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a rant about kinky stories

Postby Halo299 on Wed Feb 13, 2008 11:24 pm

I have read a lot of erotic stories in my time, some of them have been very good. Others, not so much. I’ll follow Vedius Pollio’s critique of so called erotic literature with my own.

Most of the silly stuff I just skip over and unless it is simply not possible I don’t let bad writing get in my way.

A lot of times I simply imagine what I wish the author had written and use the actual texts as a mere guild line of sorts.

But the plots, I am unforgiving of. Here is the way a lot of the plots I have read turn out.

Young Female character is kidnapped and held prisoner where she is raped and tortured for a while, all the time hearing hints at worse things to come… I am with you so far.
Then she is turned over to a “master” who trains her as a slave in a vast underground worldwide state of the art society of slave masters who, despite massive amounts of wealth to the point where they can literality grow their own slaves in farm like environments and then have private doctors modify them to match the masters every whim, still likes to buy the occasional college student from a gang of thugs.

Or

One or more Female characters are raised in a family which has a very kinky lifestyle. The female characters will most likely serve as a sexual object to her father and any brothers, possibly her mother as well unless the mother is also a sex object. The father is likely to bring his friends over to let them fuck the female character from time to time and any number of painful and humiliating ordeals might follow…eh, I’m still reading.
Then she is turned over to a “master” who trains her as a slave in a vast underground worldwide state of the art society of slave masters who, despite massive amounts of wealth to the point where they can literality grow their own slaves in farm like environments and then have private doctors modify them to match the masters every whim, still likes to acquire the young girls of families involved in this underground society.

Or

Female character, for whatever reason, submits to her SO’s interest in bondage/kinky things and the two of them embark on a week or so of semi romantic bondage sex the likes of which she has always wanted but never admitted to herself. She confesses her desire to explore this lifestyle more…Ok, I’m with you.
Then she is turned over to a “master” who trains her as a slave in a vast underground worldwide state of the art society of slave masters who, despite massive amounts of wealth to the point where they can literality grow their own slaves in farm like environments and then have private doctors modify them to match the masters every whim, still likes to buy the occasional college student from a gang of thugs or acquire girls from families involved in this society. And the SO has been hanging out with these guys for years and the female character never knew.

Seriously, the amount or recourses that just about every author gives these people is just stupefying. And I will not even begin to go into the number of stories that have the legal code rewritten so that the fate of every woman is to one day be cooked on a spit to deal with the worlds “Food Shortage”.

Seriously, it is like these writers just have this idea in their head and they can’t imagine a story that does not include it. I have seen so many potentially good plot ruined by this tendency. It isn’t like it makes these stories any hotter, by the time “slave training” is compete these girls have about as much personality as a real doll anyway.

I am not looking for high literature here or anything, but I would like to read a story every once in a while and not feel stupider after I’m done.

It just makes me feel cheep and dirty, and not in the good way.

Rant over.

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Postby Halo299 on Wed Feb 13, 2008 11:47 pm

Nightingale wrote:I can live with these sorts of plots as long as it's all tongue-in-cheek anyway. Comedy can support just about any plot clusterfuck.


true, but i am not reading these stories for comedy (but perhaps i should).

Comedy and erotic are two things that don't tend too mix well, like a pie in the face right before orgasm.

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Postby Orwell on Thu Feb 14, 2008 7:03 am

I'll add my own comments to this and bitch about why don't how I don't get any kinky sex. (What? This is what I expected the thread to be about.)
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Postby Swordsman3003 on Thu Feb 14, 2008 7:46 am

Well, one thing that alwayskills a story for me is when female actually insert something into themselves, like, random objects, during masturbation. It's a clear indication that the author is an idiot.
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Postby Kittyboymuffin on Thu Feb 14, 2008 10:35 am

Eh, for me, laughter releases tension I was saving for an orgasm.

Also ... for some of my stories, I turn it around a bit: the sex slavery system is Official, and in the foreground, so it doesn't come out of freaking nowhere like in these stories, it was already there. Also, my stories are generally from the "submissive's" perspective, and furthermore, they don't actually get much "training" to modify their behavior. Also, the one time the aforementioned thugs appeared, they were part of the slave-system. Hooray for inverted, justified tropes. ``
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Postby Aeridus on Thu Feb 14, 2008 10:37 am

swordsman3003 wrote:Well, one thing that alwayskills a story for me is when female actually insert something into themselves, like, random objects, during masturbation. It's a clear indication that the author is an idiot.


Like what, marbles?
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Postby Kittyboymuffin on Thu Feb 14, 2008 10:38 am

A comb, maybe. Or possibly a sexy fork. ;)
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Postby Boring 7 on Thu Feb 14, 2008 11:03 am

Halo299 wrote:like a pie in the face right before orgasm.

Ah yes, a subset of the Clown Fetish, the ol' Cream Pie Cummer.

"Lemme tell ya, it was weird baking jizz into a vanilla cream pie, but it got her in bed so what do I care?"
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Postby RavenxDrake on Thu Feb 14, 2008 12:59 pm

The one that gets me(and this is true of written stories, manga, dojinshi, etc) is a nice, normal, everyday woman is kidnapped and raped and somewhere after the third No, her brain flips and she becomes a rampant submissive, beging people to beat her and rape her...

