Netscape Sucks

Postby Tirdun on Wed Apr 18, 2001 3:42 am

Let me make this very clear. Netscape sucks. Now, I don't want to be labeled as a "Microsoft Clone", but IE is a superior browser in almost every possible way. Now, personally, I use Opera. It's small, fast, and very configurable. Netscape, however, can bite me.<P>Why does it suck? Let me count the ways. First, Netscape has stubbornly refused to support industry standards. Microsoft used to be the renegade in this arena, attempting to force everyone to adhere to their standards. However, IE rapidly came in line when it became clear that those particular attitudes would not get them very far. Now, Netscape has taken up the banner. Why? Who knows...<P>Netscape refuses to adhere to W3C standards on HTML 4 compliance, CSS 2, Java and JavaScript. This means that I can build a fully certifiable page that IE and Opera show perfectly and Netscape will show a blank screen. Netscape refuses to fix other known bugs. Table backgrounds are repeated in nested tables. Table specifications are generally ignored as a whole. JavaScripts won't run unless specific code is set in specific ways that is beyond what is required for good, stable code. <P>Another huge pain is in JavaScript and CSS errors. If I write a bit of code that is buggy, IE will attempt valiantly to figure out what the hell I was trying to do. It'll give me specific line errors and STILL show as much of the page as possible. Opera will give it the old college try... ok, maybe a High School try, but a SENIOR in High School at least. Netscape will die and give me a blank page. If I'm LUCKY, the javascript console will list the line number and show me what it didn't like. 90% of the time a problem in Netscape will be completely kosher to both IE and Opera. Opera, by the way, is very strict on standards.<P>And why does Netscape relabel HTML in my registry to "Netscape HTML document". Netscape didn't write the HTML standard. They don't have ANYTHING to do with HTML except in showing it. It'd be like a program renaming every TXT file as "Bobware Text Format". Bastards.<P>Now, I'm all for improvements in the market, which means that some features will not work in all browsers. But right now I'm talking about CORE STANDARDS. There have to be core standards or web developers will have to write pages for every popular browser or build back end page systems to deliver the content. This means time and overhead, and it shouldn't have to happen.<P>Right now I have 4 different browsers installed on my system: Opera, IE 5, Netscape 4.77 and Netscape 6.01. Every time I build a page, I have to test it in ALL of them. Usually this means building in Opera tweaking slightly for IE and a huge troubleshoot for Netscape. Then I get to go back and make sure that the "fix" for Netscape didn't hose up the rest of the browsers.<P>------------------
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Postby Pooga on Thu Apr 19, 2001 9:31 am

I sympathize with your plight. I also worry, because I've been working on some pages recently and while I've been striving to maintain HTML 4.01 strict compliance, I have been using IE as my sole browser for previewing. <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspace.com/forums/frown.gif"><P>How non-compliant is Netscape? Is this mainly a JavaScript thing, or will it balk at in-tag style attributes (for example)? I ask because those were my main areas of non-compliance that I changed (ie removing <center> tags and changing from attributes like "BACKGROUND" and "BORDERCOLOR" to the 'style="..."' format. Have I just hosed it up for Netscape users?<P>Pooga <IMG SRC="http://cwm.ragesofsanity.com/otn/animals/oink.gif"> <P>------------------
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Postby Tirdun on Thu Apr 19, 2001 9:37 am

It's hard to say. The biggest gripes I've had are with Netscape's support of CSS and JavaScript. Which is to say very little. Netscape has major issues with colors and backgrounds as declared in CSS. It doesn't like JavaScript in a dozen different ways. My biggest gripe is with nested tables (a table in another table's cell) where Netscape will draw the background image of the mother table in all of the cells of the daughter table.<P>Now, background images aren't HTML 4.01 kosher in tables, so you're supposed to use CSS, but Netscape doesn't do backgrounds in CSS unless you directly specify the path of the image (not the relative path) so you HAVE to know the absolute path. Since I build training packages that get transported on CD and installed on hard drives and pushed across networks and read over the internet, an absolute path is a joke. Long story short, no backgrounds in tables...<P>Anyhow, Netscape supports most CSS, and it supports inline style, although you might be better off using class or id attributes. <P>------------------
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