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Redtech wrote:Did someone say "well hung?" :twisted:

Apparently my lead is a 31 on a Mary-Sue test. Or a borderliner. Kinda odd when I prefer drawing other chars!

That's what I get when I create a char who's smarter than I am. :shifty:
39 for my protagonist, or 42 if I can consider him to be a sort of double secret agent man, both of which qualify him as: Mary-Sue. Your character needs some work in order to be believable. But despair not; you should still be able to salvage her with a little effort. Don't give up. All his carefully repressed angst must be what put him over the top.

That's what I get when I create a character who is more inclined to kill people with his bare hands than I am :shifty:

Seriously, though? Some things that make a Mary Sue awful can be added, sparingly, to a perfectly fine character to make them more interesting, especially in adventure stories, thrillers, heroic epics, etc. Or Mary-Sueism can be added with a nice big side order of irony and a tongue in a cheek.

If the comic is about the artist, as with a journal comic, then the key is simply to be honest about yourself and the world around you, even when it's embarrassing and painful. That makes for the best of that type of comic, imo.

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Y'all got me curious, so I had to try it. My lead scored a 13.

If she had scored three points higher, I would have retconned her so her middle name was Sue (not really a retcon, since at this point she's only been referred to by her first name).

Heck, maybe I'll do it anyway.
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rcmonroe wrote:Y'all got me curious, so I had to try it. My lead scored a 13.

If she had scored three points higher, I would have retconned her so her middle name was Sue (not really a retcon, since at this point she's only been referred to by her first name).

Heck, maybe I'll do it anyway.
I got curious too. My lead scored a 3 and one of my secondary characters a 16...but as he is, in many ways, a parody of a Sue-type person, I was kind of surprised he didn't score higher.
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While I understand what the whold 'mary sue' thing is supposed to make people aware of, I don't really buy the mary sue litmus tests. If a character is believeable within the scope of the story you're telling, then that's all that matters. After all, there's plenty of examples of highly successful, highly idealized archetypical characters out there.
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I got 27 for Malena, thought I was gonna get more because of royal origin, marriage escaping, forbidden sword fighting, but it's a fairytale of sorts anyways.
Got 21 for Helen of "Kill'er now". I was on the verge of not checking questions related to good look because she's in Hollywood where good looks is more of a norm than elsewhere, but when for a worst case scenario.

Fun test. Of course it's not to be taken literally, but it does have some valuable pointers, makes you wonder whether some characteristics really are there because of some reason, or just because you thought they're cool.

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Yeah, I saw it more as a list of stuff to try to avoid doing too much of, as opposed to a list of things to stay away from completely. In any event, I'm conviced that the better a writer you are, the more you're able to "pull off" writing a Mary Sue character.
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Heh... Dawn (Kelli's girlfriend) got a 19 on that Mary Sue test. :lol:

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Kemmy wrote:I got curious too. My lead scored a 3 and one of my secondary characters a 16...but as he is, in many ways, a parody of a Sue-type person, I was kind of surprised he didn't score higher.
A 3? A THREE?

::sends sidekick character through test::

::sidekick emerges with 17::

I think I cheated a bit. Does "needs a haircut" count as having unusual hair?

In any case, some things that would make a character Mary Sue-ish if she's, say, in high school, are just environment-appropriate for a guy in... oh... the multilingual, dangerous, imperial Roman court.

Oh, I know it's all in fun :P
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Redtech wrote:Did someone say "well hung?" :twisted:
Go read my comic... it'll blow you mind



and whats this numbers thing going around? did I miss a link to some test or something?

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spqrblues wrote:::sends sidekick character through test::

::sidekick emerges with 17::

I think I cheated a bit. Does "needs a haircut" count as having unusual hair?

In any case, some things that would make a character Mary Sue-ish if she's, say, in high school, are just environment-appropriate for a guy in... oh... the multilingual, dangerous, imperial Roman court.

Oh, I know it's all in fun :P
Marie got some points knocked off at the end...can't remember why. So did Casey, but it didn't help him as much. Plus my comic is not fantasy (most of the time), so obviously, the characters aren't going to be wandering around with weapons...etc....
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I decided to have my protagonist take the test to see what happens. Hui got a 14 and Rose got an 18. I honestly thought Rose would score much higher.
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Say, which litmus test were we taking, anyway?

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My protagonist got a minus five. I think that means I have the opposite problem.

Mind you, I think they were jumping to conclusions a bit when they called a non-Sue a "well-developed, balanced person".
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Given that my comic is an accumulation of a variety of anime cliches, by taking the test, I think I would destroy the scale and whatever domain hosted it.

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I'm not being sarcastic, I'm genuinely terrified and confused and.... uh..... well actually, I'd just never considered this before. That's all.

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Robbie wrote:I'm not being sarcastic, I'm genuinely terrified and confused and.... uh..... well actually, I'd just never considered this before. That's all.
You're fine. Didn't mean to worry you. There's not much opportunity for Mary Sueness in a gag comic, and even if it does happen, it's no biggie.
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While I haven't taken a Mary Sue test, apparently Lightbringer was reviewed by a website called Canon Sues. They actually say that they only skimmed a lot of it and pointed out some legitimate plot holes in the comic. I posted a response to it but even after a week they haven't responded. I'm not sure how to take that.
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Linkara wrote:While I haven't taken a Mary Sue test, apparently Lightbringer was reviewed by a website called Canon Sues. They actually say that they only skimmed a lot of it and pointed out some legitimate plot holes in the comic. I posted a response to it but even after a week they haven't responded. I'm not sure how to take that.

Take it with a smile, they say you have plot holes..and yet they can tell this with a skim? Foreshadowing is the first thing lost on a skim...

All this talk about Mary Sues.. where would we be if Lee or Kirby didn't project their desires onto their creations, did anyone run the Mary Sue test on Eisner's Spirit? Comic's by and large are wish fullfillment, we relentlessly depict our want's with minute detail, I think the term is still a better term for novel's comic's usually have at least a touch of "preferential treatment" of their material..

Join the ranks of Bond, Doc Savage, Captain Kirk, Luke Skywalker and throw off your fears of Mary Sue-dom...


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dag nabit - what is this mary sue test you're all talking about? someone link me or something... its confusing me!

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webkilla wrote:dag nabit - what is this mary sue test you're all talking about? someone link me or something... its confusing me!
Johndar wrote:The universal test:

http://www.springhole.net/quizzes/marysue.htm

The original fiction test:

http://www.ponylandpress.com/ms-test.html
I guess we're taking it for granted that everyone should know how to Google "Mary Sue Test." Although for convenience's sake, it's nice to have a link posted.
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