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Indigo Violent wrote:
squidflakes wrote:I had some vegitarian tell me that the only people who should eat meat are the ones who can look in to an animal's face and still feel good about slaughtering it.
Why do you have to feel good about it? All kinds of things are unpleasant but necessary.
I was going to say something like that... Thank you. I take no pleasure in killing animals. But, on the other hand, I've argued that voluntary vegetrarians should be legal to hunt as food.
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Indigo Violent wrote:
squidflakes wrote:I had some vegitarian tell me that the only people who should eat meat are the ones who can look in to an animal's face and still feel good about slaughtering it.
Why do you have to feel good about it? All kinds of things are unpleasant but necessary.
Exactly. I have to clean up after the dog when he pees on the floor. It doesn't follow that I have to enjoy it.
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tellner wrote:I have to clean up after the dog when he pees on the floor. It doesn't follow that I have to enjoy it.
tellner also wrote:After the rabbits defoliate your garden and the deer kill your apple saplings they get moved from "cute" to "vermin"
But does that move him in to the vermin category? :D

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Goddessmisca wrote:
Moo Cow wrote:quick, quick! anyone have an easy recipe for stuffing? i'm making some for a thanksgiving potluck this friday... and can't get the ingredients till thursday.

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INGREDIENTS:
1/2 cup finely chopped onions
1/2 cup chopped celery (I LOATH cooked celery but everyone else seems to love it is stuffing)
4oz canned mushrooms, drained
1/3-1/2 cup butter
4 cups bread cubes
2 eggs, beaten
salt / pepper to taste
1/2 teaspoon ground sage
1/4 teaspoon poultry seasoning Or allspice for vegetarian version
turkey or chicken broth, or vegi broth for vegetarian.
PREPARATION:

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Look, I totally agree that we abuse animals on a huge scale and nobody cares. But I love my chicken sandwich too goddamn much to care....I feel bad but that instant gratification calls to me....

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Hehe, i do understand that. I can't go on without my fish... mmm, omega 3s...

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Indigo Violent wrote:
squidflakes wrote:I had some vegitarian tell me that the only people who should eat meat are the ones who can look in to an animal's face and still feel good about slaughtering it.
Why do you have to feel good about it? All kinds of things are unpleasant but necessary.
No idea. I guess this was her end all and be all arugement as to why everyone should be a vegetarian.
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squidflakes wrote:
Indigo Violent wrote:
squidflakes wrote:I had some vegitarian tell me that the only people who should eat meat are the ones who can look in to an animal's face and still feel good about slaughtering it.
Why do you have to feel good about it? All kinds of things are unpleasant but necessary.
No idea. I guess this was her end all and be all arugement as to why everyone should be a vegetarian.
The addition of greater quantities of animal proteins to the diet played a large part in giving our ancestors the extra brain power to develop into more human-like creatures. Evidently removing animal proteins from the diet can have something of an opposite effect. ;-)
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"I'm not a vegetarian because I love animals. I'm a vegetarian because I hate plants."
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were I going to go veg, I'd probably end up doing it for health reasons. So meat wouldnt be out of my diet, it'd just be limited.

Come to think of it, I'd make a crappy vegitarian.
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hmph. My last blood tests came back. I'm not diabetic yet. But the blood sugar is pretty damn high. I've been on George's case about his carbs carbs and carbs style of cooking. Looks like I'll have to be serious about it now. No more pasta or rice with every meal. And if most of this is caused by the prednisone as I suspect it is, going to a low-carb diet will probably fix my blood lipid profile too.

Which combined with my various food allergies means I ain't ever going vegitarian. Too hard to do a high-protein diet when you're allergic to a bunch of plants and you need to rotate the plant proteins to make sure you don't develop any new allergies. Especially if you can't supplement with dairy products. Guess I'll be eating a lot of chicken and veggies. Good thing I actually like spinach and mixed greens.

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Sounds like the gods just want to see you on the South Beach diet...
"It is the difference between the unknown and the unknowable, between science and fantasy - it is a matter of essence. The four points of the compass be logic, knowledge, wisdom and the unknown. Some do bow in that final direction. Others advance upon it. To bow before the one is to lose sight of the three. I may submit to the unknown, but never to the unknowable. The man who bows in that final direction is either a saint or a fool. I have no use for either."

