Doodles 11: Actual doodles also accepted.

[Phalanx]

It's a very very slight difference, but apparently it makes a lot of difference. If you put it slightly back, it looks as though one leg is longer than the other, which is probably what set off most people's "something is wrong" warning bells.

In a loose sketchy kind of art style, most people probably wouldn't notice it at all, but because Van's stuff is so crisp, it tends to pop out more.

Your explanation and edit make sense (Although it kinda points out I'd also have to redraw the stance for the equilibrium point). I'm not used to drawing on Wacom quite yet, and I probably screwed myself up trying to keep my equilibrium point like seen in your edit.

*shrugs* It happens. We all screw up anatomy from time to time. I know I do

I think the main flaw with the use of the equilibrium point in this case is that the 3D aspect was forgotten. If she's leaning back her leg should be slightly forward to compensate the balance.

Or to use geometry terms, Your X plane and Y plane is in equilibrium, but your Z plane is not.

Say, what Wacom tablet did you get? I just got my hands on an Intuos 4 Medium. After my old Graphire 2 that thing is like WOW I AM IN LOVE.

Well except for the nib wear, but no one's perfect.

[Phalanx]

It's kind of crappy, but felt good to oekaki again after a year.

Nice one Pin! Loving the use of the red lines and bubbly effects.

[RPin]

Heya Ping.

I just now realized Guildmaster Van is the old Van Douchebag...

[Guildmaster Van]

I think the main flaw with the use of the equilibrium point in this case is that the 3D aspect was forgotten. If she's leaning back her leg should be slightly forward to compensate the balance.

The photo is confusing you as to what I intended to draw I think. She's supposed to be tilted sideways with her extended leg touching the ground slightly behind where her other foot touches. Like I said, if I were to make it match the equilibrium points you suggested I would end up redrawing the whole torso. It doesn't help I've actually rotated her clockwise after she was finished so were legs were more or less level.

Say, what Wacom tablet did you get? I just got my hands on an Intuos 4 Medium. After my old Graphire 2 that thing is like WOW I AM IN LOVE.

It's an Intuos 4 as well - I've had it for a little over a month now, but my girlfriend spent the first week and a half using it because we were using traditional techniques in class. I'm still trying to draw as naturally with it on the computer as I do on paper because my more complicated figures aren't done justice as well as simplified characters.

I just now realized Guildmaster Van is the old Van Douchebag...

Kelly won't unban Van Douchebag despite allowing me to reregister.
Ah, internets.

PS TITTIES (Another quickie done last night)

[RPin]

The photo is confusing you as to what I intended to draw I think. She's supposed to be tilted sideways with her extended leg touching the ground slightly behind where her other foot touches. Like I said, if I were to make it match the equilibrium points you suggested I would end up redrawing the whole torso. It doesn't help I've actually rotated her clockwise after she was finished so were legs were more or less level.

I get that you're going for a flat 2D look. Perhaps if you didn't shade it wouldn't look as weird.

The knees and toes should still face the same direction, though.

[Phalanx]

I think the main flaw with the use of the equilibrium point in this case is that the 3D aspect was forgotten. If she's leaning back her leg should be slightly forward to compensate the balance.

The photo is confusing you as to what I intended to draw I think. She's supposed to be tilted sideways with her extended leg touching the ground slightly behind where her other foot touches. Like I said, if I were to make it match the equilibrium points you suggested I would end up redrawing the whole torso. It doesn't help I've actually rotated her clockwise after she was finished so were legs were more or less level.

Hm in that case then you've got more of a problem than just the legs. from where the thighs connect to the groin, it looks as though the extended leg is in front.

And yeah, the thing about the way the toes facing... I tried that same position... if the toes are facing out on the extended leg, the leg with the weight on it will have to bend to maintain balance.

And if they face out, it's an extremely strained position. Won't be able to hold for more than a few seconds.

[Komiyan]

But seriously, fuck anatomy. Style is much more important for cartoonists. The best cartoons all have anatomically incorrect characters.
ITT I act like I'm the John K of Webcomics

Oh don't act like an idiot, I know you're not one. Those cartoonists have studied the shit out of anatomy so they know how to distort it. When it looks wrong it looks wrong. This is why Ping's redlined versions of the feet look better.

Draw a woman with a woman sized nose, I double dare you! BULBOUS BULBOUS ALL NOSES MUST BE BULBOUS
Ha ha ha, nahhhhhhhh, I'm just playing with you too.

lol objectification is just a big laugh really

[RPin]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v418/RPin/0143.jpg

All the talk about nipples made me want to try drawing some... Mildly nsfw.

[BionicDance]

My real talents lie in 3D CGI...but I have a FEW hand-drawn images I've made over the years, I guess...some sketches.



I know, I know...don't give up my day job; as a sketch artist, I'm perfect for radio.

[Robin Pierce]

I think the main flaw with the use of the equilibrium point in this case is that the 3D aspect was forgotten. If she's leaning back her leg should be slightly forward to compensate the balance.

