Who wants more comic pages per week?

Postby Rahn on Thu Jan 10, 2002 3:05 am

Hmm, I guess I wouldn't mind two B&W comics a week as opposed to one color a week.<P>I personnally think you should stick with the color. I've been running my webcomic in color for about two months now (one more month before it gets tedious supposedly, hehe), and it will get easier and faster as time goes by. Currently coloring for me is little more than paint-bucketing everything <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspace.com/forums/wink.gif"><P>Though really it should be up to you. You should have fun doing the strip. Comics don't last very long if the author doesn't have fun doing em.
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Postby Lordgeejay on Thu Jan 10, 2002 6:11 am

Hi dear readers!<P>Chris (Gillikin) suggested that I go back to black and white if that would help me do 2 comics per week instead of one. That got me thinking...<P>I also think that the story is moving a bit slow but I really cannot spare any more free time to do more than one page (full-colored) per week. But if I scale down the effort I put into each page, I may be able to crank out more pages on Sundays and release them at two days (maybe even three but don't count on it) in a week.<P>The question I want to pose to you readers is this: Are you willing that I sacrifice a bit in terms of comic quality for more pages per week to get the story rolling faster?<P>What do I mean by lesser quality? Well, I may go back to the old pencil shading thing I did before but I think it is far easier for me to just shade it in the PC instead using Photoshop. So that means a lesser quality comic will be in grayscale, CGI shaded in cel-type style (like what I'm doing now).<P>What do you guys think?
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Postby Lordgeejay on Thu Jan 10, 2002 6:22 am

Another alternative I had while I was thinking of ways to speed up the comic production is to do half crosswise pages (ala Makeshift Miracle). <P>I know it is just like dividing a page into two and passing it off as 2x/week sched. It is, in a way, but at the same time it isn't.<P>The same story I can fit in one real page, I can probably fit into a crosswise half page. The difference here is that if I do the same layout I did for that half page and do that two times to make one whole page, it won't look very pretty layout-wise. But as a stand-alone crosswise half page, it will look okay. Also, it will still be faster for me because I'll have to draw less miscellaneous filler stuff.<P>But for those who are hoping for a compiled and published Lovarian Adventures book someday, 2 crosswise half-pages should fit in one book page so this change shouldn't be a problem.<P>What do you guys think?
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Postby Gillikin on Thu Jan 10, 2002 9:02 am

Geejay,<P>This is my suggestion, take it as you will. <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspace.com/forums/wink.gif"> I would keep the color look for the rest of the chapter, to at least keep some sort of constancy. <P>If at the end of the chapter, you are doing the coloring much faster, and are able to do two pages a week which are colored, then by all means, keep coloring. <P>If, on the other hand, you're still up at three am trying to color just one page at the end of the chapter, then I would think about moving back to black and white for two times a week. <P>There is a third possibility, one utilized by many artists, which the good p0nju mentioned in passing- get yourself a colorist. Draw two pages a week, and scan them in, clean them up, and send them along a day or two before you post them. Draw on Sunday, and post new comics on Tuesday and Friday, like you used to. Problem is in finding a colorist that would do this for you, on a weekly basis, for nothing but the joy of helping someone. Don't even think about asking me - you want a good coloring job, and someone with a tablet. <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspace.com/forums/tongue.gif"><P>Hope my opinion helps you out, a bit. ^_^
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Postby POnju on Thu Jan 10, 2002 9:03 am

I say try to keep it as consistent as possible. <P>I wouldn't mind more frequent black and white Lovarian Adventures, personally. <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspace.com/forums/smile.gif"><P>Frankly besides this one, which I've enjoyed immensely, I don't know of any full-color full-page comics that don't have some sort of catch - like either there are two people working on the comic, or the creator relies solely on the webcomic for his or her livelihood, or the creator is in school.<P>Do you feel like you are able to color them much faster now that you've done a few in color?<P>I don't like the half crosswise idea because of the way it would affect the layout and composition of the pages. If you feel the absolute need to update something maybe design sketches or the page in progress might be better. <P>------------------
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Postby Lordgeejay on Fri Jan 11, 2002 5:17 am

