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I hate Insomnia

Postby Halo299 on Tue Mar 21, 2006 9:40 pm

I haven't slept in 3 days. sure i take little naps between the hours of 3 and 6 am. but for the most part i get no sleep.

I'm not on any drugs. nothing is on my mind. nothing is going on.

i just can't fucking sleep. i keep telling my self 'ok, i'll stay up tonight and it will be fine because i'll crash and sleep all day after i get out of class tomarrow." but the crach never comes. sometimes this goes on for weeks at a time for no real reason all of a sudden i just lose my ability to sleep. it suck my balls off.

"you never really sleep, but your never really awake" or something like that.

I feel like crap when this happens because my mind and body want to sleep, they try to sleep, but it never works. And the worst part is the boardom. all that talk about there not being enough hour in the day becomes utter crap when you get almost all 24 of them for days at a time. you feel like poo, you get nothing accomplished, you have no motivation, and you just sit around about half the time wishing that you were asleep.

well, its alittle after mid night now so i guess i'm going to sit here for a few more hours before i go to class.

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Postby Aeridus on Tue Mar 21, 2006 10:19 pm

Watch the movie Machinist.

Apart from that, good luck, hopefully you tire eventually.
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Postby Queenhank on Tue Mar 21, 2006 11:57 pm

Masturbate. After you cum, masturbate again. Keep going. Don't stop until you literally pass out from utter exhaustion. I know a couple people for whom this has been an effective cure for insomnia.
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Postby Halo299 on Wed Mar 22, 2006 12:21 am

queenhank wrote:Masturbate. After you cum, masturbate again. Keep going. Don't stop until you literally pass out from utter exhaustion. I know a couple people for whom this has been an effective cure for insomnia.


i thought that's what i've been doing... but perhaps i just wasn't doing it right...damn guess i have to start over again.

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Postby Sweet or Sour on Wed Mar 22, 2006 2:02 am

Do one challenging physical thing, and do it until it feels like acid is pumped through your veins. Push until gravity holds you to the ground, then rest for a bit, stretch for a bit, get up, take a shower, and let the endorphin crash take you to bed.

You might be a bit sore in the morning though [okay, really sore, you might have trouble walking if what you did involved your legs]... Maybe the masturbation thing would work better for you, inwhich case it would definately be the better choice. Masturbation doesn't make everyone tired though, and if your one of those people who shrug off that tiredness, then perhaps this will work.

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Postby Maximuscoolman on Wed Mar 22, 2006 5:38 am

I haven't slept in 3 days. sure i take little naps between the hours of 3 and 6 am. but for the most part i get no sleep.

I'm not on any drugs.

Sounds like you could do with some drugs.
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Postby Nithos on Wed Mar 22, 2006 1:30 pm

I suggest a strict regimine of all three of the above suggestions. Masturbate while drinking absurd quantities of sugary coffee, while running in place with ankle weights. When you crash (chemically, hopefully, if it's a physical crash, you forgot the "in place" part of the run), you'll be out like a light.

Now a little more seriously, the other two might help, but the coffee/sugar crash won't. While you do get a crash coming off caffeine when the stimulating effects end, the coffee will keep you awake even after it's made you tired.
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Postby Halo299 on Wed Mar 22, 2006 1:54 pm

My aikido instructor recommended booze. And while I must admit I have a lot of personal issues against alcohol, I also have personal issues against not sleeping.

The masturbation thing doesn’t really work for me. But I wind up doing it a lot anyway because I have nothing else to do.

I mentioned the masturbation idea to my girlfriend (who heard the alcohol idea) and joked that I should do them both at the same time.

I told her that would be a bad idea. Because your not supposed to use heavy equipment while drunk :D

But I really do need to get some sleep soon. I am testing for my next belt level in aikido in about a week and I have a couple of pretty big class assignments due, that I haven’t been able to work on.

But at least I get to masturbate.

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Postby Xnapalmxmorningx on Wed Mar 22, 2006 5:35 pm

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You might have some fucked up dreams if you drink too much, but it puts you out like a light. Or sleeping pills, I have these herbal sleeping pills that work like a charm.
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Postby Jackalope on Wed Mar 22, 2006 6:23 pm

If your circadian clock is absolutely FUBAR, you might consider melatonin. It's the hormone that normally regulates the sleep/wake cycle. For jet lag, it's taken 30-60 minutes before you crawl into bed and attempt to sleep. Doses range anywhere from .5 mg to 3 mg. I personally found 3 mg to be too high, but I'm on a lot of drugs that would interact with it as well.

wikipedia entry for Melatonin

(Been doing the "Can't sleep, clowns will eat me" thing as well, but that's because I cracked a couple ribs again. Doctor just gave me permission to increase my painkiller so I can get some sleep without waking up with a yelp every time I roll over or move)
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Postby Lowky on Wed Mar 22, 2006 9:07 pm

jackalope wrote:
(Been doing the "Can't sleep, clowns will eat me" thing as well, but that's because I cracked a couple ribs again. Doctor just gave me permission to increase my painkiller so I can get some sleep without waking up with a yelp every time I roll over or move)


Damn Jackalope, maybe you should just get them removed isn't that like the 3rd time in about 6 months.

