How long did you wait to "pimp" your comic?

[Necrospawn0]

lol... a month and a half later, and I still haven't yet... but it should be ready soon... #95 is done... and 96-100 are in the works as I speak... Also, just emerged from an extended writer's block, so I'm really happy

I shall spam advertise one month from today!
BWAHAHAHAHA

[Alias Pseudonym]

Well, I posted for feedback pretty early and as a result of that I have a better format and font for the comic early on. Originally I wasn't going to show anyone it before the first arc finished, but I decided to do the feedback thing instead. I'm not actively looking for readers yet, though.

[PLR]

Just to add, I think the arbitrary limit some forums impose is just that arbitrary.

If someone invests 5 hours per page compared to someone elses 1 hour per page, why should someone wait 5 times as long to ask for feedback.
As well the sooner feedback is provided the sooner the creator can implement changes.

For instance if someone waits until they are 50 comics in to find out the majority of people have a hard time reading a font used, will they go back and change that font in all the past pages or just have an arbitrary change on page 51?

Obviously the more content people have to critic the easier it is, but some early constructive feedback might save a lot of time for people or help motivate people to continue on.
In a community that encourages new artists you think that would be the priority.

[RobboAKAscooby]

Just to add, I think the arbitrary limit some forums impose is just that arbitrary.

If someone invests 5 hours per page compared to someone elses 1 hour per page, why should someone wait 5 times as long to ask for feedback.
As well the sooner feedback is provided the sooner the creator can implement changes.

For instance if someone waits until they are 50 comics in to find out the majority of people have a hard time reading a font used, will they go back and change that font in all the past pages or just have an arbitrary change on page 51?

Obviously the more content people have to critic the easier it is, but some early constructive feedback might save a lot of time for people or help motivate people to continue on.
In a community that encourages new artists you think that would be the priority.

I think that the limit is there more as a test of dedication. There are far too many comics abandoned after a handful of updates.

Also I think your 5hrs v 1hr comparison is a little flawed, if both people are posting once a week they're gonna wait the same amount of time.

But there's nothing wrong with asking for feedback/help on the technical stuff early on just check out the Help / Tips, Tricks & T...? (I forget) forums for plenty of examples of people doing that, it's a different type of feedback than the "isn't my comic just teh GR8TeST comic EVAR!!" that people often fish for.

[PLR]

I think that the limit is there more as a test of dedication. There are far too many comics abandoned after a handful of updates.

Also I think your 5hrs v 1hr comparison is a little flawed, if both people are posting once a week they're gonna wait the same amount of time.

Fair enough, I can see how the dedication is a valuable aspect. But the flip to that is if someone isn't getting feedback it's not encouraging to continue...

I think the time commitment is a big issue. The person that does a 1 hour comic can post every day compared to the 5 hour comic which may be only once or twice a week.

[BionicDance]

I'm still waiting for approval for mine...
So there'z nuffin' to pimp. Yet.

BUT, before i even registered here, before I really did anything else, I promised myself I'd have 30 pages completed, done, finished, before I even tried to put the comic up at all. Which I finally managed about three days ago.

So...that's, like, kinna like humble restraint in a way, innit?
Granted, I did it for me, so I'd have a buffer in case I hit a rough patch or writer's block or sumfin', but still...

[Necrospawn0]

Fair enough, I can see how the dedication is a valuable aspect. But the flip to that is if someone isn't getting feedback it's not encouraging to continue...

very true... its a little disheartening when you get zero feedback, and you only know for certain that two or three people read your comics

In my own experience though, my favorite part of discovering a webcomic for the first time is the two or three days it takes to go through the entire archives

[VeryCuddlyCornpone]

very true... its a little disheartening when you get zero feedback, and you only know for certain that two or three people read your comics

In my own experience though, my favorite part of discovering a webcomic for the first time is the two or three days it takes to go through the entire archives

Agreed. The evening I spent reading the whole 8 to 1 archive was well spent, as was the week I was supposed to be studying for finals where I read all of Reckless Youth... I'm good at that, at just sitting there and not really contributing to society while feeding off of the bounty of others.

