So who is Spot gonna steal next?

Faub · Post by **Faub** » Sun Aug 01, 2004 10:08 pm

Van Douchebag wrote:- I'm a big fat loudmouth

That's pretty much it.

Actually, I don't think that would stop them from spotting you. Your comic is very new, though. Even if you do have a large following I would be very surprised if they spotted WH was one year old.

McDuffies wrote:...

Inconsisten artwork, check.
Three years....nope, 1 year 10 months to go.
Popular?...page 3 consistently for many months now. They only look at page 1, though.
Black & White, check.
College-based...nope, but there's a college about 3 miles south. There WILL be a bit of highschool, though.

I'd say that makes me about 81.25% unspottable.

X space coyote X · Post by **X space coyote X** » Sun Aug 01, 2004 10:17 pm

- space coyotes belong in space.

Van Douchebag · Post by **Van Douchebag** » Sun Aug 01, 2004 10:21 pm

faub wrote: Actually, I don't think that would stop them from spotting you. Your comic is very new, though. Even if you do have a large following I would be very surprised if they spotted WH was one year old.

Yeah, plus that Comixpedia article is bound help

Phalanx · Post by **Phalanx** » Sun Aug 01, 2004 10:37 pm

faub wrote:Actually, I don't think that would stop them from spotting you. Your comic is very new, though. Even if you do have a large following I would be very surprised if they spotted WH was one year old.

Eh... what? *puzzled*

I think Van has a very good chance of being spotted. I just wish he wouldn't pick fights with the Spotters so much though, because I suspect the Fab Four are less likely to Spot someone who might create disruption in their ranks. Not only might it contribute to the splitting up of a company, but it might also discourage potential new artists from joining because they don't like some of the people already on the roster. (If I'm not mistaken, this fact contributed to Space Coyote turning down Keen. Please correct me if I'm wrong on this one).

Back then, there weren't that many webcomickers, so I think Keen couldn't afford to pick and choose too much based on the level of professionalism of the comic creators. But now it's different. There are just a lot more toothin good webcomics out there then there used to be that turning down one disruptive but talented artist in favour of a less talented but easier-to-work-with-one is not that big a deal.

Frankly I don't think that the one year mark is going to be as important as it used to be anymore. The competition is getting fiercer and fiercer now that webcomics are becoming more and more of a serious businesses.

CYS started in June 2003, It moved to Keenspot by May 2004: Less than a year.

I started on March 30th 2003 and got Smashed (yes I know how funny that sounds) on February 2004. Less than a year again.

I'm pretty sure Edge the DevilKnight wasn't one year old before it got Smashed too...

And there are other comics I know that got offers but who turned them down. They too hadn't reached their 1 year mark either.

With all the new collectives and subscription sites cropping up (Keen, MT, PV Comics, and that other one I can't remember the name of) it's becoming more of a race to find the best comics out there and get them into your group before the other teams do.

Mark my words, when the new WebComicsNation comes up, the competition is going to be even stronger as the ambitious few start up their own Keenspot-esque sites.

Come then, waiting one year might end up being waiting too long.

Joel Fagin · Post by **Joel Fagin** » Sun Aug 01, 2004 10:57 pm

Smash is always pretty quick off the mark but I think CYS being spotted so quickly was an exceptional circumstance. Or maybe just the first if Spot has decided to act faster.

- Joel Fagin

Not damonk · Post by **Not damonk** » Sun Aug 01, 2004 11:02 pm

hey, I never asked to be spotted, but it happened. I have not been updating very often in the last two years, but it happened. I don't schmooze with anyone, but it happened. I'm certainly not popular by ANY means, but it happened.

I didn't think it was a huge deal when it happened, but it happened.

Guys and gals, all that should matter is that you're drawing a comic. anything else is gravy.

Mmm.... gravy.

William G · Post by **William G** » Mon Aug 02, 2004 1:13 am

Okay, fine. I take it back. White Hydra isnt just a PA derivative.

Phact0rri · Post by **Phact0rri** » Mon Aug 02, 2004 2:44 am

why decypher would never be spotted.

-bad art
-No popularity
- in-jokes
-said jokes arn't really that funny
- heavy on the subculture
- updates once a week
- did I mention bad art?

BoxJam · Post by **BoxJam** » Mon Aug 02, 2004 10:57 am

STrRedWolf wrote:I'm going to be kinda sneaky here, since Kisai and I are representing all of you on the 'Spot "Members" forum. Some inside info, if you will, but not much...
...Second -- For this quarter, the smallest "check" cut was $5.27. The largest was $742. Neither Chris nor Gav got ether the largest or smallest. The only problem, is that funds are dispersed quarterly.

It goes without saying that this should not have been posted, but since it has, I may as well point out that the information is inaccurate. These numbers are roughly accurate for the artists who allow their earnings posted within the Keenspot community - some Keenspot artists choose to keep their earnings confidential.

And now I can see why.