Sorry to hear about your ribs, speedy recovery.
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Postby Ce6 on Wed Mar 22, 2006 9:10 pm

I have a slightly off-kilter circadian rhythm myself (19-20+ hours wake, 7 hours sleep if I let it go, but since the world doesn't work on that schedule I don't let it wander more than a day at a time. I generally control it at 18/6 wake/sleep)
My brother is about as equally messed up as I am, and his preferred method is beer. Not the healthiest or most cost-effecctive (close, he buys the cheapest beer he can for this purpose), but it works for him.
I restrict food (no food within 4 hours of bedtime) as it keeps me awake longer, and alcohol just makes me silly instead of sleepy. Sometimes masturbation helps, other times reading an incredibly boring novel or textbook works (occasionally I go after the Bible, but sometimes that just pisses me off instead of putting me to sleep).
At times some amateur meditation also helps to quell the unquiet mind and relax the body.
Exercise earlier in the day can help, but not right before bedtime (unless you're going for the exhaustion crash, that might work)
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Postby Honor on Thu Mar 23, 2006 12:11 am

My circadians tend to mark me as being originally from some other planet, too... Having been a work-at-home creative professional for much of my life, I've had some time to indulge it, and I find that, left to my own devices, I tend to sleep 4 to 6 hours a "night" and I tend to go to sleep (and wake up) 1.5 to 2 hours later every "night", on average.

All this tends to work out ok, as long as I don't have outside schedules to keep to... But when I hit the "lap day" where I go to bed about 3pm and wake up in the 7-9pm range, I usually just feel kind of off for a few days, for some reason.

I used to think the odd circadian was really wierd, but then I heard of a study somewhere that completely isolated subjects and found that most people, absent outside influences, don't fall to a "normal" 24 hour cycle.


Anyway. The only thing I use to help get to sleep when I have to is along the amateur meditation lines... It's kind of a custom permutation of a directed dreaming method I learned years ago. I lie perfectly still in bed, eyes closed, and make no exceptions... No moving, no opening the eyes, etc. I moderate my breathing and heart rate, bringing them to a slow, steady level, and try to moderate my body temperature slightly upward... It helps to be just a little warm, and I sleep nude with blankets of at least noticable weight most all the time.

Once I'm "in position", I begin to work through some complex situational "simulation", whether it's defining a fictional world or something, as you would for a game world or a book or story, or maybe placing myself into a fictional situation (lottery winnings or finding some item of extremely advanced technology are personal favorites), or I work through the possibilities of some complex thing I have to do. The important thing is to set parameters, conditions, and something of a "target"... Whether it's an ending goal, or just how I'd like things to go.

All that being done properly, I rarely have the sensation of being awake for very long... And, in the case of setting a "simulation" that has bearing on a complex, real-world problem, I find that often I wake with new insights or ideas on how to resolve it.
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Postby Halo299 on Fri Mar 24, 2006 7:55 am

i crashed.

it happened at about 5:30 this morning. all of a sudden i suddenly felt like i not only needed to sleep, but that i COULD sleep.

so i crawled into the guest room to avoid wakeing my girlfriend up, and in a very few short minutes. i was in a deep deep sleep.

but now i have got to try and get my patern back on track, which means i have got to find some way of staying awake till tonight when i would normaly got to bed.

this sucks

if it isn't one thing it is another.

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Postby Chiropteran on Fri Mar 24, 2006 8:56 am

Glad this crisis is over. Here are some things to try to prevent a recurrence:

No caffeine or chocolate after noon.

Set a regular bedtime; be in bed by then and have lights out and have quiet. No music, nothing. Do the same things before bed every night. The things you do as part of your "bedtime ritual" will become cues that it's time to go to sleep.

Get up at a regular time and as soon as you get up, have wake up cues. Open curtains and/or turn on lights. Turn on the TV or radio. Move around.

Stick to that schedule; it will get ingrained.

Some people say only use your bed for sleeping and sex. Some people, however, do read in bed as part of their "bedtime ritual."

I second the meditation. Having taken aikido, you probably know a number of meditations, but here are a couple in case there's one you haven't tried:

Try tensing your toes and then relaxing them. Then your toes and your feet. Then toes, feet, and calves. Etc.

