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Nightingale wrote:Although sodomy law varies around the world, in the U.S., sodomy by law is three main things: oral sex, anal sex, or bestiality. (Don't ask me why bestiality falls under sodomy, I just do the research.)
the only thing all three of them have in common that i can see is "penis going where jesus didn't intend it to go"*.
however, it makes me wonder if this is why all the religious fuckbags keep trying to equate homosexuality with bestiality...


*for the moment, we will ignore female sexuality, especially since when these laws were passed, it was still seen as a myth.

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Bestiality is legal where I live actually....Not that I fancied trying something that odd, animals smells rather..iffy :-?

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Nightingale wrote:
jrm wrote:
Nightingale wrote:Although sodomy law varies around the world, in the U.S., sodomy by law is three main things: oral sex, anal sex, or bestiality. (Don't ask me why bestiality falls under sodomy, I just do the research.)
the only thing all three of them have in common that i can see is "penis going where jesus didn't intend it to go"*.
however, it makes me wonder if this is why all the religious fuckbags keep trying to equate homosexuality with bestiality...


*for the moment, we will ignore female sexuality, especially since when these laws were passed, it was still seen as a myth.
I'm more offended by the continuing belief that pedophillia = homosexuality, and vice versa.
oh that irks me quite a bit.
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Never Ever Ever under ANy circumstances Aloow yourself to be video taped performing a sexual act of Any kind.


doing so will ruin any chance you have of ever having a decent job, running for public office, or advancing scholastically beyond a certain level.


If you want to do anything that would ever put your name in the paper, Dont allow someone to record you boning. That's just the way it is.

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wraithguard starcaller wrote:Never Ever Ever under ANy circumstances Aloow yourself to be video taped performing a sexual act of Any kind.


doing so will ruin any chance you have of ever having a decent job, running for public office, or advancing scholastically beyond a certain level.


If you want to do anything that would ever put your name in the paper, Dont allow someone to record you boning. That's just the way it is.
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Nightingale wrote:I'm more offended by the continuing belief that pedophillia = homosexuality, and vice versa.
People believe that? I mean I know they've been associated in various ways over the years, but are you saying some people actually don't know the difference? :o

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ManaUser wrote:
Nightingale wrote:I'm more offended by the continuing belief that pedophillia = homosexuality, and vice versa.
People believe that? I mean I know they've been associated in various ways over the years, but are you saying some people actually don't know the difference? :o
I've actually never come across that... Well I guess I've come across the whole "priests like little boys" thing but thats not really a general statement that pedophiles only dig their own sex, and homosexuals dig younguns.
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i think it's more of an "all squares are rectangles, but not all rectangles are squares" kind of statement.


All pedophiles are homosexual, but not all homosexuals are pedophiles is what they think.

Hell, i only know the difference because i came THIS close to being a pedophile.



Pedophiles are attracted to innocence and simpler life. Probably because they never grew up. Dreamers skirt teh edges of what leads to pedophilia every day.


at least, that's what nearly got me.

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wraithguard starcaller wrote:All pedophiles are homosexual
That's not true either.

Wow, I guess people really are more confused about this than I thought.

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Homo=pedo is nothing but rightwing propaganda.

Some study came out in the 1990's that claimed a high percentage of child molestation cases were homosexual. (man on boy). Problem was; a higher percentage of otherwise STRAIGHT men are pedophiles, than the percentage of gay men being pedophiles. IOW - gays are LESS likely to be pedophiles. (let's not even get into the "self-loathing" types).

Anyway - when this study came out, it was all over the "news" in the US (gotta use quotes) about how rampant homosexuality was encouraging more child molestation, and that gays were starting to demand the right to marry, and the right to adopt, and they were going to raise their kids to be gay, and especially, molest their adopted sons, and it was all going to be a sex-slavery scam for perverted homos, and soon, gay couples were going to move in next door to you, in your neighborhood, and you were going to be forced to explain to your kids why two men are walking down the street holding hands and pushing a baby carriage, and that yes; homosexuality was a normal, acceptable "lifestyle choice" - which meant that your kids would be likely to be converted, and then you'd have no grandchildren, except some mongrel black baby they adopted.

