Ashlee Simpson

McBean · Post by **McBean** » Tue Oct 26, 2004 4:11 am

omg spielling error!

McDuffies · Post by **McDuffies** » Tue Oct 26, 2004 9:32 am

Mr Ekshin wrote:
mcDuffies wrote:I'm cool with her, people often neglect how later irish singresses like Dolores O'Riordan were influenced by her way of singing - Or maybe I'm wrong, maybe it's simply traditional in irish folk - but anyway, she has some voice behind her.
I just didn't know about the pope picture thing.
And there was Kate O'Riordan of The Pogues, who was married to Elvis Costello before he nabbed that pretty jazz singer with the lacklustre talent (who's name I can't speak aloud, or type).

Anywho, Kate's voice just killed me, and on drunken evenings would bring a tear to my eye. Just a gorgeous voice.

ELO (look it up ) once got sued by fans when they tried to pull that lipsync thing on a tour. They lost, and played live after that, but not nearly a well.

Then there was a concert where Jan and Dean (again, Look 'em up) were caught cause the tape machine broke. They started crying, and the audience stood up and clapped and cheered for them. Gadz, just tragic.

Wasn't Kate just a bass player? I thought she never actually sung, and I thought I heard most of Pogues stuff.
What knocks me out is the voice of the woman they did a duet with on "Fairytale of New Your".

Ferguson · Post by **Ferguson** » Tue Oct 26, 2004 11:19 am

Kirsty MacColl

I loooooove that song.
And Worms.

Andronis · Post by **Andronis** » Tue Oct 26, 2004 1:05 pm

Any decent live performer who can still work without pitch correctors and a backup track is too smart to work in pop music.

Nyke · Post by **Nyke** » Tue Oct 26, 2004 1:07 pm

Andronis wrote:Any decent live performer who can still work without pitch correctors and a backup track is too smart to listen to pop music.

Corr-ect-ed Bi-otch!

Andronis · Post by **Andronis** » Tue Oct 26, 2004 1:07 pm

After all, I don't lipsynch, although I did take the CD audio and dub it over the DVD audio since the CD audio was better...

http://www.anivron.com/stuckinyourhead/firstlord.wmv Myself, singing "When I Was A Lad" from Gilbert & Sullivan's HMS Pinafore during the solo vignettes section of a choral concert last May.

Hopefully I'm a lot better of a singer now than I was then. Maybe I can win NATS this February.

Andronis · Post by **Andronis** » Tue Oct 26, 2004 1:14 pm

Obviously even if I were dumb enough and wanted to use all the accessories, my voice is too low to have any real hope of pop success. Can't be a sensation unless you're a tenor (or the pitch corrector makes you sound like one).

McDuffies · Post by **McDuffies** » Tue Oct 26, 2004 8:32 pm

Andronis wrote:Any decent live performer who can still work without pitch correctors and a backup track is too smart to work in pop music.

Depends on definition. Do you consider Cardigans pop music? Cause I do.

Warren · Post by **Warren** » Wed Oct 27, 2004 6:54 am

Lip-syncers!

Yeahduff · Post by **Yeahduff** » Thu Oct 28, 2004 12:24 am

Bah. Radiohead can be considered pop. Certainly have pop melodies, even on weird crap like "Pyramid Song."

As for Ashlee, I don't really see the big deal. It was embarrassing as hell and the Lucky article makes her a hypocrite, but it's not like the incident told us anything we didn't know. Top 40 pop singers lip sync their live performances all the time, particularly at promotional stops like SNL. Would anyone really be shocked to hear that Madonna or NSync lip sync? No. I mean, this girl in her first video as a pop princess wore a tank top with the word "Punk" emblazoned on her chest. It's not like she's been genuine up to this point. If you liked her vapid songs before, you should like them now.

Birdie · Post by **Birdie** » Thu Oct 28, 2004 6:29 am

mcDuffies wrote:
Andronis wrote:Any decent live performer who can still work without pitch correctors and a backup track is too smart to work in pop music.
Depends on definition. Do you consider Cardigans pop music? Cause I do.

Yeah there are many types of pop music. People just associate radio-friendly bands with being pop and they forget about other elements like underground pop punk, or the old british and american power-pop bands etc. I'm a big fan of pop music, even if I really dislike corporate radio. Of course I can't sing worth shit so maybe I don't count?

JPSloan · Post by **JPSloan** » Thu Oct 28, 2004 7:04 am

Ok, I feel the need to clear up some misinformation...

She wasn't lip-syncing, not in the Milli Vanilli sense. She was using a "backing track", which contains the full vocal track, but it isn't played at total volume. She was actually singing along with it. It's used to shore up a weak voice, particularly when an artist is ill, and the voice isn't strong. She wasn't moving her lips without making noise.

The problem was that she had acid reflux flareup that day, and the acid was tearing up her throat. Her dad (and manager) and vocal coach told her she had to use the backing track, despite her reluctance, for the very reason of what actually happened.

So, first of all, she wasn't faking. She was doing her level best to maintain her performance, and to preserve her voice.