Hi guys.<P>Whew. Three long responses to reply to. I'll just reply to all those posts here okay?<P>First, I agree with Henry (p0nju) about the crosswise half pages. It was just an idea that suddenly popped in my head but a change in format may be too drastic a move.<P>Next, you guys are okay with a b/w comic that is updated 2x a week but colored is preferrable. I like Chris's (Gillikin's) idea about finishing Chapter 3 in color as normal for the time being just to see if I'll get the hang of doing it. Personally, I'm hoping I get faster at it as well because I think the story IS moving slowly. I'm afraid that I may get tired of the story myself becuase I'm doing it too slowly. :P<P>As for getting somebody to color the comic, my friend Chad (creator of the now-on-hiatus webcomic TrueMagick) was volunteering a while back to color somebody else's webcomics just for kicks. I don't know if the offer still stands though because Eunice (creator of Teen Angel and Ghost Hunters) got to him first. <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspace.com/forums/wink.gif"> I'll go check if he is still ok with it. I may also ask my brother who is also a very good artist. He may want the exposure after all. We'll see.<P>Ultimately, I should really devote time to doing the comics. If I really sit down and focused on it, I bet I can do a lot. But the environment I'm in is sort of a factor here. I don't have a proper drawing table and so all my reference stuff is on the floor. Back aches after a while. So I tend to give myself a lot of breaks. I also turn on the dvd and running movies that will inspire me but end up watching them most of the time. I have to stop that habit starting today.<P>So if I get focused, we may not even need to resort to the b/w version just to go 2x/week. Time will tell.<P>If you guys have other suggestions just chime in. But I still want to know from the others if going back to black and white is an okay compromise.<P>------------------
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Postby Gordon on Fri Jan 11, 2002 7:57 am

Geejay,<P>Personally, I prefer the color, even if it means less frequent comics. The color ones you have done so far have been fantasticly good looking. <P>Ultimatley however, you are the artist and you are the one who has to suffer the consequences for doing a tehnically more challenging strip. I really like strong plot, which you have in spades, so I'll continue to read even if you go to stick figures! (OK, maybe thats a <i>slight</i> exaggeration) <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspace.com/forums/wink.gif"> <P>So, even though I prefer color, I'd rather see you go to B/W rather than get burned out trying to keep up with a color strip if that is what is happening.
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Postby CoyoteJack on Fri Jan 11, 2002 8:01 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by lordgeejay:
<B>Hi guys.<P>Whew. Three long responses to reply to. I'll just reply to all those posts here okay?
</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P><snip><P> <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by lordgeejay:
<B>If you guys have other suggestions just chime in. But I still want to know from the others if going back to black and white is an okay compromise.
</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Geejay, you're the man. You're the Artist and gotta make the final decision. About 20 or so years back, my ex and I used to airbrush t-shirts at Cons and (since we were being paid for our efforts) decided to be "customer-driven". If someone wanted a t-shirt with a purple & orange dragon (and that wasn't the strangest request either...), then that's what we gave him.<P>Most of the comics I read are b/w except for the Sunday strip. As pOnju remarked, the daily color strips (e.g. Keven & Kell) are generally colored by some one else, and even some of the Sunday strips (Sluggy Freelance) have someone else color them.<P>I've also seen some very good comics done in the pencil style: draw them in pencil, scan them and run up the contrast in Photoshop. Winter (drawn by Hot Soup) and Dedos the elf (I think that's the name of the strip. I dropped it several months back when it looked as if it was on indefinate hiatus).<P>So. My personal opinion is to go for 1 or more weekday black & white strips and then a color one on Sunday.<P>And to make things interesting, how about a contest: Put up a b/w strip or drawing - blue pencil drawing or what have you - ask all of us fanboys/girls to post a colored version and then let us vote on the the best colorist, eh?<P>Jake
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Postby NotoriousMEQ on Fri Jan 11, 2002 8:34 am