Okay, maybe that's exaggerating, or maybe it's a composite from several different rightwing radio talkers (Rush Limbaugh, Lars Larson, Mike (Weener) Savage).

Anyway, 60 million Americans voted for George Bush in 2004, because they were convinced he was going to help congress pass an amendment to ban gay marriage.

Suckers.

back on-topic; yeah, it's a travesty, and this guy should not be in jail. I believe the age of consent of 18 is too high, should be 16 - anyone who thinks it should be 18 does not remember being 16, or is living a lie. - but for a 15 and a 17 year old to be horning around like that - maybe a slap on the wrist, some community service, but 10 years and the Scarlet "SO"? Absolutely fascist.

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.....what does that have to do with fascism??????

There preacher that marches around my campus has often said that there is no difference between homosexuals and pedophiles....and he wasn't referring to the magnitude of the sin.

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ManaUser wrote:
wraithguard starcaller wrote:All pedophiles are homosexual
That's not true either.

Wow, I guess people really are more confused about this than I thought.
What Wraithguard really said was "All pedophiles are homosexual, but not all homosexuals are pedophiles is what they think. "

He wasn't stating that all homosexuals are pedophiles, he was just making a statement about what (some, I'd assume) people he has come across believe.

And the "all pedophiles are homosexuals" thing was a part of what Nightingale orignally said was it not?
Nightingale wrote:I'm more offended by the continuing belief that pedophillia = homosexuality, and vice versa.
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awkwardschoolgirl wrote:What Wraithguard really said was "All pedophiles are homosexual, but not all homosexuals are pedophiles is what they think."
Ah, thanks for pointing out those four important words. I was a little confused by that post.

My amended reply then, is that I have a hard time understanding how anyone could believe that either. It seems so obviously wrong on the face of it. Maybe even more obviously wrong than the reverse. (Assuming one doesn't actually know any gay people of course.) But again and again people's stupidity has surpassed my expectations.

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Nightingale wrote:Although sodomy law varies around the world, in the U.S., sodomy by law is three main things: oral sex, anal sex, or bestiality. (Don't ask me why bestiality falls under sodomy, I just do the research.)
That's correct. Sodomy is defined as sexual contact with any orifice not intended for procreation -- the mouth, the anus, the dog.


I used that line in a speech on sodomy laws in middle school. Made damned sure people would remember what I was talking about. :twisted:

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as i recall, there were some people in Oregon who did a -really- dodgy survey to gather rigged statistical data so they could supposedly 'prove' that anyone with even the slightest inkling of anythign other than purest heterosexual intent was also a hair's breadth from braking into your home, raping you, the kids, the dog, the refrigerator, etc. (questions like: "would you prefer to eat someone's feces, or suffer execution by woodchipper?" "golden shower or mauled by a pack of rabid pit bulls?" that sort of thing) and they then took their neat little powerpoint presentations around PTA meetings to say "this is why you should vote in favor of a constitutional amendment to ban gay marriage".

i heard about it during my year at UC Behind Levitz, at a meeting of the 'creative expression' club where there was a proposal to send the ringleader's photo around to anyone we knew so that wherever he went, there'd be a decent chance of someone prepared to beat the shit out of him.
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fnyunj wrote:Homo=pedo is nothing but rightwing propaganda.
In as long as we are clarifying what sodomy, pedophilia, and other sexual terms are, I would like to point out the difference between political right and religious right. There is a large difference. The two sides do not always agree, either.

Frank Zappa considered himself to be on the political right, for instance. The libertarians also fall to the right, overall. It's very doubtful that either Frank or the (L)s would want to see anyone go to jail for getting head.

Left doesn't automatically mean gay friendly, either. Many states, red and blue, had gay marriage issues on their ballots in 2004. Both red and blue states banned gay marriages in overwhelming numbers.

