shin-goji wrote:I would like to think that a category for photocomics IS necessary. Granted, it would boil down to just a few nominations, but come on, it's a valid genre and qualifies as a seperate and unique category.
davidcsimon wrote:shin-goji wrote:I would like to think that a category for photocomics IS necessary. Granted, it would boil down to just a few nominations, but come on, it's a valid genre and qualifies as a seperate and unique category.
"Photocomic" is not a genre, it is a specific technique. Although I understand the need to try and break down certain prejudices regarding photocomics, I don't think it's right that there is an award purely for comics produced using a certain technique. If we're awarding"Outstanding "Photocomic", then we should also be awarding outstanding hand-drawn & coloured comic, digitally inked and coloured comic, 3D comic, sprite comic, etc.
But, as I've said before, I don't think it's wise to be awarding any of these categories (as much as I'd love to see a 3D category, for selfish reasons). Let's focus on the end product, rather than the process. Each webcomic should be judged by the potential of the medium, not the limitations of the artistic process.
warofwinds wrote:Also, the medium may be digital, but the making....that's very important too. Would you put Finding Nemo in the same category as Lord of the Rings? No. They may be the same medium, film, but they deserve to be judged on their own merits.
Komiyan wrote:But favourite doesn't really work, as that's more of a personal issue.
angermouse wrote:The finalists were chosen from those who received the most nominations; and there's absolutely nothing to prevent people from choosing their favourites and absolutely nothing to encourage them to actually go out and look for comics that they haven't read but which might be worthy.
angermouse wrote:Of course the comics which are most popular will inevitably get the most nods. It's a popular vote, any way you look at it. All I'm saying is that we shouldn't dress it up as anything else.
angermouse wrote:The change I propose is a tiny one. Change the 'Outstanding' (as in 'Outstanding Comic') to 'Favourite'.
But then whatever wins and people will look at it and go 'well, that's not MY favourite.' That's all I meant.angermouse wrote:Komiyan wrote:But favourite doesn't really work, as that's more of a personal issue.
But it *is* a personal issue. The finalists were chosen from those who received the most nominations; and there's absolutely nothing to prevent people from choosing their favourites and absolutely nothing to encourage them to actually go out and look for comics that they haven't read but which might be worthy. Of course the comics which are most popular will inevitably get the most nods. It's a popular vote, any way you look at it. All I'm saying is that we shouldn't dress it up as anything else.
I dunno. While popularity/visibility is definitely a key factor in these awards, it's only one of several factors. If it were really a straight-up popularity contest, then why aren't PvP and Penny Arcade nominated in every single possible category? They are far and away more popular than any of the other comics nominated; yet they only have two nominations each, and none of those are for "Outstanding Comic". In the meantime, relative unknowns like Lackadaisy have four nominations.
TdotOdot2k wrote:Outstanding is fine, and some of us DO look around and vote for comics based on what they know about them.
I really only follow anywhere from 5-10 webcomics at any given time, and periodically check up on somewhere in the area of 50. I nominated well over 20 titles, and several were ones I don't really read...until I looked around and read their archives and nominated them. I wouldn't consider them a favorite at all. Their art was outstanding, and their character designs flawless. They're not my favorite, either.
YOU might see it as a popularity contest, where we all nominate the comics we all like as a group in some kind of popularity high school thing....but really, come on. May as well ask any award show ANYWHERE not to use that word, considering they're ALL popularity contests based on your definition, since they require mass amounts of votes to win.
TdotOdot2k wrote:I think we should focus on streamlining this thing. That should definitely be the focus. The ballot is getting a liiiiiiiittle bit large, and there ARE other categories that need to be in there, like Best Adult Webcomic. I'm also unsure how I feel now that I know there's NOT a best sprite comic, if there IS a best Photo comic. I feel photocomic deserves a spot, as it can be quite a difficult thing to pull off.
Also...yeah. What Komi said. I'd hate to see "Favorite Webcomic: Megatokyo", because my immediate thought would be "NOT." Outstanding works, like it or not. Favorite could, but the wordings a little weird.
AFCErik wrote:I think it would be helpful for the streamlining discussion if we had some historical data about how many people are voting as the number of categories increased, etc.
Can the board post a table with the following information in it?
Year | # of categories | # of voters | Vote Completion Rate*
* (total # of votes cast) / (# of categories x # of voters)
If the Vote Completion Rate is low, I'd agree that there is a problem. If it's above 90%, I'd say there is no compelling reason to streamline.
If it looks like completion rates are low, then the board can look at historical data for each category and decide if it should be dropped. For example, if a category has only been voted in by 25% of the voters for the past 5 years, it's probably a candidate for removal.
AFCErik wrote:TdotOdot2k, where did you get that number? Was that for this year?
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