I guess I have a question for all y'all that have been here longer, how long did it take for people to start getting into your comic? After the first year? More? Less?

I've only had my site in any presentable shape (which is not very) for a few months now. Obviously I'm not expecting to have people knocking down my door to drool over the sketchpads I've touched (now or ever really, hah), but when do things pick up? I plan on fixing up a lot of things for season two- clearing up the site layout, making the additional pages more pretty, becoming less inept at incorporating the computer into the work, but I came to the realization that even with any sparkle and shine I might add, I kind of painted myself into a corner, niche-wise. No vampires, no manga, no ninjas, no video game sitting on the couch talking to each other... dang, I'ma need more than just pimping to get this thing anywhere, I'm gonna need like, a pimping nuclear missile of hypnotic vapors.

[RobboAKAscooby]

I kind of painted myself into a corner, niche-wise. No vampires, no manga, no ninjas, no video game sitting on the couch talking to each other...

I share your pain dudette

[VeryCuddlyCornpone]

I kind of painted myself into a corner, niche-wise. No vampires, no manga, no ninjas, no video game sitting on the couch talking to each other...

I share your pain dudette

Aye Robbo, but you at least supply fanservice, which I don't have a place for... yet.

[RobboAKAscooby]

Aye Robbo, but you at least supply fanservice, which I don't have a place for... yet.

Now there's an advertising line:

Sh!t Happens - At least it supplies fan-service

[Alias Pseudonym]

You could try zombies. I can think of very few situations where you couldn't just have a bunch of zombies come out of nowhere and attack everyone.

That is in fact essentially my plan for the second arc of my comic. One new character to introduce and scores and scores of zombies.

[VeryCuddlyCornpone]

SOMEONE CREATE A ZOMBIE FANSERVICE COMIC RIGHT NOW


except that would be disgusting, everyone's fanservicey parts all rotting and falling off... Well, someone out there would probably get off on it.

[NinjaNezumi]

Just to add, I think the arbitrary limit some forums impose is just that arbitrary.

If someone invests 5 hours per page compared to someone elses 1 hour per page, why should someone wait 5 times as long to ask for feedback.
As well the sooner feedback is provided the sooner the creator can implement changes.

For instance if someone waits until they are 50 comics in to find out the majority of people have a hard time reading a font used, will they go back and change that font in all the past pages or just have an arbitrary change on page 51?

Obviously the more content people have to critic the easier it is, but some early constructive feedback might save a lot of time for people or help motivate people to continue on.
In a community that encourages new artists you think that would be the priority.

I think that the limit is there more as a test of dedication. There are far too many comics abandoned after a handful of updates.

Also I think your 5hrs v 1hr comparison is a little flawed, if both people are posting once a week they're gonna wait the same amount of time.

But there's nothing wrong with asking for feedback/help on the technical stuff early on just check out the Help / Tips, Tricks & T...? (I forget) forums for plenty of examples of people doing that, it's a different type of feedback than the "isn't my comic just teh GR8TeST comic EVAR!!" that people often fish for.

The problem is that some arbitrary requirements set too high for some comics. A comic that updates bi-weekly or monthly gets screwed up where the sun doesn't shine if the requirements are set up to something like 20 comics. It's pretty ridiculous.

Instead of arbitrary comic content it should be set at time content i.e. how long you've been working on your site. Anyone who has had 6 months - 1 year of dedicated work on their site should be considered as someone who's dedicated enough to continue their comic.

[Alias Pseudonym]

One year and less than 20 updates actually sounds less than promising to me. Your comics had better be either gigantic or brilliant in that case, or else I think you might be going a wee bit slow. Although I will say that if you're doing one of those comics that throws one or three panels and three paragraphs of text at me and calls it a page, well... stop doing that. It makes me stop reading.

[Pimpette]

I don't know about you but it's hard for me to get interested in a comic that only has three pages up.

[NinjaNezumi]

I don't know about you but it's hard for me to get interested in a comic that only has three pages up.

So don't get interested, I really don't care. Some people are interested because my comic is 1/100th of the panada universe.

