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Come Back and do more 24wat st, or maybe something else. THere are probably 20-30 artists here who would give you a front page plug when you do. You'd have an instant readership bigger than all of us combined.<P>------------------
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<A HREF="http://lazy.keenspace.com" TARGET=_blank>Lazy's World</A>

OOOOOHHH Damonk, you don't like Calvin and Hobbes!?! Ouch.<P>Anyways, these guys are all right, twenty-four. Especially about the drawing for laughs and releasing tension from your head etc. It's a free server, and people love to draw. Even if it is an inside joke, at least those couple people are getting a kick out of it. The only problem with that would be if it was happening in Keenspot. That wouldn't be right.<P>How long were you in Keenspace? I'm finding that sometimes it doesn't really matter how great you are. If you don't involve yourself in meeting the others of keenspace, you may never be seen. There are some really tremendous cartoonists out there on the 'Space that haven't been seen. Before you start receiving, you have to give a little. I'm not saying that you give solely to receive, but you know what I mean. Let people know you're there. <P>Also you have to keep in mind that your comic was bi-weekly(I think you said that). I never really get hooked by one comic. If I find something I like, I usually spend time reading the entire archives. Doing bi-weekly for two months doesn't build a huge archive, not that bi-weekly is bad, but it will take a lot longer for fans to start catching on. Hell, I started doing monthly strips, so I should know. <P>As far as emails go, you should be proud of your three. That to me, sounds pretty normal. I say come back now!!!!! Update after January if you have to, but leave your old stuff up. Tell us it'll start again in January. This is what <A HREF="http://gravity.keenspace.com" TARGET=_blank>Gravity</A> is doing. And wander the forums telling the comics that you like, "I like you". <P>Anyways, that's just what I think.<P>Pauly <P>------------------
Any artist can call their piece "Untitled", but there's only one <A HREF="http://untitledagain.keenspace.com" TARGET=_blank>Untitled Again</A>.

I love keenspace. I like it more than keenspot. My experience (since mid-October) has been nothing but positive. People have been friendly, helpful, and, halleluja, lascivious on occasion. Sad though it may sound, this is the most fulfilling thing I've done in a long, long time. I want everyone to be a part of my fantasy life on keenspace. I am, however, genetically inclined to eschew prosletyzing (but not big words!) ... so each individual must find his or her own place, or places. <P>But just so you know, the buttheads are in the minority here, and that alone gives me warm fuzzies.<P>*snf* Okay, I'm done now. I think I'll go watch "Steel Magnolias" again. <P>------------------
Scott Maddix
<A HREF="http://PDI.keenspace.com" TARGET=_blank>Psychic Dyslexia Institute:</A>
Where we all have <I>special</I> special powers

Pauly makes good points, but he's kind of wrong about a couple things. <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspace.com/forums/wink.gif"><P>1) 24 1/2 Water St. updated *daily*. Not bi-weekly or whatever.<P>2) TwentyFour *was* active with the other cartoonists. He was one of the first Spacers ever, and he hung around the General board a lot. He also chilled with us in #keenspace for a while. <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspace.com/forums/smile.gif"><P>Point being? I dunno. I think I might miss TF a little. So much of the Keenspace old school seems to be vanishing or changing or getting promoted...<P>Is it normal to feel nostalgic about six months ago?<P>------------------
John Troutman
The SporkMan Chronicles
<A HREF="http://www.sporkman.com" TARGET=_blank>http://www.sporkman.com</A><p>[This message has been edited by John T (edited 12-23-2000).]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by rtist54:
<B>OOOOOHHH Damonk, you don't like Calvin and Hobbes!?! Ouch.
</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Heh...<P>I'm not saying that I don't like Calvin and Hobbes -- in fact, I enjoy the strip quite a bit...<P>But I still only <I>buy</I> Doonesbury and Foxtrot books (I used to get all the Bloom County ones, too, but Breathed be gone now)...<P>There's a number of good to great webstrips out there, and a person only has a certain amount of time and resources available, so it's natural that everyone will not look at everyone else stuff...<P>But that doesn't reduce the quality of the stuff in question!<P>That's more or less what I meant. <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspace.com/forums/biggrin.gif"> <P>Anywho, time for one last ramen fix, and then its to the bus terminal for me!<P>WHEEEEEEEE!!! <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspace.com/forums/cool.gif"><P>(And TF, if you've you've got Trout on your side, you <I>must</I> consider coming back -- I mean, he's become like the Godfather of the Space or something! <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspace.com/forums/wink.gif"> )<P>------------------
"Woohoo! I FINALLY thought of a witty qu~~
DAMMIT. I can't remember what it was now...
But, man. It was witty. Whoo.
Honest.
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OK.
So I got nothing."
--damonk13
<A HREF="http://framed.keenspace.com/" TARGET=_blank>Framed! The Comic!</A>
(now with Beta-Carotine and new, minty <A HREF="http://www.keenspace.com/cgi-bin/ubb/fo ... LastLogin=" TARGET=_blank>Forum</A>!)