The photo is confusing you as to what I intended to draw I think. She's supposed to be tilted sideways with her extended leg touching the ground slightly behind where her other foot touches. Like I said, if I were to make it match the equilibrium points you suggested I would end up redrawing the whole torso. It doesn't help I've actually rotated her clockwise after she was finished so were legs were more or less level.

Fine, but that's not what you actually drew. Go ahead and pick at my art, I'm not going to defend it with 'it's my style and it's RIGHT dammit'. I recognize I can stand to improve. Do you? Because in my book, the minute you think you can't improve anymore, you stop being anyone worth calling an artist.

[Guildmaster Van]

Won't be able to hold for more than a few seconds.

Me and my girlfriend have no problem doing it by just standing up on our tip toes - this position is easy to maintain on high heels. The pictures you posted show me you didn't understand anything I said. Try doing the pose for yourself in a mirror or get someone to do it in front of you - seriously - then you might understand how I drew the picture because your drawings don't match what I'm seeing physically from the angle I'm looking at the figure. You keep trying to lower the perspective point lower than it actually is.

Those cartoonists have studied the shit out of anatomy so they know how to distort it.

>John K

HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Let's forget for a second all his art is anatomically incorrect 99% of the time....

Go ahead and pick at my art, I'm not going to defend it with 'it's my style and it's RIGHT dammit'. I recognize I can stand to improve. Do you? Because in my book, the minute you think you can't improve anymore, you stop being anyone worth calling an artist.

>implying defending something drawn from a position the artist is asserting they have physically done means the artist believes they can't improve

Meant to be insulting I'm sure, but whenever someone tries to define what is and is not an artist it just tends to make me laugh. In this case, that was something of a hugbox response.

[Killbert-Robby]

Those cartoonists have studied the shit out of anatomy so they know how to distort it.

>John K

HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Let's forget for a second all his art is anatomically incorrect 99% of the time....

Lets forget for a second that she was talking about the fact that there's a fairly large line between "That is wrong and looks bad" and "I dont even care because the whole character holds together so well"

[Komiyan]

Those cartoonists have studied the shit out of anatomy so they know how to distort it.

>John K

HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Let's forget for a second all his art is anatomically incorrect 99% of the time....

Dude. Come on. There's a reason life drawing is a backbone of animation (yes, even the shit John K does!). Think and maybe do a bit more research before you carry on playing up this hurr I'm such a jerk persona.

[Guildmaster Van]

Talking about life drawing to a guy who is obviously using his camera to photograph his fiance is like talking to the military about these newfangled things called guns

I'm right. You guys aren't - you couldn't even decide what was wrong with the picture at first. It's that simple
I'd maybe believe you were it not for the fact I have physically seen and stood in this position, but really there's no way to convince me otherwise. Think before you piss in an ocean of piss.

but you HAVEN'T. What your character is doing is not what the photo is doing. Your picture makes it look like the character has her legs turned flatly out at ninety degree angles to the side - like a ballet dancer in first position with far too much turnout who would fall over if you nudged them gently from the front or the back.
Your girlfriend is not doing that in that photo.

[Spaceprincess]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v418/RPin/0143.jpg

All the talk about nipples made me want to try drawing some... Mildly nsfw.

very cute! She is correct smaller is better!

My real talents lie in 3D CGI...but I have a FEW hand-drawn images I've made over the years, I guess...some sketches.



I know, I know...don't give up my day job; as a sketch artist, I'm perfect for radio.

that's pretty good, your anatomy is on except the left breast should be slightly higher, when one raises an arm like that it pull the chest muscles up with it.

[Tynan]

You can take the douchebag outta the van but you can't take the van outta the doucebag.

Your art style always seems to change/degrade when you reappear Van outta practice or are you trying a different style?

[Mvmarcz]

oh my god Van shut UP

"Style" is not a valid argument.

Anyone who had ANY schooling of any form for any art has had at least 15 minutes of life drawing.

A simple, "thanks for the advice but I like it the way it is" would have done FINE

If you don't want the crit don't post it on an art related forum.


I'm not trying to be a bitch but seriously this is a thread for posting pictures, not bitching about one persons inflexibility.

And go ahead and post a picture of mine ripping into me, I don't care. Hell I'll do it for you!
http://i334.photobucket.com/albums/m425 ... ll-mv1.jpg OH MY GOD HER BODY HAS BEEN CUT IN HALF UNDER ALL THAT MONEY!(seriously Komi I owe you better art)
I don't look back at old mistakes, I know my anatomy needs work, and as long as I'm satisfied with something I don't care what the internet thinks about "where I put the feet." You aren't so much a douche as you are someone who doesn't take constructive crit gracefully.

[RPin]

>implying defending something drawn from a position the artist is asserting they have physically done means the artist believes they can't improve

What is this now? 4chan?

[Mercury Hat]

Amateur aviators sure are good at building stuff, but they aren't good at taking photos.

[Ahaugen]

>implying defending something drawn from a position the artist is asserting they have physically done means the artist believes they can't improve

What is this now? 4chan?

and thus, it begins again