator is just an elevator to outside of the atmosphere. It doesn't connect to the moon...

Like Boooooooooooooo-riiiiiiing. I want to go to the MOON!

Yiff the Zombie Fox · Tue Jun 01, 2004 12:08 am

Chaos Cricket wrote:How would one go about building such a bridge, though? I mean, the moon orbits the earth at a different speed than the earth spins at, right? so either the bridge couldn't be connected at one end or the other (rendering it rather moot), or it'd have to be really flexible in ways that are probably impossible (not to mention the fact that a bridge wrapped around the world to accommodate for the difference in position wouldn't be very practical for travelling on).

Jex Kerome wrote:God stopped us last time. I think He'll do it once again, if we're foolish enough to try.

God? We all know God is powerless versus the might of keenspace. Mwahahahaha!

It's just a quick sketch, I know it looks shonky.

Jim North · Post by **Jim North** » Tue Jun 01, 2004 2:25 am

Chaos Cricket wrote:How would one go about building such a bridge, though? I mean, the moon orbits the earth at a different speed than the earth spins at, right? so either the bridge couldn't be connected at one end or the other (rendering it rather moot), or it'd have to be really flexible in ways that are probably impossible (not to mention the fact that a bridge wrapped around the world to accommodate for the difference in position wouldn't be very practical for travelling on).

Who says that the bridge would have to work in our pitiful four-dimensional universe, anyway? Just bypass width, length, breadth, and time with a fifth-dimensional tesseract and voila! Bridge to the moon.

Vorticus · Post by **Vorticus** » Tue Jun 01, 2004 9:40 am

Jim North wrote:
Chaos Cricket wrote:How would one go about building such a bridge, though? I mean, the moon orbits the earth at a different speed than the earth spins at, right? so either the bridge couldn't be connected at one end or the other (rendering it rather moot), or it'd have to be really flexible in ways that are probably impossible (not to mention the fact that a bridge wrapped around the world to accommodate for the difference in position wouldn't be very practical for travelling on).
Who says that the bridge would have to work in our pitiful four-dimensional universe, anyway? Just bypass width, length, breadth, and time with a fifth-dimensional tesseract and voila! Bridge to the moon.

Hooray for warping space and time for our own flippant enjoyment.

Rkolter · Post by **Rkolter** » Tue Jun 01, 2004 10:15 am

Jim North wrote:Who says that the bridge would have to work in our pitiful four-dimensional universe, anyway? Just bypass width, length, breadth, and time with a fifth-dimensional tesseract and voila! Bridge to the moon.

One problem... we're four dimensional objects; we cannot perceive other dimensions; it's possible that the only thing capable within our four-dimensional universe of going through another dimension is gravity, and even if we could perceive another dimension, there's no guarantee it would change the length of the voyage.

KKB's exactly correct, by the way. The cable would to go a geosynchronous station; you'd have to hop a flight from there.

Think about what it would mean to drop a cable from the moon to the earth. The moon is moving roughly a 2200 kmph. So you'd have a rope sliding along the earth at several times the speed of sound, creating a ditch behind it. You'd have to hook up to the rope with some kind of metered bungee cord that stretches REALLY quickly and retracts slowly, dragging you behind it. Not to mention that the moon is moving away from us (and accelerating as it does so) by 3cm per year. So you'd have to either make the rope extra long (and let the slack drag behind it) or make more rope each year.

On the other hand, that would be one hell of a ride!

TheGoobla · Post by **TheGoobla** » Tue Jun 01, 2004 10:32 am

Well damn, this is going to teach me to skip to the last page of threads assuming that the topic is still in some way related to the OP.

Rkolter · Post by **Rkolter** » Tue Jun 01, 2004 10:44 am

The tower of babel going to the moon thing wouldn't work either.

The problem is the extreme distance (about 240,000 miles) from the Earth.

If you want something you can walk up (say, a 30 degree angle), your pyramid needs to be about 430,000 miles wide at the base - 40+ times the diameter of the earth!