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by John T:
<B>Pauly makes good points, but he's kind of wrong about a couple things. <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspace.com/forums/wink.gif"><P>1) 24 1/2 Water St. updated *daily*. Not bi-weekly or whatever.<P>2) TwentyFour *was* active with the other cartoonists. He was one of the first Spacers ever, and he hung around the General board a lot. He also chilled with us in #keenspace for a while. <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspace.com/forums/smile.gif"><P>Point being? I dunno. I think I might miss TF a little. So much of the Keenspace old school seems to be vanishing or changing or getting promoted...<P>Is it normal to feel nostalgic about six months ago?<P></B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Well, damn, that completely defenestrated my entire point!!!!! (I can't believe I was actually able to use that word.) <P>Now i REALLY want to see some Water Street. Don't leave!!!!! I am assuming that since you want it to be taken off, it's still up. What is the url!?! I've checked the Keendex and stuff, but I can't find it. John, do you know?<P>Pauly

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by John T:
<B>So much of the Keenspace old school seems to be vanishing or changing or getting promoted...</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>That means... we're like, the next generation. Wow. Actually, I don't think anyone who STARTED on the Space has been Spotted yet, although it can only be a matter of time... but it would be VERY nice if a strip that was born and bred on the Space could be elevated to Spot status soon, just to prove that Keenspace does gestate, grow and breed good comics.<P>I agree that the Space is far too big, and that in many ways, some of the comics are a disgrace. And I've already found out that some cartoonists are just assholes who probably think they're the new Eight just because they're so rude and attitude-driven, but frankly, honey, aren't doing anything worthwhile. *ahem*.<P>Keenspace does an excellent job for those people who it is helping. However, it desperately needs a HUGE overhaul and revamp, like they did to the Keenspot front page. I think we need a default front page, because basically, what's up there now is more or less JUST for reference - it's not really very prepossessing, it looks clinical and official, it doesn't hint at the variety and richness of the Space. SOMETHING needs to be done.<P>Heck... theoretically, if someone came along and said they wanted to invite my strip to join a rival comic hosting service, and their publicity was even halfway as good as the Spot's publicity, I'd find it VERY hard to refuse. I feel I owe a lot to Keenspace and its creators, but I do think they need to, you know, work on making the Space more appealing to readers instead of presenting it as a mere "we host it, you do the rest" thing. Which is why I am following the Gear developments with GREAT interest.<P>Did I sound incoherent/ranty/uninformed/whatever? Oops. Sorry.<P>Mab
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<A HREF="http://blottostreet.keenspace.com" TARGET=_blank>Blotto Street</A> - The most important British webcomic about student life you'll EVER read.