Well, i'd have to suggest the way i do it, because as much as i love color pages, it's not possible to do all the time. Color takes so much longer ^^;; and requires more dilligence because it's obvious then when i mess up. But doing a color page whenever the page screams "COLOR ME!" would be my reccomendation. And i kinda like black and white.<P>As for the long width pages... heh, I love that idea. I've considered switching to it for ETR, but consistency seems more important than wanting to dabble with a web-centric comic layout.<P>But next comic i do.. ^^<P>So i'd suggest keeping up the production so you stay happy with your story and not worrying about color unless you need it. The first color page (the crowd scene) blew mymind, and the first page of flames was wonderful, but once you've given the color effect the reader can still keep that with them in their mind when they see a new page. And you don't have to work so hard.<P>------------------
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Postby Gwennafran on Sat Jan 12, 2002 5:41 am

Hehe, my first post in this forum. But it's for a good cause.
I wouldn't mind you going back to black and white. I like that. Not that colours are bad, but if black and white means more pages, that's definately what I would put my vote on. ^_~<P> Gwennafran
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Postby Highlander on Sun Jan 13, 2002 3:00 am

i would not mind at all if you went back to black and white if it ment that we could see more of the story line unfold before us more often =) <P>------------------
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Postby Lordgeejay on Sun Jan 13, 2002 3:38 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by gordon:
<B>Geejay,
Personally, I prefer the color, even if it means less frequent comics. The color ones you have done so far have been fantasticly good looking.
</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Oooh... A different opinion. <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspace.com/forums/smile.gif"> Even though it is tiring, I think I prefer colored pages though. So here is what I'll <I>try</I> to do in the meantime... Stick with the coloring (although I'd be trying to cut corners in doing so) and will try to get 3 extra pages in advance. If I can do that, then I can probably go twice a week again while retaining the colors.<P> <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR><B>
Ultimatley however, you are the artist and you are the one who has to suffer the consequences for doing a tehnically more challenging strip. I really like strong plot, which you have in spades, so I'll continue to read even if you go to stick figures! (OK, maybe thats a <I>slight</I> exaggeration) <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspace.com/forums/wink.gif">
</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Thanks for the compliments. I hope I don't burn out. If ever I do burn out though, then you guys won't really have much of a choice than to get b/w comic pages then. <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspace.com/forums/wink.gif"><P> <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR><B>
So, even though I prefer color, I'd rather see you go to B/W rather than get burned out trying to keep up with a color strip if that is what is happening. </B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Yeah. I'll just try doing twice as many colored strips for now though to see if I can actually do it. <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspace.com/forums/smile.gif"><P><P>------------------
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Postby Lordgeejay on Sun Jan 13, 2002 3:48 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by CoyoteJack:
<B>So. My personal opinion is to go for 1 or more weekday black & white strips and then a color one on Sunday.
</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Hi Jake. THanks for the suggestions (including the ones I didn't quote). A b/w comic and a color sunday one. Hmmm... Interesting. I'll have to think about it.<P> <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR><B>
And to make things interesting, how about a contest: Put up a b/w strip or drawing - blue pencil drawing or what have you - ask all of us fanboys/girls to post a colored version and then let us vote on the the best colorist, eh?
</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>A contest? Hmmm... That seems like a very interesting idea! I'll have to prepare for it first though. <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspace.com/forums/biggrin.gif"> Thanks.<P>------------------
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Postby Lordgeejay on Sun Jan 13, 2002 3:57 am

