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Hey, I kinda started my comic, Super Prolific Cocaine-Laced Late Night Sex-O-Rama. Well, actually, I just started the prelude to it, Stitch/Suture, and have four parts of it up. What I'd like is for you to all check it out and give me comments, because not many people have stated any kind of opinion on my art, style, and writing and I'd like some feedback. Also, comments on my web design would also be quite useful. So please... tell me what you think! I need to know what to improve or not to improve in Sex-O-Rama. :) True, I am about 20 strips into the thing (I'm building up a backlog of stuff so I wont have to have as much pressure on me) but I'm still making a lot more. :> So, again, feedback is good. Thanks much!<P>------------------
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you know i can't possiblly follow up E's comment.
my only quip is maybe a mouseover on the back and first comics.. or even very small text below the icons so idiot readers know what's "Back a day" and "First comic"
And trust me, I worked for an ISP.. there are ALOT of potential idiot readers out there.

Sometimes I've been tempted to do my page up in a style of "Here idiots.. put your mouse over this button and PUSH the mouse button two times...."
But then the drugs kick in and I see pretty stars again..<P>That's it. I'm going back to bed
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ginrai:
<B>Don't be upset, but I have utterly no clue who Edward Gorey is. <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspace.com/forums/smile.gif"> I have a feeling it probably has to do with the origin of the word 'gorey', as commonly used in description of b-grade horror, no?</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Actually, that's just an interesting coincidence. Edward Gorey was an illustrator. His books tended to be fairly dark. If you've ever seen "Mystery!" on PBS, the opening animation is based on Gorey's drawings. His books include "The Gashlycrumb Tinies" and "The Beastly Baby". He was a major influence on Tim Burton's visual sense.<P>BTW, I like your taste in books and movies.<P>------------------
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ginrai:
<B> If you don't mind some constructive criticism, I'd like to say that it may be overly esoteric. So much so, that getting a following may be difficult.</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>From the "Top 100" and "Top 99" lists, I'd say 5 is doing just fine getting a following -- in a very short time, I might add.
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by gwalla:
<B> Actually, that's just an interesting coincidence. Edward Gorey was an illustrator. His books tended to be fairly dark. If you've ever seen "Mystery!" on PBS, the opening animation is based on Gorey's drawings. <P></B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Oooooh! I got it now. :> Funny coincidence, that. Hmmm. And yes, definitely have seen Mystery. :)<P><B> <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR><P>His books include "The Gashlycrumb Tinies" and "The Beastly Baby". He was a major influence on Tim Burton's visual sense.<P></B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Ah! That makes a load of sense. Interesting...<P><B> <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR><P>BTW, I like your taste in books and movies.<P></B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Heh, heh, thanks. :) Oh! I just thought of another major influence on me: music. One of my favorite bands is Skinny Puppy. (I'm also into many of SP's relatives, Download, Front Line Assembly, Tear Garden, Rx, etc.) Dunno if that has any meaning for ya, but just thought I'd toss that out there.<P>------------------
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PDI:
<B> From the "Top 100" and "Top 99" lists, I'd say 5 is doing just fine getting a following -- in a very short time, I might add.
</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Eh, shows what I know. ;) Although I have to admit that I have very little faith in Top 100 and Top 99 lists.<P>------------------
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by e:
<B>i quote edward gorey as one of the fundamental influences on my comic, but i think that you parallel the feel of his world far more closely than i. <P></B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Don't be upset, but I have utterly no clue who Edward Gorey is. :) I have a feeling it probably has to do with the origin of the word 'gorey', as commonly used in description of b-grade horror, no?<P><B> <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR><P>whether or not you have read gorey there is an intense likeness to not only his artistic style, but to his terse and macabre writing as well. <P></B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Well, as to the writing, that's a bit how I tend to do my poetry when I have a mind to write it, or more often, lyrics to my songs. (I'm a band, of course.)<P><B> <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR><P>i tend to have a real problem with people who draw in black and white, and then add color to some portion in order to call the reader's attention to it. it's usually overdone, and often arbitrary and annoying visually. i most especially hate that technique when it's used in photography. you, however, seem to have used it in a calculated and proper fashion. <P></B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Heh, heh, get this: I started scribbling the first strip in black ink. Then I ran out of black ink. Then I went looking for ink and the first catridge I found was red. "I went... ooo... red... blood... that'd be good" and slapped it on. After I finished with the red I decided I had no desire to seek out more ink. Typically I draw entirely in black ink. I don't even pencil it first most of the time (laziness, I'd guess) and then give it to my coloring slave and let her color it. With Stitch/Suture, well... Let me be honest. My color slave got sick, and I got tired of drawing my comics in black and white and not getting to see them in color for a