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Gravity:
<B>...part of the WisenHeimer board, which you have to be invited to join. It's full of professional and syndicated comic artists. And you know what, it's great. Everyone there knows they are competing with each other, but everyone supports one another a great deal.</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Have you got a link for us there?<P>The 'Space is cool, and sometimes I feel I'm more here for the community than for <A HREF="http://portside.keenspace.com" TARGET=_blank>my comic.</A> The people here are (for the most part) friendly and helpful, and while you do get the odd immature one, it's not really that big a deal.
It's a lot better here than some of the other forums/communities I've seen, and I really want to see it grow, mature, and become something in it's own right, rather than just being a staging area for future 'Spot strips. I wouldn't have started the <A HREF="http://gear.keenspace.com" TARGET=_blank>Gear</A> project if I felt otherwise.<P>------------------
Time will tell. Sooner or later, time will tell - Albert Einstein, Red Alert.
Don't Panic. - Hitch-Hikers Guide to the Galaxy.
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I haven't read all the posts here, but my take on all this is pretty much a mellow one. Basically, cartooning will never leave the cartoonist (ifn that's what you are)- <P>I'm not nervous at all jumping in the pool of aspiring and amatuer cartoonists, the more the merrier. Beyond posting here, I am also part of the WisenHeimer board, which you have to be invited to join. It's full of professional and syndicated comic artists. And you know what, it's great. Everyone there knows they are competing with each other, but everyone supports one another a great deal. Sure you'll have the occasional disagreement here on Kspace, but for the most part, it's a cool community. I have only been here for a few weeks and I can't wait to launch my strip on Jan 1st. I have recieved some e-mails from some of you saying that they're intimidated by my strip, which is flattering to me, but not the attitude to have. I have been doing this for a pretty long time, so it's like a second nature to me. If David chooses to not put his strip here, it's his perogative. When I see Dave's comments, I can relate to the frustration he shows, I was there at one time. But someone here stated that it might be better the second time around, and they were dead on. One of the first decisions, and tough of the toughest ones you will make before reaching a pro-level, will be when to quit!- I mean, you have to be honest with yourself. If you yourself are not happy with your strip then if you continue to do that strip it will ultimately evolve right before your eyes till you get the kinks out. And believe me if you see a problem, even the slightest, your audience will too. The big decision comes when you relaize that an idea you had just isn;t working, and this is the TRUE crossroads--Do you decide to keep beating a dead horse? Do you quit? Or do you try something new with a new slant and view, maybe even a new style?-- If you choose the last one, you are being honest with yourself, and you are on the road to a great career.- <P>Now those comments are not aimed at anyone specifically, I have never read Dave's strip or 95% of the other Kspacers. It's just genearl advice I have collected and utilized. Strip to Strip first. FIND your audience, do not expect them to find you....
<A HREF="http://gravity.keenspace.com" TARGET=_blank>http://gravity.keenspace.com</A> <P>------------------
D.J. Coffman
<A HREF="http://gravity.keenspace.com" TARGET=_blank>READ GRAVITY!</A>
<A HREF="http://gravity.keenspace.com/crew.htm" TARGET=_blank>MEET THE CHARACTERS!</A>

The link for the Wisen is at <A HREF="http://goff.drh.net" TARGET=_blank>http://goff.drh.net</A> -You usually need to be invited to get in there, or be a working professional or at least act professional. CHeck it out.<P>------------------
D.J. Coffman
<A HREF="http://gravity.keenspace.com" TARGET=_blank>READ GRAVITY!</A>
<A HREF="http://gravity.keenspace.com/crew.htm" TARGET=_blank>MEET THE CHARACTERS!</A>

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PDI:
<B>I love keenspace. I like it more than keenspot. My experience (since mid-October) has been nothing but positive. People have been friendly, helpful, and, halleluja, lascivious on occasion.</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>There are nice guys and punks. The thing is, one nice guy makes up for 50 punks. We aren't all a united front, that's for sure, but with 400 (heck, even with 40), who is?<P> <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PDI:
<B>But just so you know, the buttheads are in the minority here, and that alone gives me warm fuzzies.</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>I think the apathetic are actually the majority, but the point is well taken (especially since one nice guy is worth ten punks, as I said before).<P>Twentyfour, I read your strip back in the day, and I'd love to see it or something like it return. Let the backstabbing slide -- come back to #keenspace, we'd like to see you return...<P>--Michael<P>------------------
<A HREF="http://wscholars.keenspace.com" TARGET=_blank>Weishaupt Scholars</A> -- Fewer obscure inside jokes than the title would seem to suggest!

