Discussing Controversial Issues via Webcomics

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[AOD] wrote:How can one explore controversial issues of this type in a reasonable and evenhanded manner, through comics? Are there any of you who have handled hot topics like this? How did you do it?
Well, wait a second. Most of us are writing fiction. When you're writing fiction, you define the world. Your goal is then to make people believe what you say by any means necessary.

That means you create events and items that turn the 'controversial' into common sense. I hope I've convinced people reading my comic that God is a figment of their imagination in my webcomic's world. I'm not trying to convince them of anything outside my fictional world. (But if they want to extrapolate my ideas to real life, I'd be tickled.)

And if I convince people that nuking New York City is the right thing to do, I'll be doing my job. That doesn't mean I actually think it's a good idea. :)

You, AOD, on the other hand, are not writing fiction. That means you're acting as a reporter. There are two kinds of reporters. Some take press releases from both sides of controversial issues and hand them to the public, telling them to make their own choices. This type of reporter is commonly known as 'Lazy SCUM (So-Called-Unbiased-Media) who are wrecking contemporary journalism'. :)

The *right* way to be a reporter is to look at the facts, tell those facts to your audience, and give them a clinical summary of what the facts contain. If the facts do not support any specific conclusion, say that. If they weigh heavily on one side of a controversial argument, come down heavily on that side -- if someone claims you're biased, point them to the facts and tell them to wake up and smell reality. A good reporter is unbiased not because he presents all arguments, both good and bad. A good reporter is unbiased like a judge, who hears all arguments, discards the bad ones, and makes a wise decision based upon them.

When you start writing fiction about global warming, you can melt the ice caps with sharks wearing laser beams on their heads, and everyone will agree that it's a serious problem. :)
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I think we, as comic creators, should talk about whatever the hell we feel like, controversial or not.

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My opinion, is never use a comic as a soap box.

In fictional comics, your comic world is not the same world as the one you live in, even if it started out the same. Examples where I think real world events or pop-culture destroyed or ruined a webcomic:
Referencing "All your base"
Using 9/11 terrorist event, when it happened
"O RLY?"
"Snakes on a plane!"
References to "wardrobe malfunctions"
References to the Harry Potter or LOTR movies
References to the Star Wars or Star Trek movies/tv shows, technobabble and pseudo-science.
D&D references, when the characters are not playing D&D
Video game references when the characters couldn't possibly have played the game.

I mean yes, if your comic takes place -AFTER- those events, then there is a possibilty of referencing those events as historical fact, but referencing them as they happen turns your comic into a fictional (political) blog, and that's not what readers want to read if it didn't start that way.

For a comic that is non-fiction, then what you are writing is the webcomic equivilant of journalism, and since it's non fiction, will fail if it's presented as biased for or against something.

This is why PETA has no credability(their actions are completely one sided and warped to make it look like they care about animals, but they kill animals themselves), Greenpeace comes off as eco-terrorists to companies that produce product that has an effect on the environment, <a href="http://www.taemag.com/issues/articleID. ... rrorism</a>

It's also why political groups called "green" parties tend to rarely get voted for, as their motivations give the impression to the rest of the voters that they'd ban meat, ban timber,ban mining and make people pay through the nose to drive or throw stuff in the garbage.

Not to mention <a href="http://www.envirotruth.org/sacbeeApril2 ... raising</a> for these groups are completely wasted. (Note link goes to site that downplays a lot of greenpeace hype topics)

Go back to the science itself. Climate is changing, but by how much and where? http://www.minimumsecurity.net is a soap box.

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Let fiction stick with its fictatious realm, and reality dwell in its own real realm.

Multiple times I thought about doing something heavily realistic, maybe even some kind of graphical commentary (like a historical cartoon?), but after a few months, rough draft after rough draft, they become so warped that the story becomes seems fictional. I think it's nicer to be able to fluxuate the story as you please, instead of having to research what happened next and why it happened and so on to draw a completely accurate historical record (which, I think, is quite important for any attempts to discuss serious matters -- you have to have your facts straight before discussing any issue)


The news and history is also warped, bloated, and partially made-up.
I say keep the realism out of your comics unless they're set in a contemporary setting. ;) you could however, always try to reintroduce any current events by posing a "similar" situation in your comic.
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I don't think you "should" or "shouldn't" do anything—it's your comic strip, you make the rules. Anyone who says different is just trying to apply their definition of what a comic should be to your comic.

But if what you're asking is "how do I present my opinion on this controversial subject without alienating those who disagree with me," forget about it, you can't. Some people are going to be turned off out of hand, and there's nothing you can do about it. Don't worry about those people. The people you may want to worry about are those that wouldn't automatically walk away because of your opinion but will walk away if they don't like the way you're stating it. Be creative. Be entertaining. Be human. Don't be preachy or heavy-handed. Easy rules, hard to follow.