The logistics of a dominant(or group of them) finding a woman that is THAT inherently submissive just at random, and who DIDN'T already know it is mindboggling, and it makes no sense.
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Postby Illithid Tentacles on Thu Feb 14, 2008 7:50 pm

The thing is, people who write erotic stories aren't writing stories. They're writing kinks, fetishes, and fantasies, which, by themselves, make for really shitty stories.
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Postby Boring 7 on Fri Feb 15, 2008 8:09 am

RavenxDrake wrote:The logistics of a dominant(or group of them) finding a woman that is THAT inherently submissive just at random, and who DIDN'T already know it is mindboggling, and it makes no sense.

It seems the writer usually implies that all women are SECRETLY like that and any indications to the contrary are just varying levels of denial.
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Postby Kittyboymuffin on Fri Feb 15, 2008 8:30 am

Yeah, even when I'm writing specifically for kink, I at least try to be halfway-realistic and imply that they at least had some actual desires ... and/or Stockholm syndrome ... and/or mind-control ...
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Postby Honor on Fri Feb 15, 2008 1:56 pm

boring 7 wrote:
RavenxDrake wrote:The logistics of a dominant(or group of them) finding a woman that is THAT inherently submissive just at random, and who DIDN'T already know it is mindboggling, and it makes no sense.

It seems the writer usually implies that all women are SECRETLY like that and any indications to the contrary are just varying levels of denial.


The sheer tonnage of "normal" females (and males) who can or could be skillfully & artfully led to explore or embrace a latent fixation on or proclivity toward sexual submission is, in my experience and estimation, staggering.
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Postby RavenxDrake on Fri Feb 15, 2008 2:30 pm

There's a signifigant difference between "Wow, it was kinda hot when you tied me up, maybe we can do that some more."

And "Are you guys done raping me now? Don't you have some friends, or a football team, or some dogs on call for this?"

While I'm certainly aware that a person can be brought into the fold, as it were, on a one on one basis with someone they care for, the idea that these guys can jump the one woman who's just one good, rough, tied up fucking away from living the car trunk cause likes the way it throws her around in the dark when they drive is proportionally ridiculous.
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Postby Vedius Pollio on Sun Feb 17, 2008 4:37 pm

Though some characters in erotic stories are very unrealistic (and extreme), when it cums to perversions.

I'm sure you all remember the "Cows" story I found.

There's also this.

"Amy and the pro" http://nifty.guiltygroups.com/nifty/lesbian/hookers/amy

Mother was out socialising and wouldn't be back until the early hours. I
booked a taxi and then put some things I would need for the evening into a
bag and waited. This was my "game night" and the anticipation was already
making me wet. A lesbian anticipating going out and picking up a prostitute
and indulging in her fetish desires is, perhaps, quite normal, but what
makes me feel very naughty and "dirty" is the fact that I am ten years old.

I developed "early", as they say, and have been using sex toys for the last
two years - my newly found "hobby", of indulging my dirtiest fetish
desires, started six months ago after seeing a documentary on television
which was about prostitutes. After that, I surfed the net and indulged in
developing what I realised were fetish desires. I knew I was a lesbian but
my natural tendency was for older women - much older - though I wasn't
bothered about the psychological aspects involved (mother, daughter stuff,
that sort of thing) - I just accepted it and masturbated for hours thinking
about it all, until I started actually living my fantasies for real. I get
wet just at the thought of being with a woman who is perfect for indulging
my desires. As I said, I like older women, much older that is - older the
better for me - but I also have another important part to my sex life and
that is that the woman must be an avid cigarette smoker. Watching an older
woman smoking and kissing her could almost make me cum without being
touched.

Saturday night, and I was free to use my very generous weekly allowance in
the way I needed. The hunt was on!

The taxi dropped me off in a seedy part of town. I'd specifically selected
this area for its reputation of being where the prostitutes who frequented
it were "passed their best". I paid the taxi fare and went into a nearby
café. Sitting by the window with my coffee, I was able to watch the women
who worked the street and, hopefully, find someone who would be perfect for
tonight.

Almost immediately, I spotted a likely "victim". She was a slightly chubby
woman and looked to be in her late fifties or early sixties; about six
inches taller than me with bleached blonde, curly, shoulder-length hair;
heavy, plastered on makeup and garish red lipstick; a skirt that was too
short for her age, though she walked with familiar ease in her very high
stiletto heels.

As I sipped my coffee I watched the old tart intently from the warmth of
the café and hoped that she would be suitable for my desires; so far all
was looking good, and then when I saw her open her handbag and take out a
packet of cigarettes, I could hardly control myself. I watched as she
extracted a cigarette and lit it - allowing it to dangle from her red lips
as she replaced the packet and lighter in her handbag. As she took a long,
deep drag, I watched with fascination as she took her cigarette between
outstretched fingers and saw her bright red, long nails. As she exhaled
slowly (and to me, sensuously) - the volume of cigarette smoke seemed huge
in the cold, night air. She was perfect - but now the hardest part for me
was coming.