Ok, maybe a 45 degree angle? Nope. Then the base has to be equal to the height... about 240,000 miles (25 times or so earth's diameter).

How about something I could drive up, if I had a lot of gas... 60 degrees? No chance - still 140,000 mile wide base (15 times earth's diameter or so).

In fact, if you want a pyramid to the moon that'll fit in North America, it'd have to be at a staggering 89.25 degree angle, and it's base would still be 3,000 miles to a side.

Oh, and you'd better take rest stops. Even if you drove up that pyramid at highway speeds (65mph), it'll take you 153 days.

No pyramid to the moon, sorry.

::edit:: Just in case you still want to build one, get a some other planets to help pitch in. That pyramid to the moon uses 720 billion cubic miles of material. The Earth has barely 40 billion cubic miles available.

Orion · Post by **Orion** » Tue Jun 01, 2004 10:55 am

Damn you RKolter, Damn you and your cold volcano logic!!!

Jim North · Post by **Jim North** » Tue Jun 01, 2004 11:51 am

Yah! We're certainly not going to get to the moon with that attitude, mister!

Rkolter · Post by **Rkolter** » Tue Jun 01, 2004 12:08 pm

Jim North wrote:Yah! We're certainly not going to get to the moon with that attitude, mister!

Well... you could play crack-the-whip.

You don't need that much velocity to break Earth's pull - Just 11.2 kilometers per second.

Get into a "Pod". Build a Big Giant Motor (bgm) in the middle of the country, and set up a track with an 11.2 kilometer circumfrence around it (that's a 3.6 kilometer diameter - not that big really). Attach the pod to this motor with a Big Metal Bar (bmb).

Spin the bmb and Pod up to 1 revolution per second, or about 40,320 kilometers per hour.

Have a Big Stopping Block (bsb) pop up and stop the big metal bar cold, at the same time, releasing the pod.

Off you'll go at 40,000 kilometers per hour in a straight line, eventually achieving orbit. If timed properly, you could hit the moon.

You wouldn't survive... but this is an adventure, right?

[AlmightyPyro] · Post by **[AlmightyPyro]** » Tue Jun 01, 2004 12:20 pm

rkolter wrote:The tower of babel going to the moon thing wouldn't work either.

The problem is the extreme distance (about 240,000 miles) from the Earth.

If you want something you can walk up (say, a 30 degree angle), your pyramid needs to be about 430,000 miles wide at the base - 40+ times the diameter of the earth!

Ok, maybe a 45 degree angle? Nope. Then the base has to be equal to the height... about 240,000 miles (25 times or so earth's diameter).

How about something I could drive up, if I had a lot of gas... 60 degrees? No chance - still 140,000 mile wide base (15 times earth's diameter or so).

In fact, if you want a pyramid to the moon that'll fit in North America, it'd have to be at a staggering 89.25 degree angle, and it's base would still be 3,000 miles to a side.

Oh, and you'd better take rest stops. Even if you drove up that pyramid at highway speeds (65mph), it'll take you 153 days.

No pyramid to the moon, sorry.

::edit:: Just in case you still want to build one, get a some other planets to help pitch in. That pyramid to the moon uses 720 billion cubic miles of material. The Earth has barely 40 billion cubic miles available.

Yes, But the ELEVATOR to the moon is supposed to be made out of Nano Tubes, or something to that effect. Even though their super microscopic, when linked together it's one of the strongest materials in the world. (THE strongest metal). And like KKB said, it's not litteraly going to the moon, just to an orbiting space station past the earths atmosphere, that way space ship's fuel use is reduced greatly since there is nothing to fight against.

Also, at the rate the Elevator will travel at it will only take 3 days to move equipment to the top. So that makes the Odds change. So instead of the Tower of Bable, why not the Elevator of Bable!?

YarpsDat · Post by **YarpsDat** » Tue Jun 01, 2004 2:12 pm

And what is bsb for?