Try listening to the sounds outside of the building, focus on hearing only those. Then listen to the sounds inside the building but outside the room, until you can hear only those. Then listen to the sounds inside the room until you can hear only those. Then listen just to the sounds of your own body.

Breathing works well for me too. In for 5, hold (not tense, just rest that way) for 3, out for 5, hold for 3. You can also do 5-7-5. Always breathe in through the nose if you can (i.e. if it's not horrendously occluded). Inhaling through the mouth will increase your heart rate.

Meditative breathing can be very effective. My mom was having an outpatient surgery (removing a mole from her foot or something) where she was conscious but there was some feature of it that they had to hook her up to this monitoring equipment (regulations that are there for good reasons sometimes have silly results). She hates needles, so a scalpel was totally going to make her nervous, so she did meditative breathing and used the heart monitor for biofeedback. Her heart rate dropped so fast that she set off the "code alarm," which exists to alert doctors that the anaesthesia has caused a patient's heart to slow down too much. (It goes by rate of change of heart rate, not total heart rate)

Why do you not want to use alcohol? You don't have to answer that, just consider it. I know some people who have very good reasons not to use alcohol or other sedatives. If you're not comfortable using alcohol, don't. It's not a particularly good way to get to sleep and if you really knock yourself out, you won't get good sleep, you won't get much sleep, and you'll wake up feeling like hell. You damn sure don't want to make a habit of using alcohol to sleep; that is very bad news.
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Postby Squidflakes on Fri Mar 24, 2006 10:41 am

Since I've mostly given up caffinated drinks during the week, I've found that I'm going to sleep a lot faster when I go to bed.
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Happy to hear you've gotten some sleep...

Postby Gealachtine on Fri Mar 24, 2006 12:35 pm

Chiropteran wrote:No caffeine or chocolate after noon.


It all depends on your schedule. If I didn't have caffeine or chocolate after noon, I'd never have any and that would make for a very cranky Moon. (My name is Irish for Moonfire by the by)

However, my sleep schedule is usually 6am to 1pm. I'm a happy nightstalker, sleeping during the sun hours is my most restful period. I have a hard time sleeping if it's dark out.

As an insomniac who's been there for weeks, even months at a time in the past: The easiest way to get your schedule back - when you are tired, and can - go to bed. Turn off all phones, tell housemates no disturbances, take some melatonin or valerian (mild herbal muscle relaxer) and pass out for as long as your body says so. I used to worry - but what if I wake up at 3 am? (or for me 8am) Usually when I've been awake for that long though - the body takes over and puts me into a deep sleep of about 13+ hours.

If you do wake up at 3am - so? You are completely rested, you can do the work you missed out on by crashing early and by being so revitalized you can stay up till your normal bedtime - by which time you'll be tired enough to sleep.

The main thing I can say which helped me: if it's bedtime, you're a little sleepy but you want to "just finish this one thing" - Don't do it - Go to Bed! When an insomniac pushes past their fatigue, the brain says to the body "Ok, s/he's not going to listen to me. Forget sleep, reboot!" You get that lagtime and then boom! you're fully awake again. If you hit the pillow before the reboot starts, sleep will come much easier.
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Postby Boo Radley on Fri Mar 24, 2006 3:00 pm

This is the good thing about olanzapine. Out like a light, every night.
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Postby Chiropteran on Fri Mar 24, 2006 3:07 pm

Well, yeah, obviously if you're noctournal, it would be a different time, say 10PM, and some people do react differently than others to caffeiene.

However, the official version assumes diurnal schedules. Alter for your own sleep schedule as needed.
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The main thing I can say which helped me: if it's bedtime, you're a little sleepy but you want to "just finish this one thing" - Don't do it - Go to Bed! When an insomniac pushes past their fatigue, the brain says to the body "Ok, s/he's not going to listen to me. Forget sleep, reboot!" You get that lagtime and then boom! you're fully awake again. If you hit the pillow before the reboot starts, sleep will come much easier.


That is so true. I do that a lot, with the result that my sleep schedule is an unholy mess.
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As for valerian, if you keep it in the house, be warned; it is sme-e-e--lly! I put a bottle of valerian capsules in a cabinet once and when I opened the cabinet, the smell nearly knocked me over.

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Valerian is also good for menstrual cramps, though I don't know that that is much help to the OP.
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Postby Gealachtine on Fri Mar 24, 2006 3:47 pm

Boo Radley wrote:This is the good thing about olanzapine. Out like a light, every night.


Yeah, it's also good for massive weight gain. Be careful, I gained about 80lbs before I refused to take it anymore, I gained another 25 before it was out of my system - topping out at 300lbs. Now, 2 years and 130lbs lighter, I want to choke the ever living hell out of the pharmaceutical company who makes that vile shit!
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