god awful long time. (Ooo... that reminds me to go check if she's got any more ready for me!) That combined with an extremely annoying day provided inspiration for a prelude comic that I could do as I felt necessary until the actual strip started. I've always drawn skeletons for some reason... they've been an interesting subject to me ever since I was like 5. I remember staring at skeletons in an encyclopedia. Skulls and skeletons are one of the few things I can draw realistically (along with leaves and trees, oddly.) <P><B> <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR><P>your style, insofar as this cartoon is concerned, is loose and bordering on unfinished which i also tend to hate, because every ding-dong art student on the planet adopts that style at one point or another in their schooling. again, however, it fits the context of the comic and adds to the feel. <P></B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>That idea behind that is not so much unfinished but rough... raw... like splintered wood. Sharp and such. The borders of the comic are intended to sort of remind you of old wooden fences falling into disrepair and claw marks at once. I don't consider myself an art student, incidently. I guess I'm an artist... it all sort of flows together. I think writing is most important to me, but photography is getting interesting as well. I'm probably more into music than I am into drawing, however... but I do all of these things.<P><B> <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR><P>there is room for improvement. certain panels - the one with the opening door where the nurse is entering, for instance - seem too vague, or too minimally defined. <P></B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Oh, I know. I didn't like those, but the nurse, well. Bleh. I didn't want to draw a nurse. She was essentially to the story but I didn't want to DRAW her. I could draw her nicely if I were using my cartoony style, but not in my semi-realistic style, so I just sort of scribbled her and moved on, because I really, really didn't want to draw her. :) Well, it's also that she's a far less interesting subject. Again, I did NOT want to draw her, but I needed her for the story. Oh, the reason her head isn't visible will become clear in a bit. I spent much more time drawing Johnny/Stitch, as he is the interesting one.<P><B> <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR><P>i feel that the scratchy, loose style of drawing that you've pursued in this comic is one of the most difficuly to pull off. it's quite difficult to make something look rough and loose without it looking like you just don't know how to draw. <P></B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Good, scratchy... I was trying to get that out. The narration and even the art is sort of through the eyes of Johnny/Stitch... sort of how would you feel if this was happening to you... Angry and hurt, are two words that come to mind. Thus the art, and the lettering, even, and the narration, I tried to make sound angry and hurt.<P><B> <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR><P>you're doing fine, i think, and if you don't plan to follow through with that style in your comic proper, then forget everything i just said.<P></B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Yes and no. :) Yes and no. As (I hope) will become clear, Sex-O-Rama (the main comic, as opposed to Stitch/Suture) is sort of a meeting point between my more realistic style (skeletons and trees) and my comic style, along with my "really strange angles and perspectives, often physically impossible" style. :) Stitch himself, (I hope I'm not giving too much away) is and will be a part of Sex-O-Rama, and whenever he shows up, things are gonna get a lot more like the Stitch/Suture strips. :)<P><B> <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR><P>all in all, i like it - more than that, i liked it enough to comment. <P></B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>That makes you one of a total of two, however. ;) Thanks for the compliment, but I don't think many people share the thought.<P><B> <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR><P>it's not some played-out anime rip-off, it's not some superhero recycled crap from the 1960's, it's not "kathy", and it's not espousing to be something it isn't. <P></B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Well, I do get into the realm of making fun of and even so far as attacking anime within Sex-O-Rama proper, played out is not something I think applies to Stitch/Suture or Sex-O-Rama. :) As far as superhero stuff... I could /not/ do that. Superheroes are dull as shit. Unless you count Barry Windsor-Smith's Weapon X as superhero. Now, I know it's X-Men related and everyone hates it or is a Johnny-come-lately, but damn, BWS is fucking incredible in that book. The rest of Marvel, hell, DC, Image, and everyone else, should be on their knees in supplication. Oh. And I never once understood Kathy or why it was funny.<P>Also, its hard to be something you're not.<P><B> <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR><P>while thematically similar to other comics and graphic novels i've read, you've begun something rather original in only four strips, and i look forward to seeing what happens in the future.