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Personally, I would have rather had my first time with a professional who could have given me a good hour or two lesson on how to please women, how to have a good time, and how not to be a complete and utter douchebag afterwards.

The whole American puritan thing about two virgins being each other's first times is complete and total crap. You don't partner up two rookie cops, and you don't put two rookie pilots in control of an aircraft.

So why do we expect a complete rookie to be able to control a clit?

squidflakes wrote:So why do we expect a complete rookie to be able to control a clit?

"Dear God, Johnson...! What are you doing? We're all going to... not... cum.. "

::grins:: I love you, Squiddy.

squidflakes wrote:Personally, I would have rather had my first time with a professional who could have given me a good hour or two lesson on how to please women, how to have a good time, and how not to be a complete and utter douchebag afterwards.

You can also accomplish this by having 'consensual' sex with your babysitter for a couple years. I got good enough I even got traded to the white sox for a season.

And now, for the joke that originally struck me when I read this...

squidflakes wrote:Personally, I would have rather had my first time with a professional who could have given me a good hour or two lesson on how to please women, how to have a good time, and how not to be a complete and utter douchebag afterwards.

I would have preferred a professional for my first, for the same reasons... The first girl I was with, however, still prays yearly to the gods of man and nature, thanking them for the experience.

Thank you... Thank you... I'll, uh... Don't forget to tip your waitresses. I'll be here all week.

I don't want to expose too much of my festering cynicism, but my sentiments are with Squidflakes on this one. Personally, I hope my first time is with someone who's experienced enough to make it an educational experience. And I'm talking about real education, not education in the "realizing I have no idea that the fuck I'm doing" kind of sense. Could be tricky, though. Fucking a stranger just doesn't appeal to me, though maybe it will after a few more years of inactivity.

Seth Marati wrote:... Could be tricky, though. Fucking a stranger just doesn't appeal to me, though maybe it will after a few more years of inactivity.

That's probably where my problem is. Not so much that you want someone experienced, but just the fact that I can't picture myself having sex with someone I don't know well.

MistressMaggie wrote:

Seth Marati wrote:... Could be tricky, though. Fucking a stranger just doesn't appeal to me, though maybe it will after a few more years of inactivity.

That's probably where my problem is. Not so much that you want someone experienced, but just the fact that I can't picture myself having sex with someone I don't know well.

I'd put forward that this is mostly because you're a female. If there were some way to accurately and honestly measure it, I think you'd find that most males have no qualms with fucking even a glory hole... Some percentage, now-a-days, might want some guarantee of safety from disease, but other than that, I doubt many have any issue with sex with a stranger.

What was the quote from... Was it Charlie Sheen? "I don't pay women to have sex with me, I pay them to go away afterwards."?

I agree with Honor.

Besides, sex with strangers can be very, very, very, fun.

my rational mind and my emotions are at odds. My rational mind tells me how much fun it can be, but my emotions are very female, and as a result, I am attracted sexually to people only after I know them well enough to gauge their personality, because that's what i find sexy first.

Okay, now YOU need to get out of my head, woman!

*licks Bri's brain*

*squirms and giggles*

I used to have some really steep trust issues with the whole "sex with strangers" thing.

It took me a long time to sort that out, and separate the sex/intimacy thing.

Many years, and many fucked-up relationships.

So; it's not necessarily that I get sexually turned-on by a personality. That's a wholly separate attraction for me. Getting to know what makes a person tick, getting inside their head, is like another way of getting inside their pants.

So - not knowing the person with whom I'm having sex, is about as interesting as, well, the lack of conversation I have with my hand while I'm jerking.

squidflakes wrote:The whole American puritan thing about two virgins being each other's first times is complete and total crap. You don't partner up two rookie cops, and you don't put two rookie pilots in control of an aircraft.

So why do we expect a complete rookie to be able to control a clit?

I think that's the point of American Puritanism. Sex is for making more good little Christians, not for recreation. It's not supposed to be enjoyable, or at least not openly sought (especially by women). Being able to play the clit properly to elicit a symphony of delightful squeals isn't proper etiquette.
Or so they say.

Honorlicious wrote: I'd put forward that this is mostly because you're a female. If there were some way to accurately and honestly measure it, I think you'd find that most males have no qualms with fucking even a glory hole... Some percentage, now-a-days, might want some guarantee of safety from disease, but other than that, I doubt many have any issue with sex with a stranger.

Hey look, another statistic I deviate from! (Big surprise, I know)
If all I'm looking for is a soulless orgasm, my hand works quite well (has done so for the past 15+ years), and is much cheaper. For real, honest to goodness hardcore fucking, I'd want to be on at least, if not more than a first-name basis with my partner.
If there's no emotional connection, I don't see a purpose wasting my time with someone. Maybe for the sheer novelty of the act, but since I'm coming up on another milestone which is pretty much just a novelty in itself, I'd rather not bother at this time.

That's also the primary reason I'd probably never bother paying for sex personally, but wouldn't stop others from doing so.
The other is, paying by the hour, I'd probably go broke. While the act itself may not take long, I'm of the opinion that 4 hours of foreplay is "a good start," and like about 6 or 8 to really set the mood.

My wife and I watch that show. Funny, she says she would go. I find most of the women unattractive. There was one that looked like your average college girl.... hot!


I saw the episode where the mom brought her son in.

You guys are obsessing about the symptom. The disease is the real problem. Here you have a boy 18 years old, that can't stand up to his mom enough to keep her from dragging him to a hooker or tell her to fuck off when she starts taking an interest in his sex life. At 18 your kid ought to be excited to MOVE OUT OF YOUR HOUSE AND START HIS OWN LIFE!

That kid looked mortified.

I've seen Dad's bring their son's in. Totally different dynamic. Its more like a slap on the back and "go get her son!", while dad sits back and has a beer. Those boys didn't seem mortified their dad was their and probably could have gotten some nookie at high school on their own.

Think about the pregnancy thread. It probably not a bad idea to take those boys to a pro before letting them loose on the sophomore and junior class at their high school. At least they will think that a condom is a proper accessory to the horizontal Lambada.


It probably speaks a little to the inherent sexism in our society, but that kind brought in by his mom..... I could tell he was going to be living in her basement at age 30.