Keenspot

JexKerome · Post by **JexKerome** » Sun Oct 31, 2004 11:50 pm

To be 100% serious here, I find the condescending attitude the americans harbor towards the french incredibly irritating and seriously outdated, specially since it was generated by leaving out facts on purpose, much like the matter of the charge of the Light Brigade.

Jim North · Post by **Jim North** » Sun Oct 31, 2004 11:53 pm

Good lord, people, just take the joke and move on with your lives.

Cope · Post by **Cope** » Mon Nov 01, 2004 12:06 am

No need to get defensive, now.

Evil Jamie! · Post by **Evil Jamie!** » Mon Nov 01, 2004 3:46 am

Jim North wrote:Good lord, people, just take the joke and move on with your lives.

Isn't that against the rules of the internet?

Mr.Bob · Post by **Mr.Bob** » Mon Nov 01, 2004 5:12 am

Evil Jamie! wrote:
Isn't that against the rules of the internet?

Are you a good cyber-citizen?

Warren · Post by **Warren** » Mon Nov 01, 2004 6:45 am

JexKerome wrote:To be 100% serious here, I find the condescending attitude the americans harbor towards the french incredibly irritating and seriously outdated, specially since it was generated by leaving out facts on purpose, much like the matter of the charge of the Light Brigade.

Being uppity towards Americans because we're picking on the French makes you no better than us. Nobody here is seriously advocating wiping the chain-smoking insolent little backstabbers off the face of the Earth or anything, we're just poking fun. Lots of Americans have French blood in them (probably a substantial portion of this very forum). And if you're part French, you can rip on the country all you want.

IVstudios · Post by **IVstudios** » Mon Nov 01, 2004 6:52 am

Yah, were sort of like neighbors who can't stand each other. There's a lot of name calling and ruining of casseroles, but we're not about to start shooting each other.

JexKerome · Post by **JexKerome** » Mon Nov 01, 2004 8:20 am

Warren wrote:
JexKerome wrote:To be 100% serious here, I find the condescending attitude the americans harbor towards the french incredibly irritating and seriously outdated, specially since it was generated by leaving out facts on purpose, much like the matter of the charge of the Light Brigade.
Being uppity towards Americans because we're picking on the French makes you no better than us. Nobody here is seriously advocating wiping the chain-smoking insolent little backstabbers off the face of the Earth or anything, we're just poking fun. Lots of Americans have French blood in them (probably a substantial portion of this very forum). And if you're part French, you can rip on the country all you want.

Uppity? since when is speaking your mind uppity?

Plus, no such thing as french blood.

Warren · Post by **Warren** » Mon Nov 01, 2004 8:40 am

The context of your statement was uppity. To state we leave out facts on purpose and call us "outdated" is to imply you feel an air of superiority.

And as for the "French blood" thing, perhaps it's an English thing that you don't get. I'll state again that many forumites are probably at least in part descended from the French.

Chaos Cricket · Post by **Chaos Cricket** » Mon Nov 01, 2004 9:10 am

I'm an equal-opportunity jackass--I make fun of everyone regardless of race, creed, color, nationality, or haircut. Stupidity knows no boundaries, after all, so I have to be ready and willing to make fun of it wherever I find it.

'Sides, I make fun of the French for historical things (like having more revolutions per minute than a long play record), and could really care less what they're doing/not doing now. Hell, I make fun of America more than I do France.

Andrew Hickey · Post by **Andrew Hickey** » Mon Nov 01, 2004 9:17 am

It's a lot better to make fun of the French for something that has some basis in reality though. The American 'the French always surrender' crap is particularly ridiculous when you realise that the French lost more soldiers in one battle in World War I than America has lost in all the wars in its history together. Given the Americans' attitude in Vietnam, I hardly think they can talk about anyone else surrendering, you bunch of hamburger-eating surrender monkeys :-p
Now, if you're going to make fun of the French for eating snails and frogs, smelling funny, and being arrogant, and being, generally, French, that's a different matter...

Andrew
(Brit and equal-opportunity bigot, with his tongue firmly in his cheek)

Alaina · Post by **Alaina** » Mon Nov 01, 2004 9:33 am

JexKerome wrote:To be 100% serious here, I find the condescending attitude the americans harbor towards the french incredibly irritating and seriously outdated, specially since it was generated by leaving out facts on purpose, much like the matter of the charge of the Light Brigade.