<P></B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Thematically similar in what ways? (Of course, I have the advantage at this point, because I know what happens next and you don't. :)<P>Oh, I meant to bring this up before when we were talking about Edward Gorey. My influences. First off, I've been a heavy reader for years. I love sci-fi and horror. I love Phillip K. Dick, William Gibson, and Poe. My taste remains similar in movies, sci-fi and horror. However, I have a deep, enduring love for b-movies. The more terrible to better. :) My movie influence is pretty obvious, I'd wager. I love Night of the Living Dead to bits. Romero rocks. No two ways about it. However, I /also/ love Return of the Living Dead, which is largely a parody, although the humor is not as shclocky and obvious as the Evil Dead/Army of Darkness movies. Return basically takes all the conventions of a good b-grade zombie flick and raises them to new, laughing at what it's doing all the time. Now, Stitch/Suture isn't funny. Oh well. Sex-O-Rama is sometimes and isn't others. A lot of what I like to do is take common themes and formulas and drop them on their ear. With just a slight twist something common becomes disturbing. Hell. The murderous rabbit/alien hybrid in Sex-O-Rama is sort of what Bugs Bunny might have been if he'd been kicked into the skull repeatedly when he was little. Sex-O-Rama is going to be sort of a fever dream Tiny Toons. I like to poke fun at and even overtly attack things I enjoy a lot. I also like to revisit and distort things I enjoyed as a child. Oh, back to Poe for a moment. I think I've discovered why his works are creepy. He hammers the same thing into your head hover and over again. Read the beginning of Fall of the House of Usher. He goes on, page after page, about how dank and depressing the old place is from the outside and how shitty it made him feel. Just thought I'd interject that. whether or not I choose to build up a sense of dread in similar fashion remains to be seen... probably not, though. Making things outlandish violent as clearly visible is something I learned from b-grade horror movies. I don't think I even know how to be subtle anymore. I kind of wish I could make things scary by not showing stuff and letting your imagination do it, but the best I seem to be able to do in that sense is not show actual acts of violence, only show the victim afterwards. I also think black and white movies tend to be more creepy in general because there's that cloud of darnkess, almost. No color... sort of washed out and lifeless. Lots of stuff can sneak in that isn't supposed to be there. Lots of shadows and greys... undefined areas... a lot happening there... a lot. You can't see it all like you can in color, especially modern color. I'm trying to somehow come to terms with my love for this dark, shadowy 'don't see it happen or the aftereffects, just hear the scream and cut away' horror and my love for the super outlandish 'over the top geysers of blood limbs everywhere' horror that I enjoy because it's just so rediculous I get a kick out of it. Interesting little dilemna... I've been told it makes my work more dynamic, but it pisses me off and I sort of wish I could kill it. (Oh, yes, I prefer to spell dilemna that way isntead of dilemma, archaic though it be. Dilemma sounds/looks stupid to me.) Oh yes, I was talking about influences, wasn't I? Let me cut it down some:<P>Books: Poe, Dick, Gibson. Movies: Romero, and lots of random other b-movie directors (Night of the Living Dead rocks). Comics: Barry Windsor-Smith's Weapon X, oh, and the recent and short-lived (new) Deathlok series from Marvel. Their choice to kill the book has made me hate them more than ever and I refuse to buy their refuse anymore. :)<P>Boy, that was short.<P>------------------
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by e:
<B>damnable picture post!<P><a href="http://fivecomix.keenspace.com"><img src="http://fivecomix.keenspace.com/88x31button01.gif" alt="five -- a terrible thing" border="0" WIDTH="88" HEIGHT="31"></a></B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Oh. This reminds me. I went and read your comic. I do have to say it's of a slant I was not going for in the least. Very esoteric and, if you'll excuse me for saying so, arty. If you don't mind some constructive criticism, I'd like to say that it may be overly esoteric. So much so, that getting a following may be difficult. People like to has something to relate to, I find. If you'd like an example from that pile of literature I mention in my mile-long post, well, let's see. Let's go with Weapon X, because I'm thinking about it. Main character is a man experimented on against his will, turned into some kind of monster. Still underlyingly human, though hurt and tortured. Your character in Five does seem both hurt and tortured, but to me at least, doesn't seem very human. Rather more like a puppy was beat. It might improve the story if we were given a closer look at your character. Let us see what's inside him. Perhaps? Looking forward to more talk.
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by adsinfinitum:
<B>I would read your strip, but don't really want the words sex-o-rama showing up on my history logs.
Given that a lot of comic readers have their history accessible via a Lan- that's something to consider in and of itself...
</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>That works both ways. For no apparent reason, even though I had no comic, I got well over 2,000 hits last month. ;) Anyhow, PART of the reason I picked the name Sex-O-Rama was BECAUSE people don't like it and are suspicious of it. Sex is not a bad word. In fact, there's no such THING as a bad word, in my opinion. And if someone harrasses you about the URL, you can always just go show them the site. It's just a comic strip. I'm sure that'd be pretty obvious just by showing someone. <Shrug><P>------------------
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PDI:
<B> From the "Top 100" and "Top 99" lists, I'd say 5 is doing just fine getting a following -- in a very short time, I might add.
</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Five appears to have created some interesting "top sites" pages of his own that in turn link to top comic sites and give him credit for it. Five's top site pages make the KeenSpace 99, etc look like sex or sex comic sites. To me its a bit unfair in the rankings and possibly slanderous to the list sites to describe them as such.<P>In any event I want to hear if Five denies he's responsible for these pages.
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Oh. Incidently, I decided that the Stitch/Suture format I had set up sucked because it forced me to not use words when I /REALLY/ wanted to so I just spit all over my own idea and posted a Stitch instead of a Suture. Trying to come up with a suitable Suture was slowing me down. So... enjoy and shit.<P>------------------
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