Porn makes the panda happy.

[RantinAn]

It would be impossible for humans and chimps to breed with biological success...

*ahem*



*grins*

Oh, and thank you, Ghastly, for the chimp and bonobo clarification post... I had my keyboard all set for <i>Educational Rant of Gentle Retribution</i> mode.

Akane: Believing in evolution is only half the battle... <i>Understanding</i> it is the other half. More Discovery Science Channel documentaries for you. Take notes this time... There will be a test. *wink*

no.. understanding evolution is the ENTIRE battle. Believing in it is the same as believing in creationisim. A stupid idiot dogma that wll put your self into a corner unable to wokr your way out. About 30% of "documentries" or books on evolution are stating things less elogquently then darwin and gould with less scientific evidence. Frankly they're as bad as "creationist science" science doesent require you to believe in it, it requires you to hallenge and prove it. agina nd again and again

Sorry to get on my high horse honor, but one of my peronsal pet peeves of all time is so called scientists who believe in a theory so highly that they do 10% of fuck all of emperical research, and from my lounge room, i can conduct a experiment to disprove their bunkum.
evolunionary science is somehting i'm all in favour of
Believing in evolution.. seriously hell no. The very last thing evolution needs is for you to believe in it. It needs you to challenge it, to prove it, to study it, and then we might even start to find out more about evolutionary mechinisims. As opposed to playing stupid games with chimps.

rantin (yes i'll pull my fangs in now) AN

[Maximuscoolman]

http://www.rotten.com/library/cryptozoology/humanzee/ ) rotten is my best friend.

And to think I typed out allthat from memory, bah.

Want to know how Humans really came to be? Alex Chiu is who you want to ask, man, what is this guy on?

[Mad Irishman]

That humanze stuff was interesting

but I always have one quam with science.

The whole basis of science is that something cant come out of nothing!
"Matter can neither be created or distroyed!"

I am quite willing to believe in a certain amount of evolution, and certainly in deevolution but:

If the universe was created from an inrush of hydrogen destabalizing matter and creating the 'big bang' then where did that hydrogen come from!

If you can't get something from nothing then where did the very first energies used in the creation of the universe come from?

I honestly believe that God must have existed. Even if he exists no longer, he must have existed once.

I also belive that humans are not evolved from apes, or even a prehistoric varient of it. I believe we DE-evolved from angels.
Adam and Eve created perfect as angels. Then everything went to pot when Eve started having sex with apes, and that was the beginning of the human race..............

er!

[The Elite SS]

i feel i must give my comments on all this.

First off: I wonder what would happen if they showed it bondage......

Secondly: You wanna know if chimps and humans can reproduce? You get me the chimp, and we'll find out.

i mean it.


Oh and Mad irishman, on your creation comments: Yeah, god exists. Lots of them do. I dont think they're the ones that created the universe, they came later. oh and while i dont know where all matter originally came from, in theory, black holes move/suck EVERYTHING in. litterally everything, slowly. so if between all the black holes they suck up everything, over the span of an infinite amoount of time, they'll eventually collide, perhaps there is a point, once they are ALL colided, and there is nothing but space and matter packed into golf ball sized gravity wells, once all the gravity wells come together.....perhaps the pressure or some shit makes the black holes not exist and BAM we have matter. Capn.

[Nithos]

The big bang theory isn't ment to describe where the universe came from, it just describes the beginning of space and time. "where did it come from" isn't easy to answer, as at that point, there was no where or when, everywhere was in one place.

And on black holes - At last measurment, everything in the universe is spreading apart too fast for it all to come back together, ever. Most everything may end up in one black hole or another eventually, but those black holes will never come together.

Of course, that's just what we've seen so far - there's a bit of hubris in predicting the future of the universe while sitting on one little dust speck, without ever having been to another little dust speck

And to be a wee bit flippant, if god/gods/an egg created the universe, who created god/gods/an egg? I say bugger it all, where we and everything came from is a useless question, just wait until you die. Either you'll find out in the afterlife, or you won't care in oblivion. There are more pressing matters for science and religion to be dealing with.

[Meteo]

Let us educate ourselves on The Big Bang Theory, The Big Crunch, and The Big Freeze aka The Heat Death of the Universe. Such things are part of The Ultimate Fate of the Universe.

Or, we could just look at porn.

[Mad Irishman]

Oh and Mad irishman, on your creation comments: Yeah, god exists. Lots of them do. I dont think they're the ones that created the universe, they came later. oh and while i dont know where all matter originally came from, in theory, black holes move/suck EVERYTHING in. litterally everything, slowly. so if between all the black holes they suck up everything, over the span of an infinite amoount of time, they'll eventually collide, perhaps there is a point, once they are ALL colided, and there is nothing but space and matter packed into golf ball sized gravity wells, once all the gravity wells come together.....perhaps the pressure or some shit makes the black holes not exist and BAM we have matter. Capn.

Yeah, I think you just reiterated my question. That explains possible REBirth of the universe, but where did the original matter come from.

And the other Gods who came later are actually fallen angels (no not all of them are Satan, and not all of them are evil. They're just not the thing that created the universe!)

According to Norse culture (my pet topic) the creator created the Gods. It was two of these Gods that the human race was spawned from but the 'Gods' created by the 'creator' drifted away from 'Mother flame and Father void (creator) and started getting humans to worship them. I've detailed one of the best Goddesses from earliy Germanic culture
herein a Topic On Burgandy's Forum - "Yay, I'm new!"

I recon she's the most interesting Goddess I've ever encountered!

