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Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2004 11:31 am
by RPin
Well, it DOESN'T make a right.
...
But what if I just want to make a wrong?
Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2004 11:36 am
by Warren
rkolter wrote:RPin wrote:Sooo...
Want me to run the DOS attack then?
I thought you said two wrongs don't make a right.
Oh well. Welcome to my world.
Sure, feel free to run it. Uhm... of course, it was WARREN'S idea...
It wasn't exactly my idea..... and I gave the "adult" disclaimer already!
*edges towards the door*
Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2004 11:51 am
by Rkolter
Warren wrote:rkolter wrote:RPin wrote:Sooo...
Want me to run the DOS attack then?
I thought you said two wrongs don't make a right.
Oh well. Welcome to my world.
Sure, feel free to run it. Uhm... of course, it was WARREN'S idea...
It wasn't exactly my idea..... and I gave the "adult" disclaimer already!
*edges towards the door*
Well it's not my idea... I was just joking about worms and stuff. And I never said it'd be a DOS attack... that was....
FAUB!
Get Faub! *points*
*runs toward the door*
Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2004 12:40 pm
by McDuffies
C'mon guys, you're too modest!
(though in a land where crime is punished, it's good to be modest, I guess)
Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2004 1:35 pm
by Dan Nicholls
Erm. Feel obliged to say that the FBI has tracked out-of-US hackers and prosecuted non-nationals before, or had foreign governments do it for them.
Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2004 4:11 pm
by Gage Kronos
Two wrongs don't make a right. But three rights make a left.
Posted: Sun Mar 28, 2004 3:15 am
by Phact0rri
this might seem stupid, but maybe we should work on blocking out Comictastic from our comics.... Two things popped up at me that might be methods to go with.
the first is that Jan says Comic tastic is like a browser and it crawls over HTML. so maybe a simple detection Script might disallow the browser from contining. that is...
Code: Select all
<SCRIPT language="JavaScript">
<!--
var browserName=navigator.appName;
if (browserName=="comictastic")
{
window.location="http://www.hell.org";
}
}
//-->
</SCRIPT>
The other thing I noticed were things that it can't do. like multipaneled Comics. They don't support that. what this means I'd assume if you split the images of your comic up it'll only be able to load up one one panel of you comic.
there was also a problem with Realife and I believe it had to do with how the PHP generates his comics.
At any rate. I really wish my mac was hooked to the net. Cause I'm sure there are ways to get around it. I just have no idea how it works or what method it pulls data with. Cause if we had that we could at least pass around a block until they install a way for us to block them.
Posted: Sun Mar 28, 2004 7:05 am
by Phalanx
Posted: Sun Mar 28, 2004 4:34 pm
by McDuffies
*in lack of informations from more informed people, waits till someone else comments*
Posted: Sun Mar 28, 2004 9:25 pm
by Gage Kronos
Well that's a giant step forward on one front.
Posted: Sun Mar 28, 2004 9:37 pm
by Faub
I finally was able to get RSS feeds working in Firefox. The way it works in Keenspace is you get a link to the archive page. For the Jaded, you get the "sorry you can't do that" page. For Star Bored, you get the most recent comic as it would look if you clicked the calendar or previous comic button. If this is all comictastic does then it is not the slightest threat to Keenspace.
People who use the RSS feed will never see your main page but they will see any links from the archive page.
http://www.ruxp.net/iComic.asp
iComic is an offline browser and the rips your comic pages and saves them to the local hard drive.
http://freedownloadswindows.com/windows ... sers/6776/
Some more.
Posted: Sun Mar 28, 2004 11:32 pm
by Kisai
Okay...
My official stanc is that if the reader is NOT visiting the site him/herself, then they should not be recieving anything. Period.
The "iframe grab" mentioned earlier is equally as bad as it violates the advertisement "must be above the fold of the page" requirement. Plus there is nothing stopping someone from cropping the iframe so it skips the ad.
Site rippers steal bandwidth. End of story.
It wouldn't be so bad if said ripper was like a torrent, where the next person has download it from someone who already downloaded it. But I digress.
Here is what's going to happen in 2007 when advertisement revenue bombs again due to inclusins of ad-blocking software (Norton, google toolbar, hosts files hacks, etc) ad-supported sites will either switch to a pay model, ala moderntales, or will start making the sites horribly overcomplicated that destroys the usefulness of it (see yahoo/geocities)
You want to cause the comic ripper software damage? Just get it mentioned on slashdot.org and fark.com at the same time.
For for that fax-loop comment, you do know that people who do that get reported to the fcc and can never get phone service again right? We had something like that happen at the call center I work at. Don't do that!
Communications are a privilage, not a right. When you abuse that privilage, it can be taken away. So in terms of keenspace, that means that either I can ban people who use page rippers, scrapers, downloaded, etc, or I can shutdown keenspace.com itself and tell everyone to make kazaa/napster/torrent/emule seeds of their content.
In case it hasn't become immediately obvious, the web is the easiest medium to distribute comics, as people can SEE them right away. Not like non-visual distribution methods, where you have to play "hmm this lesbian_comic_pg002.jpg looks interesting". You can't look at what comics look like on a CD you don't have, and you can't get the author to pay for their own bandwith and show it free since it's very expensive.
If people don't want to view it in the medium it's presented in, fine. You don't have to listen to audio cd's as CD's, you can rip them to mp3's, but you would be better off buying the CD to support the artist much like you should visit the web site to support the site/host/author.
When you rip a site, do you get the paypal donate buttons? Do you see the banners? How many people will actually visit the site and see these things? People are lazy... give then an extremely lazy way to see the comic and they will think that the software is what produces the comic... not some author on some free webhost.
This is the same argument presented with sprite-rip comics. You aren't harming anyone by being lazy and creating a sprite-rip using sprites swiped from someone elses hardwork of making the sprites (and no not the d00d who ripped the rip, I'm talking about the person who actually made them.) I bet none of the sprite-rip comics know who really created their sprites. So going back to the webcomics. If the ripping software creates a virtual newspaper, and you read the dozen or so comics you want, but you never see their sites, you don't care, and eventually that comic stops updating and maybe even disappears because too many people were downloading just the comic and not seeing the rest of the content where maybe the webcomic author was going "oh, looks like there are 34000 hits downloading the comic but only 20 readers, that must mean that those 20 readers are checking my site 40 times a day, guess nobody really reads this, guess nobody really reads this..." and then the site never updates again.
My point...
I can not force anyones hand. I can make it insanely more complicated to see a comic, but that's detrimental to the viewing experience. Let's just call this the smoking debate... you can smoke if you want, but you are doing more harm than good. Education is probably more important.
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