I finished my coffee, picked up the bag I'd brought and left the café. I
was determined to be with the woman who was slowly walking back up the
street toward me as I crossed the road and approached her, her stilettos
"click clacking" loudly on the pavement. This was always the hardest part
of a pick up, but I was now sure of myself and knew how to handle the
situation.

The woman stopped walking towards me as I approached her directly and she
took a lazy drag on her cigarette. Standing directly in front of her, I was
able to discern that she was indeed perhaps in her early sixties; although
she had a pleasant smile and no doubt had once been attractive, I could see
with delight that her face was quite wrinkled and she certainly had never
lived an easy life. Even the heavily-applied makeup she wore could not
disguise the fact that she'd probably spent most of her life walking the
streets.

"Hello, Dearie," she said as I stood in front of her, "what's a young girl
like you doing round here?"

"Good evening," I replied, watching her intently as she took a drag on her
cigarette and flicked the ash. I decided on the direct approach. "Do you
cater for women?" I asked her.

"Fuck me, girl!" she exclaimed in astonishment, exhaling a vast cloud of
cigarette smoke. "You're a bit young to be asking about that, aren't you?"

"I asked you a simple question," I patiently explained, "do you or do you
not cater for women?"

The woman seemed to be thinking how best to word her answer and she
appeared to be a little bit confused at being asked the question by a very
controlled, and self-confident young girl.

"Well, Dearie," she said slowly, as though explaining to an idiot, "I have,
on occasions, provided my services to ladies, yes," she finally got out.

"Good," I replied, "and how much would I have to pay for some time with
you?" I asked.

The old prostitute looked dumbstruck at my question and her mouth dropped
open as she struggled to find any words to express the amazement she
obviously was feeling.

"Look, lady," I continued, sensing that I needed to press my case and get
her in a quandary. "Things seem very slow for you tonight, I've been
watching you walk up and down for the last half-hour and I'm offering you
easy money. I have money - lots of it. It's cold walking the streets
tonight and I'm offering you some time - well paid," I added emphasising
the fact that I was serious, "back in the warmth."


11 year old nymphets propositioning elderly hookers. That's what I mean by outright unrealistic perversion.
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Postby MistressMaggie on Sun Feb 17, 2008 5:38 pm

I went to this party last night and got pretty fucking wasted. ended up making out with another French guy, those buggers sure are persistant. Anyways, long story short, he ends up coming back to the dorm with me, things start getting a little heated, and he spanks me. Hard. I was a little shocked at first, but it was actually kind of exciting. I moved in towards him and he threw me forcefully down onto the bed, yanked my skirt up and started fucking me from behind while pinning me down against the mattress. I don't remember much else from the night, but when I woke up, I discovered I had been sold as a slave in a vast underground worldwide state of the art society of slave masters who, despite massive amounts of wealth to the point where they can literality grow their own slaves in farm like environments and then have private doctors modify them to match the masters every whim, still likes to buy the occasional college student from a gang of thugs.


...I was bored. what can i say?
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Postby BriHahn on Sun Feb 17, 2008 6:00 pm

Can we at least hope that the first part of that story happened as stated? :twisted:
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Postby Halo299 on Sun Feb 17, 2008 6:27 pm

MistressMaggie wrote:I went to this party last night and got pretty fucking wasted. ended up making out with another French guy, those buggers sure are persistant. Anyways, long story short, he ends up coming back to the dorm with me, things start getting a little heated, and he spanks me. Hard. I was a little shocked at first, but it was actually kind of exciting. I moved in towards him and he threw me forcefully down onto the bed, yanked my skirt up and started fucking me from behind while pinning me down against the mattress. I don't remember much else from the night, but when I woke up, I discovered I had been sold as a slave in a vast underground worldwide state of the art society of slave masters who, despite massive amounts of wealth to the point where they can literality grow their own slaves in farm like environments and then have private doctors modify them to match the masters every whim, still likes to buy the occasional college student from a gang of thugs.


...I was bored. what can i say?


that was great.

i loled and loled and loled.

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Postby Vedius Pollio on Sun Feb 17, 2008 8:05 pm

MistressMaggie wrote:I went to this party last night and got pretty fucking wasted. ended up making out with another French guy, those buggers sure are persistant. Anyways, long story short, he ends up coming back to the dorm with me, things start getting a little heated, and he spanks me. Hard. I was a little shocked at first, but it was actually kind of exciting. I moved in towards him and he threw me forcefully down onto the bed, yanked my skirt up and started fucking me from behind while pinning me down against the mattress. I don't remember much else from the night, but when I woke up, I discovered I had been sold as a slave in a vast underground worldwide state of the art society of slave masters who, despite massive amounts of wealth to the point where they can literality grow their own slaves in farm like environments and then have private doctors modify them to match the masters every whim, still likes to buy the occasional college student from a gang of thugs.


...I was bored. what can i say?


If there really existed a secret society of slave masters, it probably would be situated in France.
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Postby Seth Marati on Sun Feb 17, 2008 8:10 pm

Bahahahaha! That's better than Bel-Air.
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