Even America's religious folk are divided on many sexual issues. Without posting any direct links, a Google search for "Christian sex toys" will yield results. The store I won't link to even justifies its existence with quotes from the Bible.

We can't entirely tie religion to right-leaning politics either. There seem to be a Hillary, a Gore and a Lieberman for every Santorum. A Byrd for every Duke.

"Right wing" is way too broad to focus directly on the problem. Even "religious" or "Christian" isn't narrow enough. Pinpointing the specific cultures, sects, or subcultures of people whose mentality brought these laws into being will absolutely be more difficult. It will also be far more beneficial to your cause.

"Homo=pedo" is a mantra for people who lack any knowledge of the subject and are reacting with feelings instead of fact. It is vital not to make the same mistake when dealing with this mentality.

The southern stretch of the Bible Belt does have some pretty backward laws. This seems to be more of a cultural matter than a simple case of God or political leanings, though.

Hopefully this kid will get out. If memory serves, the law is supposed to err in favor of the accused when the severity of a crime is lessened like this.

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StarDrifter wrote:The store I won't link to even justifies its existence with quotes from the Bible.
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StarDrifter wrote: In as long as we are clarifying what sodomy, pedophilia, and other sexual terms are, I would like to point out the difference between political right and religious right. There is a large difference. The two sides do not always agree, either.
Well, if you want to go there;
The terms "right" and "left" as political labels are really only useful to people who are trying to obfuscate the real issues - and as such, a lot of people have lined up on one side or another, simply because of the label.

The pro-Corporate faction of the current coalition labeled (in the USA) as "Right" - and the pro-Theocracy faction, are actually diametrically opposed to eachother. At least in terms of what they believe in. They have united against a "common enemy" and that is what they perceive to be a Socialist/Atheist/Humanist bloc. (which is pure fantasy - at least in the USA).

There is some synergy in a Corporate/Theocratic alliance, in that both thrive on a population that remains docile, ignorant, weak, poor, and reproduces at an astounding rate. The more workers, the looser the labor market, the lower the Corporate cost of doing business (as long as there is a wealthy market to sell TO somewhere). But when a Corporatist like Richard Cheney (US Vice President) was cornered about his lesbian daughter having a baby with her partner, during an interview with Wolf Blitzer, he got all belligerent. You see, because he does not really believe in the religious claptrap that his daughter is going to hell. He sees the Christianists as a useful ally, to be used, and tricked. And they fall for it because they're gullible. And the corporatists are equally gullible, because they worship at the Altar of the Cult of the Invisible Hand.

If pro-Theocracy folks were to be intellectually honest about their belief system (that of American Exceptionalism - we are blessed by God because we, as a nation, are so Righteous, and therefore by virtue of this blessing, prosperous) - then they'd embrace some of the old levitical laws, like laws prohibiting Usury. (in fact, I believe Muslim countries mostly prohibit usury - defined as lending money for interest). If we were to do that, in the USA, there would certainly be a great damper on economic activity. The pro-Corporate faction would not like that. So, while the pro-Theocracy faction likes to dig out obscure passages attempting to get legislative support for things like Abortion Bans, and Gay Marriage Bans, they act stupid when it comes to Shrimp Eating Bans, and Blended Fabric Bans.

And if the pro-Corporation folks were to be intellectually honest about Free Markets, they'd do away with; well, um, Corporate Charters (as a government-granted legal fiction), Patents, Copyrights, using public roads, subsidies, public law enforcement, public education of their workforce, etc. But you see, the milk coming out of that government teat is just too sweet. They won't let it go. They'll talk about the evils of regulation, and market interference. But make no mistake, their worship at the Altar of the Cult of the Invisible Hand is also insincere.

Now - from a certain point of view, both Corporate Welfare, AND Theocratic-based law, are forms of Socialism. Only in Corporatism, a certain class of people is defined as eligible for benefitting from government spending (ie. special tax breaks, special access to lawmakers, wars, contracting, etc). This is a Socialist system, where the citizens and beneficiaries are the Corporations. Same with Theocratic-based law. Only you have to think of Churches as kind of Corporations. Their income is tax-exempt. Yet, tax money is spent on their recruiting efforts (through municipal religious displays, yes - I have no problem with that, but also through the public charity funding, and if they get their way, with public education vouchers).