On a christian base - There is record to support the Idea of Angels fallen into sin and portraying themselves as gods. And when an Angel sins it's always the hottest and sexiest sins possible.

Hence: "Screaming like an angel who has found a reason to sin."

[MrNiceGuy^_^]

Sincewe're air opinions I'll add mine to the mix

Think of this....our sun is our Creator. Evolutionist and creationalists are right. The missing link, between aquatic life and land life doesn't exist. Instead a burst of high energy from the sun caused an evolutionary step to be skipped, because our sun is a god. Our earth is a god as well, and there is a pantheon of lesser gods that walk the earth as various gods, angels, devils etc..

Just something to keep in mind

[Honor]

Believing in evolution.. seriously hell no. The very last thing evolution needs is for you to believe in it.

*blinks*

Goodness, dear. I think the primary problem we're having here is one of semantics. Perhaps I've made my statement inelegantly, ineloquently, or even inaccurately... And perhaps, instead, you're reading far more into the words than they were designed to carry.

While religious faith without definition or evidence is one meaning of the word belief, the state of acceptance of something as true is another... I didn't say, after all, "believing in evolution, blindly and without proof or question, is half the battle." I could be said to believe everything I can scientifically prove to be true, for instance.

Still... Perhaps it's safer overall to treat the whole of the matter with the definition of "believe" that leans closer to chanting and holy water... Perhaps it would be better for me to say "Accepting the possibility of evolution is half the battle..."

I can't claim to have read or viewed anywhere near a sufficient percentage of the books or documentaries on evolution to say with any sense of certainty what percentage of them are of any scientific or intellectual value... However, I can say with unanimity that I have never seen one informed, serious pro-evolution book or documentary produced in the last twenty years that could, even in the most uncharitable light, be called "as bad as creationist science." There is, after all, a world of difference between trying to find an answer but missing on a few points, and closing off any orifice that might admit any stray information, screaming "MY imaginary friend made everything... It says so right here in this book about him!!!!!"

...And you stay up there on that high horse just as long as you like, girlfriend... I've got plenty of altitude to keep us at eye level, I think.

[RantinAn]

Lucky you.... there were some fuck awful ones on SBS on the nature of learning as an evolutionary triat. The pusedo science in the first one was so thick that a group of friends and i got together to tear each of hte other 5 parts appart. Then there's "the future is wild" on discovery which is great science fition, but shouldnt be classified as documentary in any sence.

As for books, any of the crap you dig up at borders on evolution is likely to be pritty wwonky.

On the other hand... our local meuseam has a WONDERFUL set of displays, featuring some origional works of darwin and gould with stuffed and mounted specimens so you can do the comparations with your own eyes. and a whole lot of "junk" fossils you can play with.

Nothing like immersing yourself in science as play

[Tellner]

A couple of good books...

Science on Trial: The Case for Evolution by Douglas J. Futuyma
(Futuyma wrote the standard textbook on evolutionary biology)

Evolutionary Biology by Douglas J. Futuyma
(The standard textbook)

Abusing Science: The Case Against Creationism by Philip Kitcher
(a little dated but still very, very good)

Anything by Ernst Mayr or Steven J. Gould

Mayr is a bit technical for the lay reader. Gould is always interesting - he was a professor not only of biology but the history of science as well

[RantinAn]

actualy i'm talking about John and Elizabeth gould. Rememebr i'm not sayignther;s nothing good out there, ther's a bucket of good books. but there is also a lot of glossy crap.

Inna end, all i'm saying is that as a person who aproches a lot of their life scientifically, I've been subjected to more crapy science over the last couple of yearsthen i'd like to have been. hence i tend to like recomending "orign of the species" and some of it's comtempory works. Frankly, honor picked it exactly right.

[Paul Soth]

Ah yeah, here we go again!
Damn! This is some funky shit that I be laying down on your ass.
This one goes out to all my homey's working in the field of
evolutionary science.
Check it!

Fuck the damn creationists, those bunch of dumb-ass bitches,
every time I think of them my trigger finger itches.
They want to have their bullshit, taught in public class,
Stephen J. Gould should put his foot right up their ass.
Noah and his ark, Adam and his Eve,
straight up fairy stories even children don't believe.
I'm not saying there's no god, that's not for me to say,
all I'm saying is the Earth was not made in a day.

Fuck, fuck, fuck,
fuck the Creationists.

Break it down.
Ah damn, this is a funky jam!
I'm about ready to kick this bitch back in.
Check it.

Fuck the damn creationists I say it with authority,
because kicking their punk asses be me paramount priority.
Them wack-ass bitches say, "evolution's just a theory",
they best step off, them brainless fools, I'll give them cause to fear me.
The cosmos is expanding every second, every day,
but their minds are shrinking as they close their eyes and pray.
They call their bullshit science like the word could give them cred,
if them bitches be scientists then cap me in the head.

Fuck, fuck, fuck,
fuck the Creationists.

Bass!
Bring that shit in!
Ah yeah, that's right, fuck them all motherfuckers.
Fucking punk ass creationists trying to set scientific thought back 400 years.
Fuck that!
If them superstitious motherfuckers want to have that kind of party,
I'm going to put my dick in the mashed potatoes.
Fucking creationists.
Fuck them.

[RantinAn]

*snickers* see that;s exactly the sort of antagonistic attitude that makes creationists more stupidly set in their ways.

[Jackalope]

Unfortunately because of bandwidth issues, they're no longer hosting the mp3s on the site. You have to hear that to truly appreciate it.

[RantinAn]

well email it me then.