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Aw, i'm sorry Jackalope... but hey, it;s good you can nip potential diabetes in the bud now... hopefully... through healthier cooking. Good luck.

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woo for biochemistry!
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indeed. I<3 biochemistry

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cooking. sigh. i SUCK at cooking. good thing my hubby didn't marry me for my kitchen skills. i have always wanted to learn to cook, because i have a GREAT appreciation for food....i can usually follow a recipe if it doesn't require a lot of "technique" if i'm left alone to concentrate. this is not always a sure thing though...i remember the time i followed a recipe for poppy seed "bread" (it's supposed to be more like a cake) and ended up with something that would have been suitable material for building bricks. :roll:

woot, ramen stuffs. one of the VERY few things i can cook in such a fashion as to render the result even remotely edible.

ramen 1: boil water, add ramen noodle brick, stir till the noodles loosen (i hate overcooked noodles, yuck), drain...stir butter/margarine/whatever oily thing you like, don't look at me! into noodles until coated, sprinkle the flavor packet over everything while stirring well....open a can of tuna, drain, and stir into ramen. eat. usually one pack = one serving, at least around here.

ramen 2: boil water, add 2 ramen noodle bricks, stir till the noodles loosen, drain...open can of condensed cream of chicken soup, add to noodles....open can of mixed vegetables, drain, add to noodles....stir until it's a gloopy mess and eat! you can also add a can of tuna or chicken if you feel the need for meat. will usually serve 2 people, more if they're light eaters.

the only other thing i know how to make without a recipe or by attempting to follow the directions on the box: "samurai" soup! it's called "samurai" after the RHPS quote of "samurai electrician!" because it involves throwing stuff into a pot and using no skills whatsoever. directions: brown about a pound to a pound and a half of meat, generally beef although i've used venison in this and it was tasty...heck, i even used ground turkey once and it was okay. it can be ground meat or stew meat, or you can buy large hunks and chop them yourself, whatever. depending on the meat you use, you can drain it if it's REALLY greasy (i.e., cheap hamburger meat really needs drained, eww) but as it has been stated previously, fat = flavor. next, using a REALLY REALLY BIG pot, put in your browned meat and:
2 - 3 cans of whole peeled tomatoes (squish 'em as they go in, use your hands if it doesn't squick ya, otherwise you can use a utensil)
2 - 3 cans EACH of your fave veggies, i usually use corn, green beans, and a couple of the big fat cans of "thick-cut" mixed veggies...or you can use a couple of bags of frozen stew veggies, or what have you....basically, you're looking at a LOT OF VEG HERE! oh, and pour it all straight in....don't drain any of it, you're gonna want the liquid anyhow, and why waste the vitamins?
4 cans condensed vegetarian vegetable soup....gotta have the alphabet pasta, hehehe
add herbs and spices to your own personal taste....i generally use something on the order of a screaming buttload of garlic powder, some seasoned salt, a good bit of pepper, and sometimes some onion flakes (depends on if i'm using mixed veggies that have onions in 'em or not - i HATE onions, i only use 'em for a little flavor). i will often add these things at several points during the process, some on the meat, some in the soup, it all depends.
at this point your big-ass pot should be almost full of soup...probably with more liquid than it looks like there should be....no biggie, because a goodly amount of liquid will cook out in the next 30 minutes to an hour. this is also dependent on personal taste, some like their soup "soupy" while others like a thicker stew-y kind of soup. you pick. you should heat this potful of yummy until it's sort of bubbling, i don't know if it's actually boiling or not, but bubbles are going "bloop!" at the surface when it's been cooked enough. i usually let it cool for about 5 minutes before i try to eat it (with lots and lots of crackers), but that's just me. ta-da! it's soup.

hopefully i haven't horrified any real cooks out there with my ham-handed kitchen molestations. :o
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hopefully i haven't horrified any real cooks out there with my ham-handed kitchen molestations.
Heh, its better then I can do, thats for sure
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