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no, for me incest is absolutely disgusting.

the same with nascar, I'm a cheap drinker I don't drink for taste I drink to get intoxicated and for about a buck thirty five for every twenty two ounce can I think i'm doing fine on that.

I wish I could drink tequila though, makes me sick every time.

If you want to get drunk cheap, never go with beer. Cheap vodka is the way to go.

Spiral Zer0 wrote:no, for me incest is absolutely disgusting.

A lot of folks say that, but so far, nobody's been able to give me any kind of rational explantion or reasoning for that impression.

I don't drink to get intoxicated... In fact, I don't like being intoxicated. I drink mostly for the flavor of what I'm drinking... Usually Guiness or Hard Cider (usually Granny Smith). I do like the "just barely buzzed" feeling, though... And usually, when I'm intoxicated, it's because the flavor of what I'm drinking has gotten ahead of that barely buzzed feeling, and by the time I notice it, it's far too late.

I'm with you on NASCAR though... I was over at a friend's house, and her husband was watching... rivited. She was interested, but not so much as he was... Still, enough to cause lags in the conversation. Eventually, I asked aloud "So... Do you think they're smart enough to realize that they're just driving around and around in a circle?"

Honor wrote:
A lot of folks say that, but so far, nobody's been able to give me any kind of rational explantion or reasoning for that impression.

In my view, it's about the mental bond that is created in sex, and how it clashes with the bond of blood relatives.

"You can sleep when you are dead!"
Just a wee bit nuts that one.

And, those AIDS commercials made me go "awwwww...".

Honor wrote: I'm with you on NASCAR though... I was over at a friend's house, and her husband was watching... rivited. She was interested, but not so much as he was... Still, enough to cause lags in the conversation. Eventually, I asked aloud "So... Do you think they're smart enough to realize that they're just driving around and around in a circle?"

While I'm not a fan of Nascar, I do have a lot of respect for the drivers. They were monitoring brainwave patterns of various athletes to figure out how often they went "in the zone". For most sports it would be a couple seconds, a minute or two at the most. The professional drivers were going in and out of it for hours at a time. Not to mention how grueling the g forces from the turns and the like are. It's a very exhausting sport.

Just not very fun to watch.

Not to mention, very uncharasteristic for a human being. All social or economical commentary aside, let's just go straight to the science. Human brains are not created for doing the same thing over and over and over and over again (I got pissed off writing 'over and' that many times, allready), but rather to act in creative processes. So Nascar, where they go the same ellipse what, several dozen times, the brain gets to the point where they want change. That's why crashes happen.

All in all, a shitty 'sport'. Sure it's hard, and makes you sweat. Guess what else makes you sweat? Having sex.

WangyJohn wrote:Guess what else makes you sweat? Having sex.

Sex isn't a sport, though. At least not a recognized one. All I was saying was that I respect a person who would put their mind and body through that much punishment to get what they want, be it a trophy, large amounts of cash, or the glory that comes from satisfying your fans.

Like I said, I'm not a Nascar fan. I am, however, a Nascar crashes fan. I like the ones with midair spins.

Honor wrote:

Spiral Zer0 wrote:no, for me incest is absolutely disgusting.

A lot of folks say that, but so far, nobody's been able to give me any kind of rational explantion or reasoning for that impression.

I'm on your side in this one Honor. While I have no siblings I do have a hot cousin or two. As for your sister, we would like to see you nail her once too

I don't drink to get intoxicated... In fact, I don't like being intoxicated. I drink mostly for the flavor of what I'm drinking... Usually Guiness or Hard Cider (usually Granny Smith). I do like the "just barely buzzed" feeling, though... And usually, when I'm intoxicated, it's because the flavor of what I'm drinking has gotten ahead of that barely buzzed feeling, and by the time I notice it, it's far too late.

Ahh good choices there Honor. As for American beer as I alluded to earlier, it's like love in a canoe--Fucking close to water. I personally will drink usually for flavor but occasionally set out for intoxicated. I still want to enjoy my trip there however. Besides, I usually get sick from beer bloat before I get truly intoxicated. With things like Guiness or hard cider, there is generally much less carbonation present, so less beer bloat, also esp. with Guiness it's filling enough to keep me from wanting to drink enough to get drunk. If I truly want to get fucked up, as the saying goes..."Candy is dandy but liquor is quicker"

I'm with you on NASCAR though... I was over at a friend's house, and her husband was watching... rivited. She was interested, but not so much as he was... Still, enough to cause lags in the conversation. Eventually, I asked aloud "So... Do you think they're smart enough to realize that they're just driving around and around in a circle?"

I tend to agree. While I would like to experience it from the car, watching it is boring as hell. At least with animal racing(including humans on foot/bicycle), you get to see the animal pushing/being pushed to the limits. Really no way to know how much the car is being pushed to it's limits. or to even care.

JohnnyTwoEyes wrote:

WangyJohn wrote:Guess what else makes you sweat? Having sex.

Sex isn't a sport, though. At least not a recognized one.

Watch Everything You Ever Wanted To Know About Sex, But Were Afraid To Ask... there's an amusing Sex Olympics portion in there.

It *could* work... at least in places as open-minded as France.

If there's a masturbation contest, I'm game. Managed eighteen times in one afternoon once.

That was a damn good afternoon.

Actualy honor the incest phobia probaly IS an instinctive behaviour. therfore its pritty much impossible to give a RATIONAL explanaiton for its existance. You just gotta accecpt it exists to a greater or lesser extent in people. Sometimes it gets twisted up and reversed, becoming a forbidden attrator, ie goddamned hot.

Honor wrote:

Spiral Zer0 wrote:no, for me incest is absolutely disgusting.