When I was in France, they were rude to me.

Now I know how it feels!

IVstudios · Post by **IVstudios** » Mon Nov 01, 2004 11:07 am

"First, let us dispense with the ridicules notion that the French are rude. The French are NOT rude, they just happen to hate YOU."

-Dave Barry

Vorticus · Post by **Vorticus** » Mon Nov 01, 2004 11:42 am

ivstudios wrote:"First, let us dispense with the ridicules notion that the French are rude. The French are NOT rude, they just happen to hate YOU."

-Dave Barry

I guess the French hate alot of people. Doesn't mix well with Americans who tend to be entirely to chummy.

IVstudios · Post by **IVstudios** » Mon Nov 01, 2004 1:24 pm

I thought that was the Italians (is allowed to make that joke because he is 1/2 Italian)

"The number one cause of Injury in Italy is being passionately embraced by strangers."

-Also Dave Barry

Stucifer_the_maligned · Mon Nov 01, 2004 1:34 pm

i think it's horribly mean to stereotype people from a certain country! this really offends me, gang! besides, if we wanted to take over france, all we really need is a carton of cigarettes, some wax paper, and a chicken.

Sippan · Post by **Sippan** » Mon Nov 01, 2004 3:49 pm

Mr.Bob wrote:
Evil Jamie! wrote:
Isn't that against the rules of the internet?
Are you a good cyber-citizen?

Meh!

"5. DON'T try to break into computers. It's not a game."

But it is a game!!!

JexKerome · Post by **JexKerome** » Mon Nov 01, 2004 4:45 pm

Warren wrote:The context of your statement was uppity. To state we leave out facts on purpose and call us "outdated" is to imply you feel an air of superiority.

Why? I'm simply stating facts. None of us were in WW2, and I'm sure at least you and I have forgotten most of the facts surrounding that silly stereotype. If one of the forumites were a history buff/major, then he'd be an exception of the rule, but the truth is that, like children, most of you that use that phrase picked it up because you heard other people using it, and when -or if- you were informed of the expression's background, said information was most likely truncated, incomplete and biased, as in "the french surrender fast always, period". And that, my friend, is an stereotype.

[quote='Warren"]
And as for the "French blood" thing, perhaps it's an English thing that you don't get. I'll state again that many forumites are probably at least in part descended from the French.[/quote]

In order to have "french blood" you'd have to be a second or third generation french american at most; after that the family would be too ingrained in the american lifestyle and any french "quirks" would not be present in the youngest generation; the italian mobster clich

Jim North · Post by **Jim North** » Mon Nov 01, 2004 5:10 pm

*ahem*

I reiterate - IT WAS A FUCKDAMNED JOKE.

I know that the French do not now surrender at the drop of a hat. Hell, I know damn well that then they never surrendered at the drop of a hat. The facts are that during WWII:

1) Only part of France was truly under Nazi rule.

2) Even in the part that was heavy under the German thumb, there was a revolutionary force working underground.

3) The only reason they surrendered in the first place wasn't because they were wusses or all too ready to fold like a card castle, but because Germany beat the everloving shit out of them.

I know all of this quite well and I still made the joke because it was, in fact, a joke. You remember what jokes are? Those silly things that you're not supposed to take seriously? Yah, it was one of those. The most it was supposed to illicit was polite "oh ho, tee hee, ahha!" laughter or a simple rolling of the eyes at the absurdity of it all. Not all of this nonsense.

It's just like the whole "Brits have bad teeth" and "Aussies do nothing but ride kangaroos and throw boomerangs all day" and "Americans are stupid jackasses who have no idea about stuff outside their country" nonsense that everyone jokes about, but isn't always 100% true, if it's even true at all! Hardly anyone believes in this stuff (especially the stuff about rifle-dropping French), and those that do aren't worth bothering with.

Sweet. Baby. Jesus.

Warren · Post by **Warren** » Mon Nov 01, 2004 5:16 pm

What he said.

And...

JexKerome wrote:In order to have "french blood" you'd have to be a second or third generation french american at most...

You couldn't be more wrong. I'm speaking of genetics, not culture. Do Irish people become less Irish because they don't live in Ireland? Of course not. Many still have the characteristic red hair and freckles. Although the genetics get more diffuse, they still exist. That is what I mean by "blood".

And in other news, I like pie. We made Pumpkin Pie tonight. I think I'll have some now.