Terotrous · Post by **Terotrous** » Mon Aug 02, 2004 11:40 am

BoxJam wrote:
STrRedWolf wrote:I'm going to be kinda sneaky here, since Kisai and I are representing all of you on the 'Spot "Members" forum. Some inside info, if you will, but not much...
...Second -- For this quarter, the smallest "check" cut was $5.27. The largest was $742. Neither Chris nor Gav got ether the largest or smallest. The only problem, is that funds are dispersed quarterly.
It goes without saying that this should not have been posted, but since it has, I may as well point out that the information is inaccurate. These numbers are roughly accurate for the artists who allow their earnings posted within the Keenspot community - some Keenspot artists choose to keep their earnings confidential.

And now I can see why.

If they allow the figures to be posted, I doubt they'd be particularly upset.
Besides, we're all members of the Keen family here. It's not like this information suddenly became "publically available"

BoxJam · Post by **BoxJam** » Mon Aug 02, 2004 11:54 am

I can see the confusion.

When I said 'posted within the Keenspot community,' I meant posted only for consumption of artists on Keenspot. And not even all Keenspotters allow that.

Yes, we're all members of the Keen family here, but it is exactly like this information suddenly became publicly available.

RPin · Post by **RPin** » Mon Aug 02, 2004 12:17 pm

I HATE to come here to defend Stredwolf, Boxjam, and I put emphasis on the hate, but I feel you're not being completely fair.

Messages posted on forums and mailing lists are granted an implicit copyright license to copy and reproduction unless the author of said message clearly states that the message shall not be taken out of it's context.

If you guys were posting around your figures on something public like the keenspot forums, then you have no right to come here and complain to him about showing the same figures to us. But, if it was said on a chatroom or you guys made it clear that those numbers would be prejudicial if taken to other people outside the spot loop, then I can understand you coming here to scold him.

GOD KNOWS Mr. Stredwolf has a historic of doing stupid things without asking for persmission were it's due, and deep down I hope this is just one of those times, I love seeing him being chewed by Spotters. But I honestly don't believe he's wrong this time.

BoxJam · Post by **BoxJam** » Mon Aug 02, 2004 12:26 pm

I'm not sitting around constantly refreshing this thread until somebody posts; I'm getting e-mails when I get responses.

Anyway. Nobody's talking about copyright violations. We're not suing him for plagiarism.

I'm talking about poor judgment in once case. I like STRedWolf, and I think he does a helluva lot of work and is underappreciated. I might not have even posted anything - what drove me to post is that a lot of inaccurate conclusions have been drawn in these several pages since STRedwolf posted inaccurate information.

FWIW, the figures were not posted anywhere public.

RPin · Post by **RPin** » Mon Aug 02, 2004 12:31 pm

BoxJam wrote:FWIW, the figures were not posted anywhere public.

Oh well...

Alun Clewe · Post by **Alun Clewe** » Mon Aug 02, 2004 1:49 pm

RPin wrote:If you guys were posting around your figures on something public like the keenspot forums, then you have no right to come here and complain to him about showing the same figures to us.

I think there's some confusion here about where those figures were originally posted. If I understand the situation correctly, they were originally posted in the Keenspot Members Forum - a special forum that is only visible to members of Keenspot, that is, to cartoonists with comics on Keenspot. Not in the general Keenspot Forum, which is visible to all and sundry. The Keenspot Members Forum is not "something public"; it's a private forum that only the Keenspot cartoonists themselves (plus, apparently, a handful of "guests" like Kisai and STrRedWolf) can see.

So I can see Boxjam's point. The fact that some Keenspotters posted their earnings in a place their fellow Keenspotters - and only their fellow Keenspotters (well, plus Kisai and STrRedWolf) - could see them does not mean they would necessarily be okay with those figures being disseminated to the public. Letting their fellow Keenspotters know how much they earned is one thing; letting everyone know how much they earned may be another matter altogether.

RPin · Post by **RPin** » Mon Aug 02, 2004 3:12 pm

Boxjam already explained that to me.

If the forum was private, then it was implied that whatever conversation going there should not be brought up to public.

K-Dawg · Post by **K-Dawg** » Mon Aug 02, 2004 3:33 pm

Why Angry D. Monkey won't be spotted:

-art isn't up to par
-colouring isn't done very well
-too new a comic
-not popular
-umm it has monkeys!

Asarea · Post by **Asarea** » Mon Aug 02, 2004 3:39 pm

Mhh the top ten reasons why N&D never will be spotted:

- it's black and white & greyscale, not colored. people want color ...
- not very popular or known. look at VD's readership and you know what I mean *grin*
- only two updates per week, and there won't be more. it takes several hours to draw, ink, color and letter every page and as everybody here I have a life aside from comics ^^
- N&D is not funny. sarcasm and irony are there, discussions too, but no jokes, funny gags or something like that. it would kill the mood of the story if I change to 'funny-mode'
- N&D has no 'cute' characters or focuses on romances between the characters. cuteness or romance or both seems to be quite important for many spotted comics
- N&D focuses on a serious, dark storyplot, and it's not the stuff you're reading easy in two hours...
- artist is not very known and I just don't have the time to whore out links, art and advertisements in other communities - well, I mostly don't know them *g*

.... as you see: we're all happy 'spacers and we will stay to be that

Soap Soaperson · Post by **Soap Soaperson** » Mon Aug 02, 2004 4:22 pm

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JexKerome · Post by **JexKerome** » Mon Aug 02, 2004 5:38 pm

If Deity Permit sucks, what does that say about Teo & Sara?!