The goofup was on the drummer, who had the backing track sampled on a module behind him. He had to key the track forward and start it with his "click track". Unfortunately, he didn't cue the second song forward, and it began to play the backing track for the previous song, which is why you can hear it echoing in the background.

So, technically, it was the drummer's fault, but it was an innocent screw up.

The goofy part was how she reacted (and this is where I stop defending her). First thing she did was flounder, and freeze on stage... a sign of amateurism. Then, she spun on her band, like the audience cares who's screwing up. Then, she did the "hoe down"... just one of those goofy things people do when they're caught by the short hairs and don't know what to do with themselves.

The part the bugs me is when Jude Law managed to single-handedly convince her to come back out on stage (classy guy, that one), and made a sweeping gesture and comment dismissing it. "What can I say, live TV." If Ashleeiegheeey just let it go there, it might not have exploded the way it did. Unfortunately, she was still in high embarrassment, and turned on her band... again. She apologized for this later, but geez. She really showed that she has a lot of chops to develop as a performer... and not just as a singer.

Ferguson · Post by **Ferguson** » Thu Oct 28, 2004 8:04 am

JPSloan wrote:blah blah blah

She's a hack. A pre-fabricated pop princess with nothing but good looks and a pretty voice. And neither of those are particularly good, but her sister gives her a bit more popularity. Assuming that the whole acid-reflux/backing track stuff is true (and I'm not sure about it), JPSloan picked the right time to stop defending her when she turned skank and tried to blame and deflect. This girl needs to be grateful for her time in the sun. She can't write a song, can't play an instrument and apparently can't dance either. I'm not sure what was worse, her hoe-down after the fiasco or her elementarty school sock hop dance in her first set.

Oh well, I'm not one to talk. I'm not really typing this. I copied and pasted it and now I'm just moving my fingers over the keyboard.

Warren · Post by **Warren** » Thu Oct 28, 2004 10:02 am

Fergie's exposed! Blame McDuffies!

Ratbert · Post by **Ratbert** » Thu Oct 28, 2004 10:42 am

JPSloan wrote:Ok, I feel the need to clear up some misinformation...

She wasn't lip-syncing, not in the Milli Vanilli sense. She was using a "backing track", which contains the full vocal track, but it isn't played at total volume. She was actually singing along with it. It's used to shore up a weak voice, particularly when an artist is ill, and the voice isn't strong. She wasn't moving her lips without making noise.

The problem was that she had acid reflux flareup that day, and the acid was tearing up her throat. Her dad (and manager) and vocal coach told her she had to use the backing track, despite her reluctance, for the very reason of what actually happened.

So, first of all, she wasn't faking. She was doing her level best to maintain her performance, and to preserve her voice.

The goofup was on the drummer, who had the backing track sampled on a module behind him. He had to key the track forward and start it with his "click track". Unfortunately, he didn't cue the second song forward, and it began to play the backing track for the previous song, which is why you can hear it echoing in the background.

So, technically, it was the drummer's fault, but it was an innocent screw up.

The goofy part was how she reacted (and this is where I stop defending her). First thing she did was flounder, and freeze on stage... a sign of amateurism. Then, she spun on her band, like the audience cares who's screwing up. Then, she did the "hoe down"... just one of those goofy things people do when they're caught by the short hairs and don't know what to do with themselves.

The part the bugs me is when Jude Law managed to single-handedly convince her to come back out on stage (classy guy, that one), and made a sweeping gesture and comment dismissing it. "What can I say, live TV." If Ashleeiegheeey just let it go there, it might not have exploded the way it did. Unfortunately, she was still in high embarrassment, and turned on her band... again. She apologized for this later, but geez. She really showed that she has a lot of chops to develop as a performer... and not just as a singer.

Absolutey false. Go to http://www.lipsync.us to see a guy who's actually got some facts on it. It was NOT the drummers fault.

Luprand · Post by **Luprand** » Thu Oct 28, 2004 11:10 am

Wow ... the war/election, Halo2/HalfLife2, and Ashlee Simpson, all debated with the same ferocity and fact-flinging. I love this site.

--Sij

Andronis · Post by **Andronis** » Thu Oct 28, 2004 11:25 am

Luprand wrote:Wow ... the war/election, Halo2/HalfLife2, and Ashlee Simpson, all debated with the same ferocity and fact-flinging. I love this site.

--Sij

Don't you just love sitting back and watching it all escalate while contributing, yet with non-specific or slightly tangential comments?

JPSloan · Post by **JPSloan** » Thu Oct 28, 2004 11:41 am

I take back everything I've ever said. Ever.

Feel free to hate at will.

Xmung · Post by **Xmung** » Thu Oct 28, 2004 1:45 pm

the original linked to page is gone now.... waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah - i didn't get to see her make an ass of herself......

McDuffies · Post by **McDuffies** » Thu Oct 28, 2004 2:08 pm

JPSloan wrote:(and this is where I stop defending her).

You know when I stopped defending her?
The moment she said "Oooh, my sister is a singer! I wanna be singer too!"