Yay! Meaghan posted! <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspace.com/forums/smile.gif"><P> <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by NotoriousMEQ:
<B>Well, i'd have to suggest the way i do it, because as much as i love color pages, it's not possible to do all the time. Color takes so much longer ^^;; and requires more dilligence because it's obvious then when i mess up. But doing a color page whenever the page screams "COLOR ME!" would be my reccomendation. And i kinda like black and white.
</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>I dunno. I think that when I color a page, I can actually get away with a lot of drawing errors. <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspace.com/forums/wink.gif"> That's me anyway. <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspace.com/forums/smile.gif"><P> <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR><B>
As for the long width pages... heh, I love that idea. I've considered switching to it for ETR, but consistency seems more important than wanting to dabble with a web-centric comic layout.
</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Yeah. I first read about it reading Scott McLeod's (sp?) book. Lovarian Adventures was originally supposed to be a long width paged comic strip like Makeshift Miracle and Circle Weave but I wanted to practice layouting comic book formatted pages, so there. <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspace.com/forums/wink.gif"><P> <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR><B>
But next comic i do.. ^^
</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>You are going to do a long width comic page on your next strip? Ooooh.<P> <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR><B>
The first color page (the crowd scene) blew mymind, and the first page of flames was wonderful, but once you've given the color effect the reader can still keep that with them in their mind when they see a new page. And you don't have to work so hard.
</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Thanks for the compliments and advice. <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspace.com/forums/smile.gif"><P><P>------------------
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Postby Lordgeejay on Sun Jan 13, 2002 4:00 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Gwennafran:
<B> Hehe, my first post in this forum. But it's for a good cause.
</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Hi Gwennafran! Can I call you Gwen? <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspace.com/forums/wink.gif"> Welcome to the forums!<P> <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR><B>
I wouldn't mind you going back to black and white. I like that. Not that colours are bad, but if black and white means more pages, that's definately what I would put my vote on. ^_~
</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Okay. Another vote for the black-and-white-if-it-means-more-pages option. <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspace.com/forums/biggrin.gif"> Thanks for your feedback.<P>------------------
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Postby Lordgeejay on Sun Jan 13, 2002 4:02 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by pOnju:
<B>Oh, CoyoteJack - check back on Dedos in a few weeks. <P>The creator is actually in the process of purchasing and moving into a new home, hence the current state of his webcomic. He does have all intentions of bringing it back up to speed once he's all settled in! <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspace.com/forums/smile.gif"><P></B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>I hope Chris (Dedos) has settled in by then. <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspace.com/forums/smile.gif"> From what I hear, the house is great. Makes me think about moving as well.<P>------------------
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Postby Lordgeejay on Sun Jan 13, 2002 4:03 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Highlander:
<B>i would not mind at all if you went back to black and white if it ment that we could see more of the story line unfold before us more often =)
</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Noted Highlander. <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspace.com/forums/smile.gif"> Thanks for the feedback man.<P><P>------------------
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Postby POnju on Sun Jan 13, 2002 12:22 pm

Oh, CoyoteJack - check back on Dedos in a few weeks. <P>The creator is actually in the process of purchasing and moving into a new home, hence the current state of his webcomic. He does have all intentions of bringing it back up to speed once he's all settled in! <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspace.com/forums/smile.gif"><P>------------------
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Postby KabochaN on Mon Jan 14, 2002 1:59 am

One of the other comics I follow has updates more than once a week, mostly black and white, but once in a while, they post in color. Like, every Sunday is a color page.<P>I really thought it was neat when you started to do them in full color! But it also looked cool with some of the other styles you'd been trying out. I particularly liked the penned outlines with pencil coloring. It gives me a better idea of how your art works (and how I can improve my own).<P>I think that if you keep the color going (as often as you are able.. don't push so hard that you get discourage) for a while so we readers can get a feel for the characters' coloring, then if you switch to b/w except on special occasions (or whatnot), we'll be okay with that.
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Postby Lordgeejay on Mon Jan 14, 2002 7:47 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by NotoriousMEQ:
<B>I have to admit, every new color page you do wins me over to the color idea more and more. I pesoanlly prefer b&w because it takes me maybe 10 to 20 minutes to color a b&w page, no matter how complicated it is, rather than the 30 to an hour it takes me for color.
</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Hehehehe. Come! Let's do all color comics. <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspace.com/forums/wink.gif"> But wait... it only takes you an hour maximum to do a comic in color!? Whoa! I wish I can be as fast as you are.<P> <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR><B>
But i AM planning another comic other than ETR that's much more a fantasy mythic comic. </B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Fantasy comic? Yes! More fantasy comics!<P> <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR><B>
Not only am i going to use wide lenght pages, but they're going to be both b&w and color. It'll be much more experimental, with objects in focus in color and backgrounds in monocolor or greyscale. But this is a few months in the future. ^^;; I'm still working on character designs!
</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Good luck with that. I wanna see it. I still have to read Karn's archive. Sigh. Not much free time. Speaking of character designs, maybe I should do that too. And I mean one page just filled with the character's faces at different angles and expressions. <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspace.com/forums/smile.gif"><P>------------------
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