hey, just checkin... how many people were here at the very, very beginning of Keenspace? i came in like two days after it started, so i feel special...<P>hits dont matter. popularity doesnt matter. i got into the game cause i personally like to draw. if you dont wanna do it anymore, dont! if you dont wanna participate in events an such, dont! its a free country here on the space. <P>------------------
patheic subliminal message for the day:<A HREF="http://lint.keenspace.com" TARGET=_blank>lint</A> and [URL=http://jfiles.keenspace.com]The J Files

New dropdown idea. "OLD SCHOOL" Keen.
Or at least have a Special week deadicated to Old Keenspace comics that are till updated after all this time.
I'm a 3 month old Keener.. so I'm HARDLY a newbie.. but I would still take part. As someone who's been a net user since my middle school years (I'm a post-grad now) I KNOW what it feels to be an "Old timer" admid a rush of new gold diggers. <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspace.com/forums/smile.gif"><P>And hey I figure if the substandard artists can pull the views.. Well what the hell.. they probly have a better agent than the better artists. Explain Rob Liefield. =P<P>------------------
-Paige (happygoth)
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I'd pay for a book that explained Rob Liefeld!<P>Mike "And lo, there came X-Force, and all who did not fall to their knees to worship it scratched their heads and said 'what?'" Leffel
--tee hee!

I could tell you some gritty stories about Liefeld form my days in Anaheim... One word can sum him up, and most would agree that knew/know him-- "Prick"-- <P>------------------
D.J. Coffman
<A HREF="http://gravity.keenspace.com" TARGET=_blank>READ GRAVITY!</A>
<A HREF="http://gravity.keenspace.com/crew.htm" TARGET=_blank>MEET THE CHARACTERS!</A>

Whozat?<P>------------------
Scott Maddix
<A HREF="http://PDI.keenspace.com" TARGET=_blank>Psychic Dyslexia Institute:</A>
Where we all have <I>special</I> special powers

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PDI:
<B>Whozat?</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Worst Comic Book Artist in History.<P>Rob Liefeld got famous doing X-Force for Marvel, and was one of the founders of Image (he did Youngblood). He's a real prima-donna too, always putting down other artists.<P>Karva draws characters with more realistic anatomy than Liefeld. The female characters he draws always walk on tiptoe. Almost everyone he draws has a utility belt...on their waist, wrists, ankles, biceps, etc. He just really loves little pouches for some reason. And his take on Captain America for the Heroes Reborn thing was hilarious...the pecs were so big it looked like Cap could balance a plate on them and eat off of it while standing up.<P>Rob Liefeld exemplifies everything that wis wrong with the comic book market.<P>I hate him.<P>------------------
"Truth hides on the other side of a two-way mirror
In countless documents sent straight to the shredder
That might finally give us the whole of the picture
But until the day we decide to dig a little deeper
We know that truth will hide
Under fallen rocks and stones
At the end of a disconnected phone
Down an unmarked street
And buried, deep beneath your feet."
- Asian Dub Foundation, "Truth Hides" from <I>Community Music</I>

But ... tell me how you <I>really</I> feel...<P>------------------
Scott Maddix
<A HREF="http://PDI.keenspace.com" TARGET=_blank>Psychic Dyslexia Institute:</A>
Where we all have <I>special</I> special powers

I thought Liefeld was good when he first became popular. But after a while, his style just got really boring. It was if he was no longer improving, and was content with where he was. I think no matter how good you are, there is always room for improvement. So his career, in my opinion, has become a real disappointment. But maybe he will redeem himself one day.<P>Pauly<P>------------------
Any artist can call their piece "Untitled", but there's only one <A HREF="http://untitledagain.keenspace.com" TARGET=_blank>Untitled Again</A>.

I never liked X-Force or Youngblood.
Well I didn't.
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All for me and none for you!
<A HREF="http://jwalkin.keenspace.com/" TARGET=_blank>J-Walkin'</A> is where the heart is.
<A HREF="http://comicollage.keenspace.com/" TARGET=_blank>Comicollage</A> has seven different cartoonists.
Neat, eh?