There are a lot of dedicated people who cannot do more than once or twice a month simply because there are other aspects of work that they have to do. It doesn't mean they aren't dedicated, and quite frankly, it's insulting for someone to say: "I don't care if you've been on your comic for a full year I don't think your dedicated because you don't have 20+ pages up on the site."

As far as I go, I've been making some big changes to how my comic works so one page takes me about 2 days to put up (drawing and audio takes a bit of time), which is why I havent' posted pages 6 and 7 yet.

I've seen a lot of comics which update daily that are a waste of bandwidth and space. They've got plots which go nowhere, and art where hands are drawn on the wrong arms, and necks that look like they've got a tumor bulging out from under their jaws. If it comes to a choice between that or a comic that updates 1-2 times a month, I'll choose the comic that updates 1-2 times a month any day.

[PLR]

Although I will say that if you're doing one of those comics that throws one or three panels and three paragraphs of text at me and calls it a page, well... stop doing that. It makes me stop reading.

So you get to define what a page is?

Far enough if you like or dislike certain formats but who are you to say what is appropriate for a "page". It's very tricky to tell a story with three panels per update, especially one that will take time and have to bring people back to read it.

[Killbert-Robby]

Although I will say that if you're doing one of those comics that throws one or three panels and three paragraphs of text at me and calls it a page, well... stop doing that. It makes me stop reading.

So you get to define what a page is?

Far enough if you like or dislike certain formats but who are you to say what is appropriate for a "page". It's very tricky to tell a story with three panels per update, especially one that will take time and have to bring people back to read it.

Bollocks. If three panels isn't enough, throw in a couple more. But if people wanted to read a compelling story that was nothing but walls of text, they'd pick up a book. Yes I'm going to slap great big judgments on comics. Because, as far as I'm concerned, using a comic means communicating as much as possible through the IMAGE, not the text. Because a comic is images, plain and simple. Many don't use words at all. But huge stacks of words with a couple of images hidden underneath, thats an illustrated book.

As for the 20 images limit, go check how many comics are on CG. There's a LOT. You expect CG to hire a bunch of people to check in on websites on their 1 year birthday to make sure they're working hard enough to get a forum or whatever? The 20 limit makes sure there's enough pages that people actually have something to read, shows plenty of effort and commitment, and instead of hooking some poor bastard with the toothgritting job of reading a bunch of pages from some comic (Because good lord, free, automated comic hosting site, oh the shit he'd have to read), someone can just check, yup, 20 pages, here's your funcard

Anyway, I don't know about you, but if someone isn't capable of fitting 20 updates into one year, it means they never freaking update, and while you may be busy being a self publishing CEO (*snrk*), the general public has a hard time with once-weekly comics. If you have a comic that doesn't update once in over two weeks, people are going to go on and forget about it.

And lastly, if your project is just so epic, and you really have a structured schedule that you've adhered to, you'll find that you're dealing with real people here, and a little politeness and civility goes a long way. A simple "This is my situation, can you help me with X" goes a long way.


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And lastly, Ninja, CG gives EVERYONE a fair chance. Every guy out there who thinks, hey, I'd like to start a comic and see where it goes. I think YOU, are quite possibly the LAST person in here who should be calling people a waste of bandwidth based on artistic or linguistic skill
http://thelibrary.comicgenesis.com/nzmi ... age_01.htm
Because if a poorly drawn comic is a waste of bandwidth, what the hell is a book on a comic hosting site?

[Robin Pierce]

YOU PEOPLE, oh my GOD!

Ninja - the 20 comic limit is there to make sure people have comics to read. This is the rule that works for the vast majority of COMICS on CG, and it's never been problematic before. I highly doubt we're going to change it now.

Robby - I've been keeping an eye on how you've been posting - particularly in response to Ninja - and I'm having some issues with it. Reign in your tongue a bit, because you're going from thread to thread and coming very close to trolling. Those times that you aren't, you're back-seat modding, and we've got a bit in the rules about that. Ie. don't.

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Because if a poorly drawn comic is a waste of bandwidth, what the hell is a book on a comic hosting site?

A borderline situation that's technically not even supposed to be there. BUT it's not really your call to call someone out on that, while being borderline insulting. Cool your jets.