Gary Trudeau (Doonesbury), Walt Kelly (Pogo), and Al Capp (Li'l Abner) are/were three outstanding strip cartoonists who regularly immersed themselves in the political issues of their times, all successfully. That being said, all three of them were at times also preachy and heavyhanded, and at those times their satire was less successful. The point I'm making is this: it's a tough road to hoe—even the best can't navigate it successfully all the time.
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I haven't done anything controversial yet and I'm not sure it'll really seem that way anyway. I'm just gonna handle it from my characters point of view if and when anything comes around in the storyline.
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Just because we could doesn't mean we should.

Take for instance Hudlin or Millar, or even Peter David.

Very famous comic book writers, but are known for their political soapboxes utterly turning a comic book into basically their own private rant.

Hudlin, specifically, does it in a way that's humorously bad. Heck, Marvel as a whole has done it in a humorously bad way. They do it in such a way that they try to create their own political side as the pure and noble one, and twists their opposition into a badly done caricature.

Writers are human beings, and they are entitled to their opinion. Short of sattire, or even metacommentary, political allegory of real life events shouldn't be the sole influence of a nearly original fictional universe.

If you want to get something off your chest about it, well then, that's what blogs are for :)

I remember, not to name any names or even say where they are hosted, one or two webcomics stating they would refuse to make updates after the last american presidential election. We should all just keep those sorts of things the heck out of our comics to start with and we will be happier for it.

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Kisai wrote:My opinion, is never use a comic as a soap box.
comics make for great soap boxes. Its a great medium, look at political cartoons for example. It really depends on what the comic is about. There's tons of really popular comics that do it all the time. Kinda like music, even if they aren't preaching to my sensabilities, if its got a nice bassline, I'm gonna listen.. four on the floor even better. same with a comic, it makes me laugh or get into a story.. then by all means say what ever ya want.

However in this global warming I believe that the comic should educate, and say what it is. not discuss an opinion on it. give them away to get more information, would be a great avenue if you mention it in a comic.
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This may be old news to some, but I just realised it fits here fairly well...and it could show how ANY story could be considered controversial.

We're producing a school play this year, the Harry Potter one I wrote four years ago. It's the second time we're doing it. Once again, a few kids have been dragged out of it because it is about witches and magic and evil and stuff. No big surprise there, it's been argued about all over the world by close minded people.

But two years ago, when we did my School Spirit play, kids were not allowed to do it because it was an evil story as well. It had ghosts in it. Apparently. It was even hinted I had an evil mind for daring to write it.

So yeah...I guess my comic IS controversial after all...

People are stupid, eh?
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Who'da thought that the subject of comics tackling controversial issues would itself be controversial? I've never seen so many "shoulds" in a topic.
We should all just keep those sorts of things the heck out of our comics to start with and we will be happier for it
Thanks for that gem. But please don't speak for me. Good satire is about the only thing that keeps me from suicide, and it's in short enough supply as it is.

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SAFE NON OFFENSIVE TOPICS FOR WEBCOMICS

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princess wrote:SAFE NON OFFENSIVE TOPICS FOR WEBCOMICS

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Egg and spoon races
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God damn Tiddley winks!! And... and BREAD. #@$ing bread. I - I just can't talk to you anymore, Princess.
Dutch! wrote:It was even hinted I had an evil mind for daring to write it.
So yeah...I guess my comic IS controversial after all...
Oh.. and you're just dastardly. I'm offended constantly.

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That guy wrote: God damn Tiddley winks!! And... and BREAD. #@$ing bread. I - I just can't talk to you anymore, Princess.
Oh no- I forgot about the gluten- intolerent!
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warbaby1 wrote:Who'da thought that the subject of comics tackling controversial issues would itself be controversial? I've never seen so many "shoulds" in a topic.
We should all just keep those sorts of things the heck out of our comics to start with and we will be happier for it
Thanks for that gem. But please don't speak for me. Good satire is about the only thing that keeps me from suicide, and it's in short enough supply as it is.
Well said.
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princess wrote:SAFE NON OFFENSIVE TOPICS FOR WEBCOMICS

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Kittens
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Bread (plain sliced white)
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Lawn mowing
Sewing
Baking
Folk Dancing
Egg and spoon races
Tiddley winks
French Cricket
I was going to add fridges to that list, but then I just downloaded fridge hentai, so scratch that one out.

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RPin wrote:
princess wrote:SAFE NON OFFENSIVE TOPICS FOR WEBCOMICS

by Mimo

Kittens
Puppies
Bread (plain sliced white)
Paper
Lawn mowing
Sewing
Baking
Folk Dancing
Egg and spoon races
Tiddley winks
French Cricket
I was going to add fridges to that list, but then I just downloaded fridge hentai, so scratch that one out.
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princess wrote:SAFE NON OFFENSIVE TOPICS FOR WEBCOMICS

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Kittens
Puppies
Bread (plain sliced white)
Paper
Lawn mowing
Sewing
Baking
Folk Dancing
Egg and spoon races
Tiddley winks
French Cricket
Oh... I will prove you wrong on the Tiddley-Winks. Someday.
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princess wrote:French Cricket
You mean Freedom Cricket? :x
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...and don't get me started on the winking part!

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"Tiddley" has gotta be euphemism for something...
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Tiddly squat!
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