All forms of Socialism (classical, corporatist, and theocratic) require the government to have power over individuals. To the degree that individual behavior is regulated (via taxation, patent and copyright, and codified religious law).

The opposite of these forms of Socialism, can be referred to as Libertarianism. Though I refuse to accept that there is a meaningful definition for that word. But in general, it's the desire for individual Liberty. That's not so bad. Rights to free speech. Rights to free exercise (or lack thereof) of religion. Rights to a fair trial. Rights to privacy. Hardcore Libertarians are not at all Rightwing. They are branded rightwing, because they have, since about the mid-1990's generally allied themselves with the Republican Party. And as the Christianists have been appalled at all the sex scandals and fraud and bribery and corruption of the Republicans of the last 7 years, the Libertarians are appalled at the SPENDING. They don't believe in taxes at all. And by borrowing money, Bush is just deferring taxes to the next generation (and hiding behind the same BS "laffer curve" garbage that Reagan hid behind - and demonstrated its illegitimacy, by the way).

An extreme form of Libertarianism (by my definition) is Anarchy. The moderate form is the Constitutional Democratic Republic. The opposite is, well, examples would be any Monarchy, Stalinism, Naziism, and what America seems to be headed towards. We could be all Stephen Covey and lay the Left/Right dichotomy on top of this Libertarian/Authoritarian dichotomy, and make a quadrant-based system. And this is what a lot of political scientists do.

But thinking in terms of Libertarian/Authoritarian does not make anybody any money. Libertarianism may generate wealth, but Authoritarianism concentrates it. And concentrated wealth is what attracts opportunists who like to call themselves "politicians". Who work to get ahold of power, so they can broker it to the monied interests. So it's in their interest to push aside arguments based on whether someone has the right to know what porn I like to mastrubate to, and prosecute me as a criminal for it, and bring forth arguments about whether I'm hurting society in some way by my private behavior. It's a compelling argument, and a profitable one. So they create this false dichotomy of Left and Right. Then they sell power to one side, then the other. Just as America, the world's biggest arms dealer, sells weapons to one side, then another, then meddles enough to trigger conflict, and thus a demand for these products. (and of course, the American Taxpayer can just as easily get scammed too).

Now - the funny part is how the "Right" tries to accuse the "Left" of being pro terrorist because we oppose the war. I've never met an American Liberal who thought it would be a great idea if we adopted Sharia in Western Culture. You know, ban alcohol, ban porn, put women in bhurkas, and lock them in the kitchen. It's an absurd idea. But you hear this crap all the time, and the reason it has any legs at all, is because it plays to this bullshit "left vs right" false dilemma.

So when I talk about "rightwing" propaganda - I'm talking about the self-identified bloc that has been classically aligned in this country on and off for about the last 40-50 years (since McCarthy, but also during Hoover's reign, so maybe even longer). I realize there's a faction in there that is Fiscally Conservative and Socially Liberal. And I realize that right now, in history, the Libertarian faction and the Christianist faction are trying to distance themselves from the Republican party. They'll be back. Every once in a while, the Libertarians flirt with the Left (until someone on the Left mentions Single Payer Health Care, or video-game violence). Sometimes the Libertarians find a politician that speaks to them (like Ross Perot - who ran on "Fiscal Conservative, Socially Liberal"). But the Corporatist siren song of "deregulation" and "flat tax" always calls them back home like the siren's song. The Christianists will be back too. They've got nowhere else to go. Give them a year or two to forget about Mark Foley. They'll dangle an Abortion Ban or Flag Burning Ban in front of their noses, and they'll be back.

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Star Drifter wrote:The store I won't link to even justifies its existence with quotes from the Bible.
[sidenote] I love the way that they use the term "erection enhancer" instead of "cock ring" [/sidenote]
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