A lot of folks say that, but so far, nobody's been able to give me any kind of rational explantion or reasoning for that impression.

My brother once nearly drowned me in a swimming pool. It's the kind of experience that turns you off a person.

Indigo Violent wrote:My brother once nearly drowned me in a swimming pool. It's the kind of experience that turns you off a person.

Ah, yes... But to play my favorite position* again, that's not an impulse against incest, it's a 'strike' against mating with a specific someone who's done something unsavory to/near you and thus 'earned' a potent "not attractive" qualifier...

However... It very well could be that part of the 'problem' is the fact that co-habitating siblings simply have a great deal more opportunity to earn such 'strikes' while they are young enough to be very prone to earn them...

RantinAn wrote:Actualy honor the incest phobia probaly IS an instinctive behaviour. therfore its pritty much impossible to give a RATIONAL explanaiton for its existance. You just gotta accecpt it exists to a greater or lesser extent in people. Sometimes it gets twisted up and reversed, becoming a forbidden attrator, ie goddamned hot.

Not without much better evidence, I don't... Too many other types of mammals will glady top their sister given any real opportunity (despite the false assertion to the contrary above).

I think it could be very effectively proven that no such instinctive prohibition exists in humans, but it would require some rather strident experimentation that certian namby-pamby human rights organizations and governmental institutions would almost assuredly take issue with...

Three groups. The 'control', raised normally. Experimental 1, in which siblings are raised with no taught prohibition against it, and Experimental 2, in which children are raised bonobo style, being taught that 'playing doctor' is a time honored and accepted means of familial interaction.

In all seriousness, though, as I've mentioned several times before, in the "mating for procreating" sense, I think it's not so much an instinctive distaste for the familiar as it is an instinctive attraction for the (safely) unfamiliar... In the "friendly exercise" sense, I think it's mostly social and learned... Take away that social impetus and much more early sexual experimentation will be done with close relatives (and admitted to.)


*why, avvocato del diavolo, of course...

times caught withotu a source #238. Ima gonna have to search and find hte studies i rememebr reading. I do recall it was specificly cross generational incest they were discussing (parnt child) rahter than intergenerational incest.

my five sisters are creepy hillbillies that live in a different state, and my brother, while a close friend, isn't my type. I am repulsed by the idea of sexual relations with my family, but I think that stems more because I am close and familiar with them in a way very different from the way I am close and familiar to the people I have a romantic interest in. I hope that makes some sense.

Why is incest digusting?

Well, we're trained to it. I don't think it could be hard-wired because we don't know (at a gut level) that we're related to someone. We're just told it. Look at all the people who are adopted and never know it.

So, why do most of our societies train against it (some don't - as an example, in ancient Egypt pharoahs commonly married their sisters)? I think that genetically speaking, it's a good idea to avoid incest. You can have brother-sister relations and produce a perfectly fine child. In fact, you'll usually produce a fine child. Keep doing it for three or four generations though and you're going to get a mess.

As a species, we're lazy. If we're not strongly encouraged to look outside for mates a lot of people would take the easy way out. Can't find a date? Hey, my sister is right down the hall. Without a strong taboo you'd see a lot of brother-sister relations.

As for parent-child incest, genetically it's even worse than brother-sister and from a interpersonal standpoint it's really bad. A lot of (all?) father-daughter and father-son incest is simply abuse. And mother-son or mother-daughter incest is not really going to encourage your kids to get out of the house and go form their own relationships.

putaro wrote:I don't think it could be hard-wired because we don't know (at a gut level) that we're related to someone. We're just told it.

Westermarck effect. The people one spends a lot of time around as a small child tend to be those related to us.

umm might I add that I do drink other alcoholic beverages.

I mainly drink bud light but I'm a big fan of euorpean stouts and lagers.

they make me feel bloated everytime I drink them though.

putaro wrote:Why is incest digusting?

Well, we're trained to it. I don't think it could be hard-wired because we don't know (at a gut level) that we're related to someone. We're just told it. Look at all the people who are adopted and never know it.

So, why do most of our societies train against it (some don't - as an example, in ancient Egypt pharoahs commonly married their sisters)? I think that genetically speaking, it's a good idea to avoid incest. You can have brother-sister relations and produce a perfectly fine child. In fact, you'll usually produce a fine child. Keep doing it for three or four generations though and you're going to get a mess.

As a species, we're lazy. If we're not strongly encouraged to look outside for mates a lot of people would take the easy way out. Can't find a date? Hey, my sister is right down the hall. Without a strong taboo you'd see a lot of brother-sister relations.

As for parent-child incest, genetically it's even worse than brother-sister and from a interpersonal standpoint it's really bad. A lot of (all?) father-daughter and father-son incest is simply abuse. And mother-son or mother-daughter incest is not really going to encourage your kids to get out of the house and go form their own relationships.

Actually in Ancient Egypt the only reason that Pharaohs would marry their siblings is because they were the son's of the sun (aka God) and marrying their sisters would create a better blood line. However this didn't happen that frequently.

Another interesting thing is that nowhere besides Ancient Egypt can I personally find a culture that was ok with incest. This taboo seems to be pretty heavily accepted by humans as a whole. I don't know why but it seems to me that maybe it's a instinct/programing that we got somewhere along the line. (Honor, if you ever do find childern to exparament with I've got a couple of my own that I'd like to run...)

And lastly (yay! shutting up time is soon) The fact that you were more disgusted at male sexual abusers than female is... typical. Even I've been programed that way. The way that I know when I'm having a bias against or for somebody is to switch the sex. You did and you got what we've been programed with. Males=rapists Women=seducers which is just a different method of raping using psychology instead of force. Is one better than the other? Dunno. I think they're both equally disgusting. (DONE!! YAY!!!) Nap time's now.